Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-19 Thread Manuel Strehl
Hello, I'm looking for a data source, that maps countries to scripts used in them. The target application is a visualization in the context of my codepoints.net site, namely http://codepoints.net/scripts. At the moment I've extracted the prefered scripts from CLDR (e.g., Cyrl for Russia, Latn for

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-19 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 8/19/2012 4:05 PM, Manuel Strehl wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a data source, that maps countries to scripts used in them. The target application is a visualization in the context of my codepoints.net site, namely http://codepoints.net/scripts. At the moment I've extracted the prefered scrip

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread Manuel Strehl
Thanks for the answer. It's clear to me, that I could map "Hana" and "Kata" to "US" just for the sake of having a Japanese Minority in the states. Of course, the mapping must be sensible in a way, that is, explain, how the mapping is done. I'd be fine, I guess, with having all official languages a

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Ewell
Manuel Strehl wrote: It's clear to me, that I could map "Hana" and "Kata" to "US" just for the sake of having a Japanese Minority in the states. This might not work too well, since the ISO 15924 code elements you're thinking of are "Hira" and "Kana". Of course, the mapping must be sensible

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread Manuel Strehl
> This might not work too well, since the ISO 15924 code elements you're > thinking of are "Hira" and "Kana". This awkward moment... I'm trying to figure out, what I was thinking of with "Hana". >> Of course, the mapping must be sensible in a way, that is, explain, >> how the mapping is done. I'd

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread Mark Davis ☕
Cldr has both of those, at least for official and defacto-official languages. {phone} On Aug 20, 2012 4:03 PM, "Manuel Strehl" wrote: > > This might not work too well, since the ISO 15924 code elements you're > > thinking of are "Hira" and "Kana". > > This awkward moment... I'm trying to figure

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread Ed Trager
IMO, mapping scripts at the level of whole countries is, for many if not most countries, too crude. In India --one example among many we could name-- it would be much more informative to map at at least the level of states and territories. WRT figuring out language->script mappings, remember that

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 8/20/2012 12:04 AM, Manuel Strehl wrote: Thanks for the answer. It's clear to me, that I could map "Hana" and "Kata" to "US" just for the sake of having a Japanese Minority in the states. Of course, the mapping must be sensible in a way, that is, explain, how the mapping is done. I'd be fine,

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:05:54 +0200 Manuel Strehl wrote: > For example, Russia has only Cyrl associated, while, as far as I can > tell, at least Latn and Arab should also be mentioned, also perhaps > some historic scripts. As has been pointed out, you'll have to be careful what your criteria are

RE: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Ewell
Richard Wordingham wrote: > As has been pointed out, you'll have to be careful what your criteria > are, or else you'll end up with Latn wherever there's been internet > access, Arab wherever there are Moslems, and Hebr wherever there are > open Jews. How do you handle Classical Greek inscription

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/8/20 Asmus Freytag : > On 8/20/2012 12:04 AM, Manuel Strehl wrote: >> >> Thanks for the answer. >> >> It's clear to me, that I could map "Hana" and "Kata" to "US" just for >> the sake of having a Japanese Minority in the states. Actually the Japanese language is normally written in the "Jpan"

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-20 Thread David Starner
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Ed Trager wrote: > IMO, mapping scripts at the level of whole countries is, for many if > not most countries, too crude. In India --one example among many we > could name-- it would be much more informative to map at at least the > level of states and territories.

RE: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Erkki I Kolehmainen
A side remark: Europe also writes Greek. Sincerely, Erkki -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] Puolesta David Starner Lähetetty: 21. elokuuta 2012 2:53 Vastaanottaja: Unicode Mailing List Aihe: Re: Searching data: map countries

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread David Starner
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote: > A side remark: Europe also writes Greek. And Armenian, and Georgian. Georgia is interesting here; 71% speak Georgian natively, and less then 10% speak each Russian, Armenian and Azeri, which is probably written in either Cyrillic or L

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
David Starner, Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:52:44 -0700: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Ed Trager wrote: >> IMO, mapping scripts at the level of whole countries is, for many if >> not most countries, too crude. In India --one example among many we >> could name-- it would be much more informative to m

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Manuel Strehl
First of all, thanks for all the answers. It's quite interesting for me to learn, that data here is such fragmented. As calligrapher, who once was delighted to learn about the Latf script tag in the context of RFC 5646 et al., I guess I was way too naive when starting the scripts part of codepoint

RE: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Ewell
Manuel Strehl wrote: > It's quite interesting for me to learn, that data here is such > fragmented. If the data is fragmented, it's because the concept is somewhat fragmented. As others have pointed out, while mapping scripts to languages may be comparatively straightforward, mapping languages t

