Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-18 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
20But any operation in OpenType that requires reordering requires a glyphs buffer. This could even apply to Latin if Microsoft really intends to support normalization (i.e. canonical equivalences) in its own USE engine (for now it does not) because it would also require a glyphs buffer to allow

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-18 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
s buffer (to allow >>>>>>> reordering >>>>>>> glyphs before positioning them), and working directly on the codepoints >>>>>>> streams. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So it seems related to the fact that OpenT

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-18 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
gt;>>>>> So it seems related to the fact that OpenType fonts do not need to >>>>>> include rules for glyph substitution, but the PHALA forms are represented >>>>>> without any glyph substitution, by mapping directly the phala forms in a >>>>>>

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-18 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Doug Ewell wrote, > I've linked Manish's post on FB as a reply to one of those mainstream > articles that repeatedly calls the conjunct a "single character," written by > a staffer who couldn't be bothered to find out how a writing system used by > 78 million people works. Linking Manish's

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-18 Thread Manish Goregaokar via Unicode
;>> separate table for the consonants. Because there's been no code to glyph >>>>> subtitution, the glyph buffer is not created, but then when processing the >>>>> ZWNJ, it looks for data in a glyph buffer that has still not be >>>>> initializ

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-18 Thread Manish Goregaokar via Unicode
ed >>>> (and this is specific to the renderers implemented by Apple in iOS and >>>> MacOS). This bug does not occur if another text rendering engine is used >>>> (e.g. in non-Apple web browsers). >>>> >>>> >>>> 2018-02-1

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-17 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
> >>> >>> 2018-02-16 19:44 GMT+01:00 Manish Goregaokar <man...@mozilla.com>: >>> >>>> FWIW I dissected the crashing strings, it's basically all <consonant, >>>> virama, consonant, zwnj, vowel> sequences in Telugu, Bengali, Devanagari

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-17 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
strings, it's basically all <consonant, >>> virama, consonant, zwnj, vowel> sequences in Telugu, Bengali, Devanagari >>> where the consonant is suffix-joining (ra in Devanagari, jo and ro in >>> Bengali, and all Telugu consonants), the vowel is not Bengali au o

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-17 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 17/02/18 21:01, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: […] > > I've linked Manish's post on FB as a reply to one of those mainstream > articles that repeatedly calls the conjunct a "single character," > written by a staffer who couldn't be bothered to find out how a writin

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-17 Thread Manish Goregaokar via Unicode
ugu ai, and if the second consonant is ra/ro the first one is not also >> ra/ro (or ro-with-line-through-it). >> >> https://manishearth.github.io/blog/2018/02/15/picking-apart- >> the-crashing-ios-string/ >> >> -Manish >> >> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-17 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
gali au or o / > Telugu ai, and if the second consonant is ra/ro the first one is not also > ra/ro (or ro-with-line-through-it). > > https://manishearth.github.io/blog/2018/02/15/picking-apart- > the-crashing-ios-string/ > > -Manish > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:58 AM

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-17 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
r than "probably not a bug of Unicode," implying an outside chance that it might be. I've linked Manish's post on FB as a reply to one of those mainstream articles that repeatedly calls the conjunct a "single character," written by a staffer who couldn't be bothered to find

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-16 Thread Manish Goregaokar via Unicode
ugu ai, and if the second consonant is ra/ro the first one is not also ra/ro (or ro-with-line-through-it). https://manishearth.github.io/blog/2018/02/15/picking-apart-the-crashing-ios-string/ -Manish On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Philippe Verdy via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrot

Re: Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-15 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
That's probably not a bug of Unicode but of MacOS/iOS text renderers with some fonts using advanced composition feature. Similar bugs could as well the new advanced features added in Windows or Android to support multicolored emojis, variable fonts, contextual glyph transforms, style variants

Unicode of Death 2.0

2018-02-15 Thread James Kass via Unicode
This article: https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/15/iphone-text-bomb-ios-mac-crash-apple/?ncid=mobilenavtrend The single Unicode symbol referred to in the article results from a string of Telugu characters. The article doesn't list or display the characters, so Mac users can visit the above link

Re: UNICODE vehicle vanity registration?

