On Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:59 PM, Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On 2003.07.10, 20:34, John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > IIRC, Portuguese traditional typography also avoids the fi-ligature,
> > even though the language has no dotless-i.
>
> Just browsed some
Philippe Verdy posted:
In French typography, we also find the special ligatures for the French
(and Roman Latin) word "et" (means "and"), using old alternate forms for
the lowercase letter "e", looking mostly like a Greek epsilon (or the Latin
Small Open E, still used in Tamazigh as a letter disti
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> See http://www.adobe.com/type/topics/theampersand.html for a short
> history of the ampersand and some of its variations in modern computer
> fonts.
Whole article (17 pages) about ampersand ligature in French (and other
langu
Jim Allan scripsit:
> What this doesn't indicate is that sometimes in medieval text the
> ampersand ligature is used to spell _et_ as part of a longer word.
Not just mediaeval text; "&c." for "etc." (= "et cetera") was common
right through the 19th century if not later.
--
John Cowan [EMAIL
Jim Allan scripsit:
> See http://www.adobe.com/type/topics/theampersand.html for a short
> history of the ampersand and some of its variations in modern computer
> fonts.
Unfortunately the explanation of the name "ampersand" given there
is exactly backwards: it is not "& per se and", but "and
On Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:21 AM, John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Check common fonts like Trebuchet MS, Berkeley Book, Goudy Sans,
> > Korinna and Univers for recognizable _Et_ ampersands.
>
> I hand-write & by making a tall lower-case epsilon glyph and then
> drawing a solidus over it
At 01:21 -0400 2003-07-13, John Cowan wrote:
I hand-write & by making a tall lower-case epsilon glyph and then drawing
a solidus over it.
I just use the TIRONIAN SIGN ET.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
> "John" == John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> Not just mediaeval text; "&c." for "etc." (= "et cetera") was
John> common right through the 19th century if not later.
And picked up steam again online in the 1980s; groups.google.com
should have lots of examples of "&c".
-JimC
Michael Everson scripsit:
> >I hand-write & by making a tall lower-case epsilon glyph and then drawing
> >a solidus over it.
>
> I just use the TIRONIAN SIGN ET.
A good choice if you don't slash your DIGIT SEVENs and can make your
DIGIT ONEs sufficiently distinct.
--
Dream projects long deferr
John Cowan posted:
Not just mediaeval text; "&c." for "etc." (= "et cetera") was common
right through the 19th century if not later.
The combination _&c_ is still used. Search for "&c" in
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/consultations/environment/tacnh-00.asp for
example.
But in mentioning medieval
At 14:09 -0400 2003-07-13, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
>I hand-write & by making a tall lower-case epsilon glyph and then drawing
>a solidus over it.
I just use the TIRONIAN SIGN ET.
A good choice if you don't slash your DIGIT SEVENs and can make your
DIGIT ONEs sufficiently dis
Michael Everson scripsit:
> >A good choice if you don't slash your DIGIT SEVENs and can make your
> >DIGIT ONEs sufficiently distinct.
>
> Eh? I *do* slash my DIGITs SEVEN and I use a single vertical stroke
> from my DIGITs ONE. The TIRONIAN SIGN ET as used in Ireland has no
> horizontal stroke
At 16:21 -0400 2003-07-13, John Cowan wrote:
I should have said "do slash your DIGIT SEVENs". So the glyph in the
Unicode 3.0 book is not typical of Irish practice? It seems to have a
horizontal stroke all right.
It is utterly typical of Irish practice. I meant that it doesn't have
an additiona
Philippe Verdy wrote:
> All this discussion shows that there is an extremely large number of
> glyph variation for the ampersand which is both (at the abstract
> level) a symbol character, and a ligature of two lowercase abstract
> characters. But ligatures for the uppercase "ET" and titlecase "E
On Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:21 PM, John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Everson scripsit:
>
> > > A good choice if you don't slash your DIGIT SEVENs and can make
> > > your DIGIT ONEs sufficiently distinct.
> >
> > Eh? I *do* slash my DIGITs SEVEN and I use a single vertical stroke
>
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