"African Oracle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> By the time we get to know one another very well, people will notice some
> humour in my style of writing. Like I pulled Peter's leg, I was pulling
> yours with that question. Smiling with you.
Would you mind cutting it out? I get enough mail on this
To: "Unicode Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "African Oracle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: Just if and where is the then?
> Dele Olawole dba African Oracle wrote:
>
> > Doug do you have problem with Afri
There were a lot of costs and lost productivity that resulted
> from local users using custom 8-bit encodings. We used to do it because
> there was no alternative. Now there is an alternative, however, and
> Unicode is definitely the better choice for the local users, because
> they will be able to
Dele Olawole dba African Oracle wrote:
> Doug do you have problem with African Oracle? It is the way this email
> address is set up. It is being used for hundreds of mailing list and
> it is owned by Dele Olawole so no masquarading, moonlighting,
> disgusing or hiding
No problem at all. I w
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf
> Of Philippe Verdy
> > I guarantee you that creating a new 8-bit encoding specific to the
> > language(s) you are dealing with, and getting fonts developed for
that
> > encoding, and trying to exchange data in this new encoding with
ot
thanks Peter. More to read!
Regards
Dele
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From: "Peter Constable" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Unicode Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: RE: Just if and where is the then?
> Besides i
> Besides it requires a special instruction to have Ẹ́ in a font table as
> suggested by the guys at Fontlabs which I am yet to experiment. But since
> Peter is here, he can shed more light on how this can be implemented.
Dele, you will want to learn about the OpenType technology. I recommend tha
Afrian Oracle wrote...
> The Yoruba Digital Consortium
> www.africaservice.com/yorubadigital might push the idea of e, o with dot
> below and grave or acute accent to make it easier for font and keyboard
> developers to implement.
>
> What do you think?
My opinion: it isn't easier, just different
lippe Verdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Just if and where is the then?
> From: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
From: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I guarantee you that creating a new 8-bit encoding specific to the
> language(s) you are dealing with, and getting fonts developed for that
> encoding, and trying to exchange data in this new encoding with others,
> will cause more problems for the universit
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Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Just if and where is the then?
> Dele, who moonlights as African Oracle com>, wrote:
>
> > Laughter: Yes, Doug I could see what you have done, but it does not
> > appear right or look right. It is just like putt
John Jenkins scripsit:
> There is, moreover, a non-zero cost to revising a program or OS to use
> a new 8-bit encoding. Realistically, people running machines or using
> software too old to use Unicode aren't likely to get much advantage at
> this point by the creation of a new 8-bit standard.
> > Laughter: Yes, Doug I could see what you have done, but it does not
> > appear right or look right. It is just like putting the nose where the
> > eyes are supposed to be a bit out of phase; especially with the dot
> > below and even worst when one is considering O with dot below...
>
> It lo
Quoting Philippe Verdy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
For me ISO-8859-1/2 will continue to be used for very long
> periods.
Just updating every PNG file in the world will obviously take a long time. Since
that format references ISO 8859-1 it's going to mean that ISO 8859-1 will be
around for a long time, n
Dele, who moonlights as African Oracle , wrote:
> Laughter: Yes, Doug I could see what you have done, but it does not
> appear right or look right. It is just like putting the nose where the
> eyes are supposed to be a bit out of phase; especially with the dot
> below and even worst when one is co
From: "Jon Hanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Knowing that Unicode-ISO/IEC 10646 is a now de facto standard (after being a
> > de
> > jure one in ISO) will clearly guide those charset developments complying
> > with
> > Unicode rules and policies, so that such adoption will not create a
nightmare
> > t
On May 5, 2004, at 6:32 AM, John Cowan wrote:
Low (indeed, zero) cost software is now available that runs well on
low-end hardware and fully supports the Unicode Standard, with no need
for font hacks or further 8-bit encodings.
There is, moreover, a non-zero cost to revising a program or OS to use
Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "African Oracle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Philippe Verdy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Just if and where is the then?
Dele and Philippe,
The solution is *not* to develop a ne
Dele Olawole, who sometimes goes by "African Oracle" , wrote:
> Did I develop and promote such encoding? I will not because I don't
> need it. - Doug
These were Philippe's words, not mine.
