RE: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-10-06 Thread Peter Constable
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Asmus Freytag Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:01 PM Functionally, the symbol is not a breve. Visually, the sample does not look like a standard breve, and the font resource cited matches the style of the sample according

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-10-02 Thread Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin
On 2004.10.02, 00:30, Kenneth Whistler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the *obvious* alternative: U+0367 COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER U ... you just design a ligature in it to represent the sequence 0062, 0367, 0067. This seems indeed the best way to go (IMOVVHO), *if* the said squiggle is indeed

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-10-02 Thread Jörg Knappen
Michael Everson schrieb: I assumed that the curly thing used over the letter u in German handwriting was a breve (not a combining u superimposed over a u), and so in these examples though the u is deleted, its breve is not. I agree with Michael, that the thing is a breve -- however with an

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-10-02 Thread Philipp Reichmuth
Jörg Knappen schrieb: 1) Add one new character, ZERO WIDTH INVISIBLE LETTER, I strongly prefer solution 1 because it is fully general with a minimum of effort added. It can also handle TeX's tie accent. TeX's tie accent is an inverted right shifted breve above -- that's how it is implemented in

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-10-02 Thread Philipp Reichmuth
Jörg Knappen schrieb: The thing is used in some transliteration of russian, where the letter ya is transcribed as \t{\ia}, i. e. an inverted breve placed between a dotless i (\i) and a. A sample can be found in Donald E. Knuth, the TeXbook. Just looked up the example in the TeXbook where this

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-10-01 Thread Philipp Reichmuth
Asmus Freytag schrieb: see no reason given for us not to unify the handwritten symbol we have seen with BREVE ABOVE. The map sample may have been hand lettered, however, there's no evidence that suggests that the usage is limited to handwriting. On the contrary, we have heard from at least

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-10-01 Thread Kenneth Whistler
At 06:04 PM 9/30/2004, Michael Everson wrote: see no reason given for us not to unify the handwritten symbol we have seen with BREVE ABOVE. and Asmus responded: Functionally, the symbol is not a breve. Visually, the sample does not look like a standard breve, and the font resource

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-10-01 Thread Michael Everson
I assumed that the curly thing used over the letter u in German handwriting was a breve (not a combining u superimposed over a u), and so in these examples though the u is deleted, its breve is not. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-30 Thread Asmus Freytag
Otto Stolz wrote: As has been said before, in this thread (by Jörg Knappen, IIRC), the little bow in the -burg abbreviation stems from the u stripped together with the r. In German handwriting it used to be common to place a mark above the letter 'u', to distinguish it from 'n'. When I first saw

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-30 Thread Michael Everson
I see no reason given for us not to unify the handwritten symbol we have seen with BREVE ABOVE. In the environment described, apparently bg is taken as an abbreviation for berg, and b˜g (with breve) is being used as an abbreviation for burg. The breve is the same as was used in German to

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-30 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 06:04 PM 9/30/2004, Michael Everson wrote: see no reason given for us not to unify the handwritten symbol we have seen with BREVE ABOVE. In the environment described, apparently bg is taken as an abbreviation for berg, and b˜g (with breve) is being used as an abbreviation for burg. The

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-29 Thread Gerd Schumacher
There is such a breve in the Italic Cyrillic fonts of Linguistsoftware http://linguistsoftware.com/tc.htm Gerd Peter Kirk wrote: On 26/09/2004 11:16, Jörg Knappen wrote: ... Note the fancy semi-cyrillic shape of the breve between the letters b and g -- it is quite typical for this

Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-26 Thread Jörg Knappen
I have scanned a sample of the german -burg abbreviature. It is from Diercke Weltatlas, 165. Auflage, Georg Westermann Verlag, Braunschweig 1972, card page 14. In the north you can find two times the -berg abbreviature in Herrenbg. [Herrenberg] and Brombg. [Bromberg]. SW from Tuebingen you find

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-26 Thread Adam Twardoch
From: Jörg Knappen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have scanned a sample of the german -burg abbreviature. It is from Diercke Weltatlas, 165. Auflage, Georg Westermann Verlag, Braunschweig 1972, card page 14. Very interesting! It would be even more interesting if you told us the URL so we can actually

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-26 Thread Johannes Bergerhausen
Note the fancy semi-cyrillic shape of the breve between the letters b and g -- it is quite typical for this cartographic font. The font is called Kursivschrift from the Bayerisches Landesvermessungsamt from 1967. I found it in the Berthold Types catalogue from 1988. There is an italic and a very

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-26 Thread Jörg Knappen
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Adam Twardoch wrote: From: Jörg Knappen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have scanned a sample of the german -burg abbreviature. It is from Diercke Weltatlas, 165. Auflage, Georg Westermann Verlag, Braunschweig 1972, card page 14. Very interesting! It would be even more

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-26 Thread Michael Everson
At 19:05 +0200 2004-09-26, Jörg Knappen wrote: I have scanned a sample of the german -burg abbreviature. It is from Diercke Weltatlas, 165. Auflage, Georg Westermann Verlag, Braunschweig 1972, card page 14. Very interesting! It would be even more interesting if you told us the URL so we

Re: Sample of german -burg abbreviature

2004-09-26 Thread Philipp Reichmuth
Johannes Bergerhausen schrieb: Note the fancy semi-cyrillic shape of the breve between the letters b and g -- it is quite typical for this cartographic font. The font is called Kursivschrift from the Bayerisches Landesvermessungsamt from 1967. I found it in the Berthold Types catalogue from 1988.