Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-21 Thread Andrew C. West
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:33:24 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Andrew C. West scripsit: > > > These are glyph variants of Phags-pa letters that are used with semantic > > distinctiveness in a single (but very important) text, _Menggu Ziyun_ , a 14th > > century rhyming dictionary of Chinese in

Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-20 Thread jcowan
Andrew C. West scripsit: > These are glyph variants of Phags-pa letters that are used with semantic > distinctiveness in a single (but very important) text, _Menggu Ziyun_ , a 14th > century rhyming dictionary of Chinese in which Chinese ideographs are listed by > their Phags-pa spellings. In this

Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-20 Thread Andrew C. West
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:36:54 -0800, Asmus Freytag wrote: > > Currently, Variation Selectors work only one way. You could 'force' one > particular > shape. Leaving the VS off, gives you no restriction, leaving the software free > to give you either shape. W/o defining the use of two VSs you cannot

Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-20 Thread Peter Kirk
On 20/01/2004 00:36, Asmus Freytag wrote: ... Chinese ideographs don't quite fit either Andrews example or my reply - the nature of the problem is different due to both the large set of base characters and the (potentially) large number of (non-deterministic) variations -- together with the fac

Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-20 Thread Asmus Freytag
Just a few comments on Andrew's note: At 06:43 AM 1/19/2004, Andrew C. West wrote: An analogy for those not familiar with the Mongolian script is the much beloved long s, which is a positional glyph variant of the ordinary letter s for some languages at some periods of time. The long s does not n

Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-19 Thread Dean Snyder
Andrew C. West wrote at 6:43 AM on Monday, January 19, 2004: >Once the >rules have been established (hopefully soon), and incorporated into the fonts, >rendering engines and IMEs, then everything should work like a well-oiled >machine. Do legacy Mongolian electronic text systems work well? I ask,

Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-19 Thread Dean Snyder
Andrew C. West wrote at 6:43 AM on Monday, January 19, 2004: >Knowing nothing about Cuneiform, I can't say whether FVSs are a suitable >option >for Cuneiform or not, but if Dean is thinking about using FVSs like ordinary >Variation Selectors (i.e. applied manually by the user to select a distinct

Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-19 Thread Andrew C. West
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:23:31 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Dean Snyder wrote, > > > Tom Gewecke wrote at 2:26 PM on Sunday, January 18, 2004: > > ... > > > > > >Agreed. I can't imagine that anyone who has ever tried to actually do > > >anything with Unicode Mongolian would recommend varia

Re: Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-18 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 09:23 PM 1/18/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, it's my understanding that implementation guidelines for Mongolian script and Unicode are still being worked out. You are correct. A group of experts is currently working out a definite description of how Mongolian should work. All the issu

Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-18 Thread jameskass
. Dean Snyder wrote, > Tom Gewecke wrote at 2:26 PM on Sunday, January 18, 2004: > ... > > > >Agreed. I can't imagine that anyone who has ever tried to actually do > >anything with Unicode Mongolian would recommend variation selectors as an > >encoding technique, unless perhaps they wanted to m

Mongolian Unicoding (was Re: Cuneiform Free Variation Selectors)

2004-01-18 Thread jameskass
. Dean Snyder wrote, > SOMEONE at SOMETIME must have thought that free variation selectors were > a good idea for Mongolian in Unicode. If the thinking has changed on this > since then, I would love to hear about why it has changed. Is Mongolian > functioning well in Unicode or not? If not, what s