I had said that a new African 8-bit encoding with precomposed EÌÌ and
friends would not be a good thing, in
> It's up to African communities or governments or local instituions and
> educational organizations to decide if they wish such encoding, if this
> development is justified by a reasonable reduction of costs with an
> increased
> compatibility with low-cost softwares and systems, and simplified pr
Dele
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From: "Philippe Verdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Just if and where is the then?
From: "Doug Ewell
"Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Just if and where is the then?
From: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The solution is *not* to develop a new African 8-bit encoding that
> encodes EÌÌ and eÌÌ as precomposed
Philippe Verdy scripsit:
> Did I develop and promote such encoding? I will not because I don't
> need it.
>
> It's up to African communities or governments or local instituions
> and educational organizations to decide if they wish such encoding,
> if this development is justified by a reasonable
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Philippe Verdy
> It's up to African communities or governments or local instituions and
> educational organizations to decide if they wish such encoding, if
this
> development is justified by a reasonable reduction of costs with a
From: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The solution is *not* to develop a new African 8-bit encoding that
> encodes EÌÌ and eÌÌ as precomposed characters, and then try to use that
> as a justification for getting them encoded as precomposed characters in
> Unicode, "but without any canonical equi
Dele and Philippe,
The solution is *not* to develop a new African 8-bit encoding that
encodes EÌÌ and eÌÌ as precomposed characters, and then try to use that
as a justification for getting them encoded as precomposed characters in
Unicode, "but without any canonical equivalence."
The solution is
st" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: Just if and where is the then?
> From: "African Oracle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > If a can have U+0061 and have a composite that is U+00e2...U+...
> > If e can have U+0065 and have
From: "African Oracle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If a can have U+0061 and have a composite that is U+00e2...U+...
> If e can have U+0065 and have a composite that is U+00ea...U+...
>
> Then why is e with accented grave or acute and dot below cannot be assigned
> a single unicode value instead of the co
Better technical response than the one got from the guy at Microsoft.
Thanks
Dele
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From: "Ernest Cline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "African Oracle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:27 PM
Subj
African Oracle scripsit:
> Are we saying we have exhausted such necessity?
Yes.
> And what are these legacy-standard encodings?
Those devised by ISO, various national governments, IBM, Microsoft, and Apple,
roughly speaking.
> "No new composite values will be added". - Peter Constable
>
> The
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Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: Just if and where is the then?
> Dele,
>
> > "No new composite values will be added". - Peter Constable
> >
> > The above sounds dictatorial in nature.
>
>
Dele,
> "No new composite values will be added". - Peter Constable
>
> The above sounds dictatorial in nature.
Peter has already explained that this is just the nature
of the current policy regarding such additions. The reason
for the policy others in this thread have attempted to
explain. The s
Thanks to have taken the time to explain.
Regards
Dele
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From: "Peter Constable" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: Just if and where is the then?
> > "The existing com
From: "African Oracle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> "The existing composites were included only out of necessity so that new
> Unicode implementations could interoperate with existing implementations
> using legacy industry-standard encodings." - Peter Constable
>
> Are we saying we have exhausted such ne
> "The existing composites were included only out of necessity so that
new
> Unicode implementations could interoperate with existing
implementations
> using legacy industry-standard encodings." - Peter Constable
>
> Are we saying we have exhausted such necessity?
Yes, because by definition legac
y-standard encodings?
"No new composite values will be added". - Peter Constable
The above sounds dictatorial in nature.
Dele
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Constable" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:27 PM
> [Original Message]
> From: African Oracle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 5/4/2004 7:04:48 PM
> Subject: Just if and where is the then?
>
> If a can have U+0061 and have a composite that is U+00e2...U+...
> If e can have U+0065 and
> If a can have U+0061 and have a composite that is U+00e2...U+...
> If e can have U+0065 and have a composite that is U+00ea...U+...
>
> Then why is e with accented grave or acute and dot below cannot be
assigned
> a single unicode value instead of the combinational values 1EB9 0301
and
> etc
If a can have U+0061 and have a composite that is U+00e2...U+...
If e can have U+0065 and have a composite that is U+00ea...U+...
Then why is e with accented grave or acute and dot below cannot be assigned
a single unicode value instead of the combinational values 1EB9 0301 and
etc
Since UNIC
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