2018-02-14 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/14/2018 10:37 AM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: On 14-Feb-2018 22:45, "Alastair Houghton" <alast...@alastairs-place.net>

Re: UNICODE vehicle vanity registration?

2018-02-14 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/14/2018 8:14 AM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: Given that in the US vanity vehicle registrations with arbitrary alphanumeric sequences upto 7 characters are permitted (I am correct I hope?), I wonder who (here?) owns the UNICODE registration

Re: UNICODE vehicle vanity registration?

2018-02-14 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
On 14-Feb-2018 22:45, "Alastair Houghton" <alast...@alastairs-place.net> wrote: I’d hope that Mark Davis has “UNICODE” on his car. However, I’m not sure how relevant it really is to this mailing list. You're right. My apologies. It *is* somewhat OT to the actual purpose of

Re: UNICODE vehicle vanity registration?

2018-02-14 Thread Alastair Houghton via Unicode
On 14 Feb 2018, at 16:29, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > > Sorry but "UNICODE" does fit within those rules doesn't it? Yes. Stephane has misunderstood. (Shriramana meant the literal text “UNICODE”, which is indeed composed of letters A-Z an

Re: UNICODE vehicle vanity registration?

2018-02-14 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer via Unicode
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 09:59:53PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma <samj...@gmail.com> wrote a message of 54 lines which said: > Sorry but "UNICODE" does fit within those rules doesn't it? I doubt that the Departement of Motor Vehicles will accept "but it is in category Ll" as a good reason :-)

Re: UNICODE vehicle vanity registration?

2018-02-14 Thread Andrew West via Unicode
You can use ♥⭐➕ in California. Someone has U+1F913 邏 ( https://www.instagram.com/p/BVYtIHensDu/) Andrew On 14 February 2018 at 16:24, Stephane Bortzmeyer via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 09:44:06PM +0530, > Shriramana Sharma via Unicode <unic

Re: UNICODE vehicle vanity registration?

2018-02-14 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
Sorry but "UNICODE" does fit within those rules doesn't it? On 14-Feb-2018 21:54, "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <bortzme...@nic.fr> wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 09:44:06PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote a message of 6 lines which said

Re: UNICODE vehicle vanity registration?

2018-02-14 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer via Unicode
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 09:44:06PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote a message of 6 lines which said: > Given that in the US vanity vehicle registrations with arbitrary > alphanumeric sequences upto 7 characters are permitted (I am correct > I h

UNICODE vehicle vanity registration?

2018-02-14 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
Given that in the US vanity vehicle registrations with arbitrary alphanumeric sequences upto 7 characters are permitted (I am correct I hope?), I wonder who (here?) owns the UNICODE registration? -- Shriramana Sharma ஶ்ரீரமணஶர்மா श्रीरमणशर्मा ူ၆ိျိါအူိ၆ါး

Fwd: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now final for 2018

2018-02-11 Thread Pierpaolo Bernardi via Unicode
Enthusiastic reactions to the new emojis announcement: https://xkcd.co m/1953/ PB On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:06 PM, wrote: > Emoji 11.0 data has been > released, with 157 new emoji such as: >

Re: Internationalization & Unicode Conference 2018

2018-01-24 Thread Markus Scherer via Unicode
If your presentation is accepted for the conference, you should get a hotel discount. markus

Internationalization & Unicode Conference 2018

2018-01-24 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
I am thinking that people at Internationalization & Unicode Conference 2018 may well be interested in my story and, at times difficult, journey. It has been a long journey. Title of my presentation would be "How I Internationalized my Computer Science Teaching". Would an

PDF restrictions on the Unicode Standard 10.0

2018-01-13 Thread Henri Sivonen via Unicode
he PDF can be viewed, printed and copied from without artificial restrictions, there are various restriction bits set for modifying the file. (Screenshot: https://hsivonen.fi/screen/unicode-pdf-restrictions.png ) It doesn't make sense to me that the Consortium restricts me from adding

