Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-12 Thread Otto Stolz
Am 10. September 2015 um 20:04 h schrieb Peter Constable: […] creating a Web page containing (say) some Latin characters - not obscure, […] to use (say) Notepad and entering HTML numeric character references; and that my findings were that it worked. Q1: Would you find that to be an interest

Re: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Sarasvati
Good morning everyone! This topic has probably now received enough attention, and thank you to all who have contributed. Let us please move along to something else. Everyone should now point their web browsers at the list policies and guidelines to refresh themselves: http://unicode.org/policies/

Re: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Daniel Bünzli
Le vendredi, 11 septembre 2015 à 18:37, Mark Davis ☕️ a écrit : > BTW, the only way I see anything from Overington is when a message is quoted > by someone else, since I long ago filtered those out of my email inbox. When I read this message [1] (which I disagree with but that's another issue) I

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:36:58 + Peter Constable wrote: > I did not intend to create a disturbance. Nor did I intend to do > anything that might possibly be perceived as seeking action from the > list administrator. (I mention that since Sarasvati was invoked.) > But it seem like my approach m

RE: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Peter Constable
I did not intend to create a disturbance. Nor did I intend to do anything that might possibly be perceived as seeking action from the list administrator. (I mention that since Sarasvati was invoked.) And I certainly was not intending in any way to bring up moratoria that may have been declared o

RE: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Doug Ewell
Rick McGowan wrote: > In section 1.1, page 3: > > *Note, however, that the Unicode Standard does not encode > idiosyncratic, personal, novel, or private-use characters, nor does it > encode logos or graphics.* Is there a statement anywhere about entities that aren't characters in any sense, othe

RE: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Peter Constable
Doug Ewell Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:11 AM To: Mark Davis ☕️ Cc: Unicode Mailing List Subject: RE: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll Mark Davis 🍗 wrote: > I suggest that you create a proposal for the UTC so that it can go on > record; I suspect it will get a favorable recepti

RE: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Doug Ewell
Mark Davis 🍗 wrote: > I suggest that you create a proposal for the UTC so that it can go on > record; I suspect it will get a favorable reception. I assume this was not meant for me personally. I have no authority to speak for UTC. The closest I ever got to that was when I got UTN #14 published.

Re: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Rick McGowan
Doug, et al -- The primordial statement you're looking for is in TUS, Chapter 1 and has been there forever. See: http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode8.0.0/ch01.pdf In section 1.1, page 3: *Note, however, that the Unicode Standard does not encode idiosyncratic, personal, novel, or private

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Sarasvati
Greetings to all: Mr Wordingham wondered, > So, what has become of Sarasvati? > She hasn't scolded list participants for a long time. Most list participants continue to behave in a civil manner that doesn't require much scolding. Although sometimes individuals may be escorted to the woodshed whe

Re: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Mark Davis ☕️
BTW, the only way I see anything from Overington is when a message is quoted by someone else, since I long ago filtered those out of my email inbox. Mark *— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —* On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote: > I suggest that

Re: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Mark Davis ☕️
I suggest that you create a proposal for the UTC so that it can go on record; I suspect it will get a favorable reception. Mark *— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —* On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: > William_J_G Overington > wrote: > > > If U

Re: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Doug Ewell
William_J_G Overington wrote: > If Unicode Inc. chooses to impose a moratorium on discussing this > development in information technology then Unicode Inc. should say so > officially and post a policy document and not have this unfair > imposition of a moratorium by a person or persons unknown.

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 11/09/2015 19:04, Richard Wordingham a écrit : As to who Sarasvati is, try Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraswati . Recording her role on the Unicode list would probably count as 'original research' Thanks for this link ! I’m ashamed to confess I ignored her identity, and I thou

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:06:49 +0100 (BST) William_J_G Overington wrote: > Richard Wordingham wrote: > > So, what has become of ... > Please look at the way that I was treated by a person or persons > unknown. > http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2015-m06/0208.html I'd forgotten that

Re: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread William_J_G Overington
Erkki I. Kolehmainen wrote: > I, for one, don't see any reason to lift the moratorium on that particular > worn-out topic. One reason is that there is the new idea of using the base character followed by a sequence of tag characters technique to represent each localizable sentence. Thus only

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Luis de la Orden
Q1: It doesn't matter. These problems are inherent of the format the discussions are constrained to happen: mailing lists. Mailing lists are like the old postal service in the countryside, the mailmen would lazily get to the house at the crossroads and dump everyone's mail there for the whole commu

VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Erkki I Kolehmainen
ttaja: asmus-...@ix.netcom.com; richard.wording...@ntlworld.com; Marcel Schneider; unicode@unicode.org; shawn.ste...@microsoft.com; peter...@microsoft.com Aihe: Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll Richard Wordingham wrote: > So, what has become of ... I hope that that does not start again

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread William_J_G Overington
I am grateful to Marcel for his comments. I received some email responses to my post entitled A song in Esperanto http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2015-m09/0056.html Only one of the email responses was in any way whatsoever critical of me posting that post. I responded and there was a

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread William_J_G Overington
Richard Wordingham wrote: > So, what has become of ... I hope that that does not start again. It is unfair dealing. Please look at the way that I was treated by a person or persons unknown. http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2015-m06/0208.html I do not understand why the request for

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-11 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 10 Sep 2015 at 20:30, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: > On 9/10/2015 11:04 AM, Peter Constable wrote: >> I was having an offline discussion with someone regarding certain topics >> that may show up on this list on occasion, and the question came up of what >> evidence we might have of sentiment on

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-10 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:04:33 + Peter Constable wrote: > The questions are framed around this hypothetical scenario: Suppose I > were to post a message to the list describing some experiment I did, > creating a Web page containing (say) some Latin characters - not > obscure, just-added-in-Unic

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-10 Thread Kalvesmaki, Joel
. jk From: Peter Constable mailto:peter...@microsoft.com>> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 2:33 PM To: "Asmus Freytag (t)" mailto:asmus-...@ix.netcom.com>>, "unicode@unicode.org<mailto:unicode@unicode.org>" mailto:unicode@unicode.org>> Subject: RE

RE: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-10 Thread Peter Constable
AM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll On 9/10/2015 11:04 AM, Peter Constable wrote: I was having an offline discussion with someone regarding certain topics that may show up on this list on occasion, and the question came up of what evidence we might have of

RE: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-10 Thread Shawn Steele
catch replies as well. Q3 If there were too many of those folks, then I’d have more rules. From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Frédéric Grosshans Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:21 AM To: Peter Constable ; Unicode Mailing List Subject: Re: [somewhat off topic

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-10 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 9/10/2015 11:04 AM, Peter Constable wrote: I was having an offline discussion with someone regarding certain topics that may show up on this list on occasion, and the question came up of what evidence we

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-10 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Q1: neutral Q2: annoying Q3: reducing value of the list for me Le jeu. 10 sept. 2015 20:10, Peter Constable a écrit : > I was having an offline discussion with someone regarding certain topics > that may show up on this list on occasion, and the question came up of what > evidence we might have

[somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-10 Thread Peter Constable
I was having an offline discussion with someone regarding certain topics that may show up on this list on occasion, and the question came up of what evidence we might have of sentiment on the list. So, I thought I'd conduct a simple straw poll - respond if you feel inclined. The questions are f