RE: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Jonathan Rosenne
Behalf Of Manuel Strehl > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:58 PM > To: Unicode Mailing List > Subject: Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts > > First of all, thanks for all the answers. > > It's quite interesting for me to learn, that data here is such > fra

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Robert Wheelock
egards, > > Jony Rosenne > > > -Original Message- > > From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] > > On Behalf Of Manuel Strehl > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:58 PM > > To: Unicode Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Searching da

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Robert Wheelock, Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:56:26 -0400: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jonathan Rosenne wrote: > >> I can state that for Israel the scripts in common use are Hebrew, Latin >> (mainly for English but also for several other languages), Arabic and >> Cyrillic. > —Reply— > I do believe

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Ewell
Leif Halvard Silli wrote (quoting Jony and Robert): I can state that for Israel the scripts in common use are Hebrew, Latin (mainly for English but also for several other languages), Arabic and Cyrillic. I do believe that Israel and Palestine (the Gaza Strip and West Bank areas) also use the G

RE: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Jonathan Rosenne
8 AM > To: Robert Wheelock > Cc: Jonathan Rosenne; unicode@unicode.org > Subject: Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts > > Robert Wheelock, Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:56:26 -0400: > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jonathan Rosenne wrote: > > > >> I can state

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Santhosh Thottingal
FWIW, One of the project by Wikimedia foundation, the Universal Language Selector project has Language-Script-Region mapping for 600+ languages. A stand alone version of this project is available at http://translatewiki.net/w/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector/lib/jquery.uls/examples/ More info

RE: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Phillips, Addison
Doug opined: > > >>> I can state that for Israel the scripts in common use are Hebrew, > >>> Latin (mainly for English but also for several other languages), > >>> Arabic and Cyrillic. > >> > >> I do believe that Israel and Palestine (the Gaza Strip and West Bank > >> areas) also use the Greek alp

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Ewell
Phillips, Addison wrote: How useful a country->script mapping is depends on what you're using it for. It is no better, in any case, than an approximation. But it may still be a useful approximation. Your nail, tree, or jelly may vary in consistency. Exactly. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorad

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-22 Thread Mark Davis ☕
My thought exactly; people seem to be going off in the weeds. Someone in transit in the Auckland Airport in a moment of weakness took who Pendulums, Astrology and Runes class. Does that mark New Zealand as using the Runic script? The stated goal of the original question was around mapping countri

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-22 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Mark Davis ☕ wrote: > My thought exactly; people seem to be going off in the weeds. > > Someone in transit in the Auckland Airport in a moment of weakness took who > Pendulums, Astrology and Runes class. Does that mark New Zealand as using > the Runic script? > >

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-22 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Mark Davis ☕, Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:30:26 +0200: > Here are the charts; the machine-readable data is in XML. > > http://unicode.org/repos/cldr-tmp/trunk/diff/supplemental/territory_language_information.html > > http://unicode.org/repos/cldr-tmp/trunk/diff/supplemental/languages_and_scripts.html

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-22 Thread Johannes Bergerhausen
Am 22.08.2012 um 09:30 schrieb Mark Davis ☕: > As a first approximation, the data in CLDR could be used to map countries to > languages, and languages to scripts. Here are the charts; the > machine-readable data is in XML. This is exactly what we are doing for the next update of www.decodeunic

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-22 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
David Starner, Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:55:25 -0700: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Mark Davis ☕ wrote: >> My thought exactly; people seem to be going off in the weeds. >> >> Someone in transit in the Auckland Airport in a moment of weakness took who >> Pendulums, Astrology and Runes class. Does

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-22 Thread Otto Stolz
Hello Manuel, am 2012-08-20 01:05, schrieb Manuel Strehl: I'm looking for a data source, that maps countries to scripts used in them. The target application is a visualization in the context of my codepoints.net site, namely http://codepoints.net/scripts. At the moment I've extracted the prefer

Re: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-23 Thread Manuel Strehl
That's great news. I'm really looking forward to see Decode Unicode having v6.0 displayed. (By the way: The initial idea to display scripts and hence codepoints geographically came from Decode Unicode's solution.) Manuel 2012/8/22 Johannes Bergerhausen : > Am 22.08.2012 um 09:30 schrieb Mark Dav

Re: [unicode] RE: Searching data: map countries to scripts

2012-08-21 Thread suzuki toshiya
Phillips, Addison wrote: > How useful a country->script mapping is depends on what you're using it for. Strongly I sympathize the comment "it depends on the purpose of the database". It would be possible to find the script(s) used in the official documents made by the current government of a coun