Re: Printed versions of Unicode v1 through v4 available

2018-01-07 Thread Paul Hoffman via Unicode
n what they think or learn or may > find interests in learning foreign languages because of these books. > > 2018-01-07 1:08 GMT+01:00 Paul Hoffman via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org>: > >> Greetings. I am cleaning out my closet, and have printed versions of TUS >> v

Re: Printed versions of Unicode v1 through v4 available

2018-01-07 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
they think or learn or may find interests in learning foreign languages because of these books. 2018-01-07 1:08 GMT+01:00 Paul Hoffman via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org>: > Greetings. I am cleaning out my closet, and have printed versions of TUS > v1 through v4 that I'm no longe

Printed versions of Unicode v1 through v4 available

2018-01-07 Thread Paul Hoffman via Unicode
Greetings. I am cleaning out my closet, and have printed versions of TUS v1 through v4 that I'm no longer interested in. If you want them and are willing to pay postage (US media mail rates are lowest), send me a note off-list. Otherwise, they will go the way of so many things in this world...

Re: Minimal Implementation of Unicode Collation Algorithm

2017-12-04 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:48:11 -0800 Markus Scherer via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 5:30 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode < > unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > > Would an implementation that supported no characters be compliant? > I gu

Re: Minimal Implementation of Unicode Collation Algorithm

2017-12-04 Thread Markus Scherer via Unicode
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 5:30 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > May a collation algorithm that always compares all strings as equal be a > compliant implementation of the Unicode Collation Algorithm (UTS #10)? > If not, by which clause is it not compl

Minimal Implementation of Unicode Collation Algorithm

2017-12-04 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
May a collation algorithm that always compares all strings as equal be a compliant implementation of the Unicode Collation Algorithm (UTS #10)? If not, by which clause is it not compliant? Formally, this algorithm would require that all weights be zero. Would an implementation that supported

Re: ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-12 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 02:36:43 -0700 Asmus Freytag via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > On 11/3/2017 2:13 AM, Andre Schappo via Unicode wrote: > > You may > find https://twitter.com/andreschappo/status/926163719331176450 amusing >  > > André Schappo > > You

Re: ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-07 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar via Unicode
Lets create another Annexe for standardising " Printing of Unicode standard - "usage of fonts, paper size " etc etc ;-) LOL !! On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Phake Nick via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > The entire Unicode can also be printed onto a single

Re: ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-05 Thread Mark Davis ☕️ via Unicode
I had some time on the plane this weekend, and generated some more comprehensive figures that take the following into account: 1. There are two senses of "Unicode". In the narrow sense, it is only the Unicode Standard (ie, Unicode Characters). But it has grown to have

Re: ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-04 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
.0 chart PDF is 2570 pages. On 11/3/2017 2:36 AM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: single file code charts in a while, but I believe you get at least that number again. PS: @Andre: update to my last message: 1,500 Core, 2570+ Charts, and, say 430, for the UAXs would make 4,500 pages. Off by a factor

Re: ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-03 Thread Asmus Freytag (c) via Unicode
for localization into English and for localization into many of the languages of Western Europe and Scandinavia. If many sentence.dat files, one for each language, and the software to handle them were implemented in Unicode using the UTF-16 text file format for each sentence.dat file, the system would work

Re: ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-03 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
h I think the only way we can resolve this "X page Unicode book" issue is to recruit an infinite number of monkeys 。。️ André Schappo On 3 Nov 2017, at 12:50, Phake Nick <c933...@gmail.com<mailto:c933...@gmail.com>> wrote: The entire Unico

Re: ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-03 Thread Phake Nick via Unicode
The entire Unicode can also be printed onto a single page if you use a very huge paper coupled with smaller font size! ​I think a football field sized paper could possibly do the job? 2017-11-03 19:29 GMT+08:00 Andre Schappo via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org>: > > On 3 Nov 2017, at

