Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-26 Thread Peter Kirk
On 25/09/2003 23:14, John Hudson wrote: At 10:23 AM 9/25/2003, Michael Everson wrote: Honestly it depends what kind of layman you are talking to. Many's the time I was beavering away on some proposal or other down the pub, and have been accosted with a "what are you doing?" Ah, but does b

RE: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-26 Thread John Hudson
At 10:23 AM 9/25/2003, Michael Everson wrote: Honestly it depends what kind of layman you are talking to. Many's the time I was beavering away on some proposal or other down the pub, and have been accosted with a "what are you doing?" Ah, but does bloke down the pub = typical New York Times

Unicode 4.0 book (was: Re: About that alphabetician...)

2003-09-25 Thread Doug Ewell
That alphabetician wrote: > And on tis very day, my copy of Unicode 4.0 has arrived. :-) Shipping takes longer to IE than to US. (Oops, I just used ISO's intellectual property.) I received my copy a few weeks ago, and just noticed the new section 5.19, "Unicode Security" (pp. 140-142), which i

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Curtis Clark
Of course, any Unicode character can be expressed as an XML character reference (e.g. म) in any web page encoding, even US-ASCII. -- Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/ Mockingbird Font Works http://www.mockfont.com/

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Deborah Goldsmith
I already wrote this up internally as a bug. Thanks, Deborah On 2003/09/25, at 14:05, Tom Gewecke wrote: About the c-cedilla, it appears that OS X Safari does not pick up the charset on this page. If the default is set to UTF-8, the c disappears altogether. The correct character is display

RE: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Tom Gewecke
About the c-cedilla, it appears that OS X Safari does not pick up the charset on this page. If the default is set to UTF-8, the c disappears altogether. The correct character is displayed only if the browser is set by default or manually to Latin 1.

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Michael Everson
At 13:19 -0700 2003-09-25, James Caldwell wrote: Congratulations! You have given Unicode a tremendous boost with this interview, published in the New York Times! I am sure it will bring many positive results for our work and for your career. Thank you very much. Please give generously to the S

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Brian Doyle
Thanks for the tip. There's must be something wrong with my machine. If anyone has any suggestions for how to troubleshoot this, please email me privately. On 9/25/03 1:54 PM, "John Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brian Doyle wrote: > >> The observation that I, the ³Irish (American) colleag

RE: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 05:41 PM 9/25/03 +0100, Richard Ishida wrote: Aha. Maybe, next time I try to explain it on the plane, I'll say something like: "Unicode is a standard for enabling your computer to represent all the letters of all the alphabets of the world." Still not terribly accurate and deliberately vague (a

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread John Burger
Brian Doyle wrote: The observation that I, the “Irish (American) colleague,” made to Michael was that there is a sentence in the NYT article displayed in my browser that dropped the OOE7 LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA (e.g., François). The c-cedilla is really there, I see it in three browsers

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Michael Everson
At 12:49 -0500 2003-09-25, Brian Doyle wrote: The observation that I, the "Irish (American) colleague," made to Michael was that there is a sentence in the NYT article displayed in my browser that dropped the OOE7 LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA (e.g., François). There's nothing in the paragraph

RE: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Michael Everson wrote: > At 08:33 -0700 2003-09-25, John Hudson wrote: > > >Unicode is an encoding standard for text on computers that allows > >documents in any script and language to be entered, stored, edited > >and exchanged. > > >>blank stare from layman<< Unicode is a code in which every

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Brian Doyle
Eric, Forgive my density. I¹m not sure that I understand. Are you arguing that an ASCII encoding scheme (ISO-8859-1) is not a limitation because, semantically, all of the characters (a, b, c, etc.) also exist in the Unicode scheme? It makes sense to me that ASCII is not a limitation for those doc

RE: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Michael Everson
At 08:33 -0700 2003-09-25, John Hudson wrote: Unicode is an encoding standard for text on computers that allows documents in any script and language to be entered, stored, edited and exchanged. blank stare from layman<< I think it is best to relate the description to what the layman does: he

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Rick McGowan
Michael wrote: > I was asked how I describe it briefly to laymen. And I usually say > "Unicode is like a big, giant font that is supposed to contain all > the letters of all the alphabets of all the languages in the world." Now, why do you suppose he removed *that* "like" and, like, left in all

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Eric Muller
Michael Everson wrote: An Irish colleague here said he liked the article but noted that the Times' web directors don't use Unicode ... ... There is an alternative point of view, which says that charset declared in an HTML (or XML) document is no more than

RE: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread John Hudson
At 07:11 AM 9/25/2003, Hart, Edwin F. wrote: I like to say, "Unicode and ISO/IEC 10646 describe a single standard for representing the world's characters in computers as a series of numbers (zeros and ones)." Unicode is an encoding standard for text on computers that allows documents in any scrip

RE: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Michael Everson
An Irish colleague here said he liked the article but noted that the Times' web directors don't use Unicode Is maith liom an t-alt ach tá díomá orm feiceáil nach bfhuil Unicode in úsaid ag stiurthóirí gréasáin de chuid NYT. Seo cód an leathanaigh: ... ... For the World's A B C's, He Mak

RE: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Michael Everson
At 10:11 -0400 2003-09-25, Hart, Edwin F. wrote: It is always a challenge to describe technology in terms that the lay person can understand. I like to say, "Unicode and ISO/IEC 10646 describe a single standard for representing the world's characters in computers as a series of numbers (zeros and

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Michael Everson
And on tis very day, my copy of Unicode 4.0 has arrived. :-) -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: About that alphabetician...

2003-09-25 Thread Michael Everson
One complaint: Very interesting. I didn't realize Unicode was a "large font", though... I thought it was a character encoding system, distinct from fonts, due to the character/glyph model :) Another complaint: Some purist will try to kill you for calling Unicode "a big, giant font ..." I wa