Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-01-29 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Dienstag, 29. Januar 2002 um 17:07 schrieb Stefan Persson: SP> In old Swedish there was a tradition of writing words of foreign origin in SP> the Roman type of letters (in Swedish referred to as "antikva"), while the SP> rest of the words were written in Fraktur. ... Am Dienstag, 29. Januar 2

Re: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-01-29 Thread Philipp Reichmuth
Hello Karl and others, KP> While in Swedish this is a *tradition* according to Stefan, in German KP> it is even a *rule*. The Duden says: KP> "Fremdsprachige Wörter und Wortgruppen ... sind im Fraktursatz als KP> Antiqua zu setzen", i.e. "Words of foreign languages and groups of KP> them ... have

Re: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-01-30 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2002 um 00:39 schrieb Philipp Reichmuth: PR> ... for example, in German hyphenation the consonant PR> cluster "ck" gets hyphenated as "k-k" under some circumstances. This PR> is a rule as well, but still it is a clear case where putting it into PR> the encoding by means of

RE: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-01-30 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Karl Pentzlin wrote: > [...] (as you can encode a Serbocroatian plain text to > be displayed in Latin or Cyrillic correctly without change). I guess you are talking about old Yugoslav character sets, as this would not be possible in Unicode. Another case of a single encoding which overlaps more

Re: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-01-30 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:42:08AM +0100, Karl Pentzlin wrote: > The advantage is that you can encode text to be displayed correctly > (i.e. according to the obligatory typesetting rules) in Fraktur as > plain text. You even can display this text correctly in Fraktur or > Roman without change (as

Re: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-01-30 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: "Karl Pentzlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: den 29 januari 2002 23:39 Subject: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur) > While in Swedish this is a *tradition* acc

Re: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-01-30 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: "Karl Pentzlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: den 30 januari 2002 09:42 Subject: Re: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur) > PR> I think most of these case

RE: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-01-31 Thread Yves Arrouye
> quite a lot of space. However, Fraktur is already encoded in the > Mathematical whatever-it's-called block. This variant selector would mean > that lots of characters can be displayed in two *different* ways. I'd > prefer > that Fraktur diacritics were added instead, and that the mathematical >

Re: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-01-31 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Stefan suggested: > > Maybe something like a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" would be appropriate: > > In any case, it'd be better to have *two* selectors, one to turn on Fraktur, > and a different one to turn it off. Otherwise, you'd have to put the variant > selector after *every* letter you want to

RE: Introducing the idea of a "ROMAN VARIANT SELECTOR" (was: Re: Proposing Fraktur)

2002-02-01 Thread Oliver Christ
Hi, Ken wrote: > Das sinkende Schiff sandte SOS-Rufe. > or conversely, perhaps better: > Das sinkende Schiff sandte SOS-Rufe. at the end, it may be more useful to rather markup the semantics than formatting properties, i.e. This is not a question of Zeitgeist. It is the responsibili