Re: ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-03 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
On 3 Nov 2017, at 09:36, Asmus Freytag via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org<mailto:unicode@unicode.org>> wrote: On 11/3/2017 2:13 AM, Andre Schappo via Unicode wrote: You may find https://twitter.com/andreschappo/status/926163719331176450 amusing  André Schappo You're wildly off

Re: ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-03 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/3/2017 2:13 AM, Andre Schappo via Unicode wrote: You may find https://twitter.com/andreschappo/status/926163719331176450 amusing  André Schappo You're wildly off in your page count. The "

ASCII v Unicode

2017-11-03 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
You may find https://twitter.com/andreschappo/status/926163719331176450 amusing  André Schappo

Re: Assamese and Unicode.

2017-09-05 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
On 9/5/17, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > The best thing to do is to have lot's of content in Assamese in Unicode. > This will show that things just work. IIUC the problem is with Assamese not accepting the label "Bengali" to "their"

Re: Assamese and Unicode.

2017-09-05 Thread Martin J. Dürst via Unicode
Sorry for the long delay of this answer. On 2017/08/24 07:35, David Faulks via Unicode wrote: It appears that the Indian government will submit an 'Assamese' proposal. http://silchar.com/unicode-standard-for-assamese-in-the-offing/ Since everything I know about Assamese Script indicates

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-26 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
emoji, and all > Swift functions working with characters, strings, and substrings > count characters in this way. There is an underlying store that is, > for historic reasons, UTF-16, and that can be accessed, but so can > UTF-8 and UTF-32. Can the individual Unicode characters

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-26 Thread Eli Zaretskii via Unicode
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 22:07:57 +0100 > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> > > > We are miscommunicating. My point was that programming for MS-Windows > > needs a good understanding of what the UTF-16 surrogates are, and in > > what

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-26 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:20:45 +0300 Eli Zaretskii via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 18:52:03 +0100 > > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> > We are miscommunicating. My point was that programming for MS-Windows &

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-26 Thread Eli Zaretskii via Unicode
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 18:52:03 +0100 > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> > > > > It shouldn't. UTF-16 works just like UTF-8, except that the code > > > units are bigger. > > > Not really, since UTF-8 doesn't have surrogat

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-26 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 18:55:25 +0300 Eli Zaretskii via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:09:33 +0100 > > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> > > It shouldn't. UTF-16 works just like UTF-8, except that

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-26 Thread Eli Zaretskii via Unicode
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:09:33 +0100 > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> > > > > Just steer them away from UTF-16! > > > > Which will leave them entirely unprepared for the MS-Windows Unicode > > programming

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-26 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 09:36:00 +0300 Eli Zaretskii via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 00:23:40 +0100 > > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> > > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:17:10 + > > Andre Schap

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-26 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 12:57:37 +0100 (BST) William_J_G Overington via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > UTF-16 is very useful. I use it in my research project. > If the byte content of a UTF-16 file is displayed in a hexadecimal > display then for all plane 0 characters t

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-26 Thread Norbert Lindenberg via Unicode
ECMAScript 6 fixed that, largely along the lines of my proposal: http://norbertlindenberg.com/2012/05/ecmascript-supplementary-characters/index.html Norbert > On Aug 24, 2017, at 22:14 , Peter Constable via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> > wrote: > > I thought Java

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-25 Thread William_J_G Overington via Unicode
e byte content of the character codes are thereby displayed directly. Also, all characters that can be encoded in Unicode can be stored in a UTF-16 file. William Overington Friday 25 August 2017 Original message >From : unicode@unicode.org Date : 2017/08/25 - 00:23 (GMTST) To

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-25 Thread Mark Davis ☕️ via Unicode
Mark (https://twitter.com/mark_e_davis) On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > On 8/24/2017 10:17 AM, Andre Schappo via Unicode wrote: > >> Because there are many systems that can now handle BMP characters but not &g

