Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Human writing did not originate as plain text, and at the surface
level, it is never "plain text": it always has some specific physical
appearance, and abstract "plain text" can only be found below the
surface, as the underlying data format where only character identit
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 13:15, Doug Ewell wrote:
> Your handwritten A and mine may look different, and both may differ from a
> typewritten A, but they have something in common that allows us to identify
> them with each other.
I have problems with this argument too. For example, consider the
f
Re: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text
From: Leonardo Boiko (leobo...@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Aug 10 2010 - 13:05:36 CDT
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 13:15, Doug Ewell wrote:
>> Your handwritten A and mine may look different, and both may differ>> from a
>> typewri
Leonardo Boiko wrote:
There’s some information lost when we render our “plain text” as
ancient text. Similarly, there’s some information lost when we render
handwritten text, typeset text, or computer “rich text” to plain text.
It seems to me these two losses are different only in degree, no
On Aug 11, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Doug Ewell wrote:
> But to imply that because text always has a specific appearance, determining
> the underlying plain text is an artificial process that was imposed on us by
> computers seems wrong. We (meaning "readers of alphabetic scripts, at least
> Latin an
Earlier this morning I tried writing a poem intended to use alternate ending
glyphs.
I hope that readers will enjoy reading it. For reasons of correctness at the
present time, I have used U+EE0F, which is from the Private Use Area, rather
than U+FE0F, which is what would be used if my suggesti
...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf
Of William_J_G Overington
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Subject: Re: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text
Earlier this morning I tried writing a poem intended to use
Thank you for taking the time to produce the pdf and thank you also for sharing
the result.
I had not known of the Gabriola font previously.
I found the following page on the web.
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx?FID=372
Best regards
William Overington
12 August 20
ngton; Unicode Mailing List
Subject: RE: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text
See the attached PDF showing Unicode 5.2 text set in Word 2010 using the
Gabriola font with line-ending characters formatted with the Stylistic Set 7
OpenType Feature. No PUA; no variation selectors. Just flouri
On Thursday 12 August 2010, Peter Constable wrote:
> Someone contacted me offline
> expressing their disappointment at missing ligatures. These
> are turned off by default in Office 2010 to avoid
> compatibility issues when viewing documents created on
> earlier versions. I've redone the doc, th
You seem to be missing a couple of important points here which Peter is
illustrating.
First of all, what you want to do can be done with existing technology.
There's no need to add variation selectors or other mechanisms to achieve your
goal.
Secondly, fonts are themselves works of art, and a
On Wednesday 11 August 2010, Doug Ewell wrote:
> Maybe (though I don't personally believe so) the concept of "plain text" has
> become so passé that William's variation selectors for swash e's, and
> additional ligatures, and weather reporting codes, and Portable Interpretable
> Object Code m
On Monday 16 August 2010, I wrote:
> Suppose that the author decides to use g U+EE09, which has the following
> clearance matrix requirement.
>
> (0, 0)
> (2, 1)
I have now devised a collection of clearance matrix requirements for accessing
alternate glyphs for the letter g from plain text.
On 8/6/2010 2:03 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote:
On Thursday, 5 August 2010, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
I am thinking of where a poet might specify an ending version of a glyph at the
end of the last word on some lines, yet not on others, for poetic effect. I
think that it would be good i
On Aug 6, 2010, at 3:03 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote:
> The standards organizations have a great opportunity to advance typography by
> defining some of the Latin letter plus variation selector pairs so that
> alternate glyphs within a font may be accessed directly from plain text.
>
This
Thank you for replying.
On Friday 6 August 2010, Asmus Freytag wrote:
> What you mean are artistic or stylistic variants.
>
> These have certain problems, see here for an explanation:
> http://www.unicode.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=221#p221
>
> A./
> >Â Â
I have read and reread the forum
Thank you for replying.
On Friday 6 August 2010, John H. Jenkins wrote:
> This is another case of a solution in search of a problem.
No, the problem is that one cannot at present, as far as I know, access
alternate glyphs of an advanced format font from a plain text file.
> It isn't Unico
"William_J_G Overington"
wrote:
I cannot understand from that text, or otherwise at the time of
writing this reply, why it would not be possible to have an alternate
ending glyph for a letter e accessible from plain text using an
advanced font technology font (for example, an OpenType font)
On Aug 7, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Doug Ewell wrote:
> I'd like to see an FAQ page on "What is Plain Text?" written primarily by UTC
> officers. That might go a long way toward resolving the differences between
> William's interpretation of what plain text is, which people like me think is
> too br
John H. Jenkins wrote:
The basic idea is that "plain text" is the minimum amount of
information to process the given language in a "normal" way.
That's a bit vague. We don't normally "process" languages; we read texts.
Whether font or color variation is essential for understanding really
dep
Thank you for replying.
On Saturday, 7 August 2010, Doug Ewell wrote:
> I think the "alternate ending glyph" is supposed to be
> specified in more detail than that. The example Asmus
> gave was U+222A UNION with serifs. Even though the exact
> proportions of the serifs may differ from one fon
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