Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Peter Kirk
On 09/09/2004 15:07, John Cowan wrote: Peter Kirk scripsit: Names are sometimes inaccurate, viz. ZINOR and ZARQA and the infamous FHTORA. That doesn't change the meaning or utility of the character. Agreed. It simply changes, indeed destroys completely, the utility of the character nam

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread John Cowan
Peter Kirk scripsit: > >Names are sometimes inaccurate, viz. ZINOR and ZARQA and the infamous > >FHTORA. That doesn't change the meaning or utility of the character. > > Agreed. It simply changes, indeed destroys completely, the utility of > the character name. Not at all. As I've told you b

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread John Cowan
Andrew C. West scripsit: > "In principle when a character of a given script is used in more than one > language, no language name is specified. Exceptions are tolerated where an > ambiguity would otherwise result." [N2652R Annex L Rule 9] Indeed, but this begs the question of whether the characte

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin wrote: On 2004.09.09, 05:53, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FB1D, HEBREW LETTER YOD WITH HIRIQ, should be assigned to the unknown group. It is not a Hebrew character, notwithstanding the misleading name. Hmmm... Are you claiming that HEBREW LETTER YOD (the base char

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Andrew C. West
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:29:20 -0400, John Cowan wrote: > > Jony Rosenne scripsit: > > > The UTC refused to add Yiddish to the name, unlike the other Yiddish > > specialties, and I am not aware of any other possibility. > > Why should it? Incorporating a language name into a character name, > as i

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Peter Kirk
On 09/09/2004 13:31, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: ... Names are sometimes inaccurate, viz. ZINOR and ZARQA and the infamous FHTORA. That doesn't change the meaning or utility of the character. Agreed. It simply changes, indeed destroys completely, the utility of the character name. -- Peter Kirk [E

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
Jony Rosenne wrote: -Original Message- From: John Cowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:12 AM To: Jony Rosenne Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update Jony Rosenne scripsit: FB1D, HEBREW LETTER YOD WITH HIRIQ

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread John Cowan
Jony Rosenne scripsit: > The UTC refused to add Yiddish to the name, unlike the other Yiddish > specialties, and I am not aware of any other possibility. Why should it? Incorporating a language name into a character name, as in ABKHASIAN CHE and KHAKASSIAN CHE, is done because those languages ha

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Peter Kirk
On 09/09/2004 04:47, Jony Rosenne wrote: FB1D, HEBREW LETTER YOD WITH HIRIQ, should be assigned to the unknown group. It is not a Hebrew character, notwithstanding the misleading name. Nevertheless, it is canonically equivalent to the sequence <05D9, 05B4>, and this sequence is used in Hebrew,

RE: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Everson
At 10:23 +0300 2004-09-09, Jony Rosenne wrote: The UTC refused to add Yiddish to the name, unlike the other Yiddish specialties, and I am not aware of any other possibility. This complaint is as cosmetic as it is old and tiresome. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.c

RE: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Jony Rosenne
> -Original Message- > From: John Cowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:12 AM > To: Jony Rosenne > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update > > > Jony Rosenne scripsit: > > >

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin
On 2004.09.09, 05:53, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> FB1D, HEBREW LETTER YOD WITH HIRIQ, should be assigned to the >> unknown group. It is not a Hebrew character, notwithstanding the >> misleading name. > > Hmmm... Are you claiming that HEBREW LETTER YOD (the base character > of the codepoint U+FB1

RE: RE: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Jony Rosenne
I make no such claim. Jony > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: RE: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

RE: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Everson
At 06:47 +0300 2004-09-09, Jony Rosenne wrote: FB1D, HEBREW LETTER YOD WITH HIRIQ, should be assigned to the unknown group. It is not a Hebrew character, notwithstanding the misleading name. Of course it is. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: RE: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jony wrote, > FB1D, HEBREW LETTER YOD WITH HIRIQ, should be assigned to the > unknown group. It is not a Hebrew character, notwithstanding the > misleading name. Hmmm... Are you claiming that HEBREW LETTER YOD (the base character of the codepoint U+FB1D) is not a letter of the Hebrew script, an

Re: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-08 Thread John Cowan
Jony Rosenne scripsit: > FB1D, HEBREW LETTER YOD WITH HIRIQ, should be assigned to the unknown group. > It is not a Hebrew character, notwithstanding the misleading name. To anticipate Michael: Of course it is. It's not used in the Hebrew language, perhaps; but the Hebrew script is used for oth

RE: Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-08 Thread Jony Rosenne
FB1D, HEBREW LETTER YOD WITH HIRIQ, should be assigned to the unknown group. It is not a Hebrew character, notwithstanding the misleading name. Jony

Public Review Issue: UAX #24 Proposed Update

2004-09-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Unicode Technical Committee has posted a new issue for public review and comment. Details are on the following web page: http://www.unicode.org/review/ Review periods for the new items close on November 8, 2004. Please see the page for links to discussion and relevant documents. Brie