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii via Unicode
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 00:23:40 +0100 > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:17:10 + > Andre Schappo via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > > > So, I consider it important to familiarise students wi

RE: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-25 Thread via Unicode
Use String.codePointAt() etc. El ago. 24, 2017 10:42 PM -0700, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org>, escribió: > IIUC the limitation seems to be only that functions such as "charAt" do not > recognize that surrogates aren't valid characters: > > http

RE: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
IIUC the limitation seems to be only that functions such as "charAt" do not recognize that surrogates aren't valid characters: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/String/charAt via https://stackoverflow.com/a/8716157/1503120. This is a problem of many

RE: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
I thought Javascript had a UCS-2 understanding of Unicode strings. Has it managed to progress beyond that? Peter From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of David Starner via Unicode Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 5:18 PM To: Unicode Mailing List <unicode@unicode.

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
ed constructors) and new code unit types for mutable buffers (but only for the rangechecks of their write accessors, using "Number" 64-bit floating points or the newer "BigInt" 64-bit integers) There are similar designs in Perl, PHP, and most languages: Unicode support and c

Fwd: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread David Starner via Unicode
-- Forwarded message - From: David Starner <prosfil...@gmail.com> Date: Thu, Aug 24, 2017, 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Unicode education in Schools To: Richard Wordingham <richard.wording...@ntlworld.com> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017, 5:26 PM Richard Wordingham via Unico

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:17:10 + Andre Schappo via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > So, I consider it important to familiarise students with SMP > characters as well as BMP characters. Then when they develop software > they will, at the start, be thinking beyond ASCII

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 8/24/2017 10:17 AM, Andre Schappo via Unicode wrote: Because there are many systems that can now handle BMP characters but not cannot handle SMP characters. One example being systems that use mysql utf8 (3 byte encoding) and have not yet updated to utf8mb4 (4 byte encoding) So, I consider

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
2017-08-24 19:17 GMT+02:00 Andre Schappo via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org>: > > Because there are many systems that can now handle BMP characters but not > cannot handle SMP characters. > > One example being systems that use mysql utf8 (3 byte encoding) and have > not y

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
as well as BMP characters. Then when they develop software they will, at the start, be thinking beyond ASCII and Unicode BMP characters. André Schappo > On 24 Aug 2017, at 17:45, Shriramana Sharma <samj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So how do you think it matters if the characters

Re: Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
So how do you think it matters if the characters are in the BMP or SMP?

Unicode education in Schools

2017-08-24 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
I came across this School Unicode exercise https://community.computingatschool.org.uk/resources/4546 The exercise concerns Emoji but to me the important point is that the schoolchildren are having to think about SMP characters. I do not know if schools gives an explanation of the BMP and SMP

Re: Assamese and Unicode.

2017-08-23 Thread James Kass via Unicode
The Eastern Nagari script is used to write Bengali and Assamese, as well as a few other languages. To the best of my knowledge, the existing Unicode encoding includes coverage for the minor typographic differences between Bengali and Assamese text. Any proposal for separate Assamese code points

Re: Assamese and Unicode.

2017-08-23 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
It could appear as a supplementary chart for the ISCII standard, but when converting to Unicode, it should have no impact except possibly encoding some of their letters in the new chart as pairs of Unicode characters even if one of them would not be necessary in all contexts (it could be a variant

Assamese and Unicode.

2017-08-23 Thread David Faulks via Unicode
It appears that the Indian government will submit an 'Assamese' proposal. http://silchar.com/unicode-standard-for-assamese-in-the-offing/ Since everything I know about Assamese Script indicates that it is basically the same as Bengali and the Unicode Assamese controversy is derived entirely

RE: Unicode 10 Cover Art

2017-08-22 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
http://blog.unicode.org/2017/08/unicode-consortium-announces-cover.html -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Andre Schappo via Unicode Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 9:30 AM To: Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> Subject: Unicode 10 Cov

Unicode 10 Cover Art

2017-08-21 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
Unicode 10.0 Cover Design Art Were there entries and, if yes, which won? André Schappo

