Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-12 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Saturday 10 November 2012, John Knightley john.knight...@gmail.com wrote: Whilst using the PUA is far from perfect at the end of the day it is better than the alternative of not using the PUA. Yes. The Private Use Area is a very useful facility in that it allows characters of one's own

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-12 Thread vanisaac
William, I think you have a unreasonable idea of what a standard actually is. You have already made a standard and published it - I've seen all the posts at the FCP forum. All you have to do is let people use it. If a user community is going to exchange data, they will do so, and it just plain

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-10 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Thursday 8 November 2012, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: 2012/11/8 William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com: However, an encoding using a Private Use Area encoding has great problems in being implemented as a widespread system. Wrong, this is what has been made

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-10 Thread john knightley
Whilst using the PUA is far from perfect at the end of the day it is better than the alternative of not using the PUA. Regards John On 10 Nov 2012 17:37, William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: On Thursday 8 November 2012, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: 2012/11/8

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-10 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/11/10 john knightley john.knight...@gmail.com: Whilst using the PUA is far from perfect at the end of the day it is better than the alternative of not using the PUA. Regards John On 10 Nov 2012 17:37, William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: On Thursday 8 November

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-09 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/11/9 Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com: Actually, there are certain instances where characters are encoded based on expected usage. Currency symbols are a well known case for that, but there have been instances of phonetic characters encoded in order to facilitate creation and

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-09 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 11/9/2012 7:14 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: 2012/11/9 Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com: Actually, there are certain instances where characters are encoded based on expected usage. Currency symbols are a well known case for that, but there have been instances of phonetic characters encoded

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-08 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/11/8 William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com: However, an encoding using a Private Use Area encoding has great problems in being implemented as a widespread system. Wrong, this is what has been made during centuries if not millenium ! Initially a private use definition, which was

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-08 Thread john knightley
One key criteris for inclusion in Unicode is that a character or symbol be in circulation. Whether these are hand written, printed or electronic. If one creates a new a new character then one first must get others to use it, this takes time. John On 8 Nov 2012 14:57, William_J_G Overington

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-08 Thread Asmus Freytag
I'm not sure I follow this analysis. A./ On 11/8/2012 1:30 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: 2012/11/8 William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com: However, an encoding using a Private Use Area encoding has great problems in being implemented as a widespread system. Wrong, this is what has

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-08 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 11/08/2012 01:48 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: ... collect examples of these in print ... Mark E. Shoulson m...@kli.org wrote: We don't encode it would be nice/useful. We encode *characters*, glyphs that people use (yes, I know I

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-08 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 11/8/2012 4:39 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: On 11/08/2012 01:48 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: ... collect examples of these in print ... Mark E. Shoulson m...@kli.org wrote: We don't encode it would be nice/useful. We encode *characters*,

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-08 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 11/08/2012 09:00 PM, Asmus Freytag wrote: On 11/8/2012 4:39 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: I stand by it: we don't encode what would be cool to have. We encode what people *use*. Actually, there are certain instances where characters are encoded based on expected usage. ... What these

The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: ... collect examples of these in print ... Mark E. Shoulson m...@kli.org wrote: We don't encode it would be nice/useful.  We encode *characters*, glyphs that people use (yes, I know I conflated glyphs and characters there.) ...  Unicode isn't a