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-15 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
y: "Tronoën", "Citroën". Since Iʼve been kindly informed off-list that this point of the reform actually “regularizes” (as you put it) a mistake, Iʼll have to make use of the optionality of applying the new rules, and reset the words in my files to the old spelling. As y

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-15 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
or as "ü" with its umlaut... which is not a diareasis phonetically; French transforms this "u" /y/ into a gliding semivowel where it immediately precedes another non-mute and non-nasal vowel; but French ortography has no specific letter for this semivowel which remains writt

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-14 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 16:14:04 +0100 (BST), William_J_G Overington via Unicode wrote: > […] > > For example, it mentioned the u diaeresis used in French, though I learned > later that words that have a u diaeresis in French are rather rare. > Today, words containing 'u diaeres

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-08 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 7/8/2017 12:28 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:04:39 -0700 Asmus Freytag via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: But some handling of combining mark (and also the new emoji sequences) would equally cons

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-08 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:04:39 -0700 Asmus Freytag via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > But some handling > of combining mark (and also the new emoji sequences) would equally > constitute "basic" knowledge, with the Unicode algorithms like > sorting, Which maj

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-08 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 7/8/2017 3:36 AM, Otto Stolz via Unicode wrote: Übung Unicode Thanks, it's been too long. Anyway, I tried it, and the top search page yielded at least one programming exercise for UTF-8. That's the minimum level of Unicode proficiency

RE: Tilde (was: Unicode education in UK Schools)

2017-07-08 Thread Jonathan Rosenne via Unicode
Hello, To be precise, this is the COMBINING TILDE not the character TILDE (U+007E). Best Regards, Jonathan Rosenne -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Otto Stolz via Unicode Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:33 PM To: unicode@unicode.org

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-08 Thread Otto Stolz via Unicode
Hello, am 2017-07-07 um 20:45 Uhr hat Asmus Freytag geschrieben: I also checked whether there are accessible homework assignments that mention Unicode ("Hausaufgabe Unicode"). I didn't go very deep, but it seems that it's not untypical to relegate Unicode to a sidebar, explaini

Tilde (was: Unicode education in UK Schools)

2017-07-08 Thread Otto Stolz via Unicode
Hello, am 2017-07-07 um 17:14 Uhr hat William_J_G Overington geschrieben: I found that the character a tilde as I now know it to be called is only used in Portuguese. Just for the record: “Ô is used in Portuguese, Kashubian; “Ñ” is used in Galician, Spanish, Mirandese, Catalan (only for

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-08 Thread Rebecca T via Unicode
> That might be a good thing. Yeah. Very seriously, it’s very important to introduce Unicode early on in CS education, even in a “hey, it’s not OK to exclude people who don’t speak English or people whose names have diacritics from using the programs you create” sort of way. Ignorance and apa

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-08 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
Interesting. Thanks Asmus. So what of other countries? Anyone on this list from China, Japan, Korea, Russia, Thailand ...etc... What is the situation in your countries with respect to Unicode education in your country's Schools, Colleges and Universities? TIA André Schappo > On 7 Jul 2

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-07 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 7/7/2017 12:55 PM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote: I've not (yet) located any assignments that try to address any of the "tricky" issues in the use of Unicode. That might be a good thing. Many introductory lessons or chapters or talks about Unicode d

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-07 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
Asmus Freytag wrote: > I've not (yet) located any assignments that try to address any of the > "tricky" issues in the use of Unicode. That might be a good thing. Many introductory lessons or chapters or talks about Unicode dive almost immediately into the complexities and weirdn

Re: Unicode education in the professional world

2017-07-07 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
2017-07-07 19:02 GMT+02:00 Doug Ewell via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org>: > Oracle FAQ: > While UTF8 uses only 2 bytes to store data AL32UTF8 uses 2 or 4 bytes. > > Unicode and UTF-8 have been around a long time by now. The fact that > there is still fake news like this ou

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-07 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
I performed a quick search "Informatik und Unicode" to see whether I could find documents from German academic institutions discussing Unicode in the context of computer science (Informatik). Among the first page of search results I found a number of summaries and presentations tha

Unicode education in the professional world

2017-07-07 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
(*255)+131. and: > While UTF8 uses only 2 bytes to store data AL32UTF8 uses 2 or 4 bytes. Unicode and UTF-8 have been around a long time by now. The fact that there is still fake news like this out there, steering our less Unicode-aware colleagues waaay down the wrong path, is disconcerting.

Re: Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-07 Thread William_J_G Overington via Unicode
of The Café Äpfel be updated, extended so as to promote the use of Unicode, and applied to help with education? For example, the original idea included a television series. Now there is widespread production of videos. Previously I wrote: > Once the musicians come from further afi

Unicode education in UK Schools

2017-07-07 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
There is some evidence that Unicode is now being introduced to Computer Science pupils in UK Schools. Hove Park School give a summary of their Computer Science curriculum for Years 8 and 9 http://www.hovepark.brighton-hove.sch.uk/department/computer-science From Year 9 curriculum summary

Re: Algorithms for Unicode script detection

2017-07-05 Thread Khaled Hosny via Unicode
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 09:43:29AM +1000, Simon Cozens via Unicode wrote: > I want to segment a Unicode text into runs according to their script. > I've had a look through UAX#24 in the hope of finding a standard > algorithm for doing this, but there isn't one specified. The > im

Algorithms for Unicode script detection

2017-07-05 Thread Simon Cozens via Unicode
I want to segment a Unicode text into runs according to their script. I've had a look through UAX#24 in the hope of finding a standard algorithm for doing this, but there isn't one specified. The implementation section gives some good pointers for what to be careful with (paired punctuation, etc

Re: Announcing The Unicode® Standard, Version 10.0

2017-06-21 Thread Michael Everson via Unicode
High 101F6, high 101F6, High FE4F… ♫ > On 21 Jun 2017, at 18:01, Ken Whistler via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> > wrote: > > I wonder IF 9 times suffice, > But IF more are required, > I'll tweet ILY, tweet it twice -- > Since spelling's been retired. > > &g

Re: Announcing The Unicode® Standard, Version 10.0

2017-06-21 Thread Ken Whistler via Unicode
I wonder IF 9 times suffice, But IF more are required, I'll tweet ILY, tweet it twice -- Since spelling's been retired. On 6/21/2017 8:37 AM, William_J_G Overington via Unicode wrote: Here is a mnemonic poem, that I wrote on Monday 20 February 2017, now published as U+1F91F is now officially

Re: Announcing The Unicode® Standard, Version 10.0

2017-06-21 Thread William_J_G Overington via Unicode
Here is a mnemonic poem, that I wrote on Monday 20 February 2017, now published as U+1F91F is now officially in The Unicode Standard. One eff nine one eff Is the code number to say In one symbol A very special message To a loved one far away In an email Or a message of text

Internet unicode use of Indian languages

2017-05-02 Thread N. Ganesan via Unicode
In India, Tamil is most used in the internet. https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/kpmg/in/pdf/2017/ 04/Indian-languages-Defining-Indias-Internet.pdf http://www.vikatan.com/news/india/88214-tamil-is-the-most- used-indian-language-says-google.html N. Ganesan

Unicode is more than shapes (was: Tibetan Paluta)

2017-05-01 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Mon, 1 May 2017 07:17:05 +0200 Philippe Verdy via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > 2017-04-29 21:21 GMT+02:00 Naena Guru via Unicode > <unicode@unicode.org>: > > Anyway, Unicode is only about DISPLAYING a script: There's a shape > > here; Let's find how

Extended_Pictographic in Unicode Utilities

2017-04-18 Thread Christoph Päper via Unicode
Maybe I just need to be a patient a bit longer, but maybe I'm missing something: Since CLDR and ICU have been updated recently and the Extended_Pictographic codepoint property has been added, shouldn't it be accessible within Unicode Utilities: UnicodeSet? <http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/l

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