I think it far more likely that the guys that did the sidewalk simply
chopped through all of the tree roots on that side of the tree, thus
destabilizing them and making them helpless to resist the high winds of the
storm. This theory is supported by the fact that when the trees fell, the
roots
I don't think the job was done only a month
ago..but lets find out.
When I drove by I noticed much of the root
system had been covered with cement.
S
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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007
I agree Lew. I now believe it was a combination, what percentage...
I am not sure.
My reason for posting the comment was to make aware neighbors
who are planning to replace their sidewalks or may have neighbors
who are replacing sidewalks, of the dangers of..now..chopping roots
and the lack of
What a shame; the block really looks bare ... and cementy.
Regards,
John Ellingsworth
S. Sharrieff Ali wrote:
Woops! Another crime of omission.
S
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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 6:11 AM
Mike VanHelder wrote:
I think it far more likely that the guys that did the sidewalk simply
chopped through all of the tree roots on that side of the tree, thus
destabilizing them and making them helpless to resist the high winds of the
storm. This theory is supported by the fact that when the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) Beam, what makes you more delusional, today's bright sun or wonderful
temperatures.
:-D
[btw, I meant it was thrilling for a moment to be ROSS, who
wondered the other day if he was the only sane one left. as
far as the va tech shootings, I got as far as
I heard the same explanation that Mike has for this from one of my
local tree hugging friends.
Undersized tree pits/openings in pavement are a real problem for many street
trees because the roots need a border of permeable surface around the trunk
to absorb rain water.
Drought periods
S. Sharrieff Ali wrote:
Now we have something valuable for the local zoning committees to look
at.
or maybe something valuable for uc green to look into
(pruning and thinning).
..
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
[aka laserbeam®]
[aka ray]
SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.
Several Stonely Court residents reported on the West Philly livejournal group
that when the sidewalk was replaced contractors sawed through the roots that
were buckling the pavement and removed them so that the new sidewalk would lay
flat. One of them said that she went outside and spoke to the
I'm not one for litigation so much, but there needs to be some recourse here.
If there is writing or photos or even witnesses who saw the contractors
sawing roots, they need to be brought to task and something needs to be made
right. Those trees stood for decades without falling. 2 months of
Though they are currently two absolutely awesome bike ramps there now that you
should be able to get four feet of air off of, and land right in the middle of
Melville street.
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To: S.
Woops! Another crime of omission.
S
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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 6:11 AM
To: John Ellingsworth
Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Trees on 4500 Walnut Street
I think it far
Ray wrote:
we're all still in agreement; first the local vendors vacated the
firehouse, then dockstreet was installed. ie, dock street's installation
at the firehouse meant that the local vendors had to move elsewhere first.
False. This is the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy -- the
Is the intellectual event of the year, the first annual University City/West
Philadelphia Poetry reading at the Metropolitan, organized by Kyle Cassiday,
moving forward or is it off?
If it's off, I'll try to convince, cajole, or con Sumner A Ingmark into
letting his still unravished bride
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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:15 PM
To: University City List
Subject: [UC] Re: Considering the Facts
Ray wrote:
we're all still in agreement; first the local vendors vacated the
firehouse,
Phillip:
I am quite sure the car insurance companies would be interested!
I spoke with a friend who is an arborist, she said it was most
likely a combination of lack of water and chopping of roots. If the
trees had larger pits and were able to get more water, the trees
would fight to survive
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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:15 PM
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Subject: [UC] Re: Considering the Facts
Ray wrote:
we're all still in agreement; first the local vendors vacated the
firehouse,
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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:43 PM
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Subject: [UC] Is the UC/WP Poetry reading at the Metropolitan off?
Is the intellectual event of the year, the first
Great opportunity for UC-Green.
S
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ellingsworth
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:12 PM
To: S. Sharrieff Ali
Cc: 'Mike VanHelder'; 'John Ellingsworth'; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Trees on
Someone private-mailed me and accused me of dime-dropping on the
whoever
with LI and asked me to post a clarification.
I don't plan to dime-drop on anyone, not my place. I plan to check
with
LI to see what the regulations are, what forms are used.
I keep seeing sidewalks with cement all
Also, I happen to know of a woman who lost her husband and unborn child due
to a tree falling on the car her family was riding in, she was seriously
injured but lived. Not a happy picture. It was just lucky the trees didn't
kill anyone.
So WAS someone killed or was someone NOT killed? You
Perhaps if any of the tree experts on the list know, it would be helpful to
post guidance on the accepted standards for tree openings in sidewalks.
The trees no doubt would prefer no concrete at all. It seems obvious that
laying the concrete up against the trunk is really bad. But what is
That's easy, you build up your frame a little higher and make the sidewalk
thicker. They don't have to be perfectly level either. None of these
sidewalks in Philly are. It's just a little bit more material usage, but in
the end, like in most situations, a little more investment, patience and
The way I read it, Sharrieff Ali knows someone whose husband and unborn
child died in a car that a tree fell on.
The tree(s?) that fell last week could have hurt or killed someone, and
it was just luck that we're not discussing a memorial service instead of
wondering what the reg.s
Thanks Lew..and yes..you read correctly, 2 people died.
I have a friend who is a medical professional and is
currently treating the wife who mis-carried her child
during the accident and her husband died from his
tree-crash injuries.
If people were in the cars on Walnut Street when the
trees
One day I was was walking along Baltimore Avenue in Clark Park when -- wham!
I turned around and saw a huge tree branch from an ageing London plane, as
thick as a human body, had crashed down on the sidewalk. A woman was
standing near me, staring at the branch in a daze. About six seconds
In a message dated 4/22/2007 7:29:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Someone private-mailed me and accused me of “dime-dropping” on the “whoever
”
with LI and asked me to post a clarification.
Are you stating a participant on this listserv tried to intimidate you
Dear Craig,
Thanks for the info, but it might be important to know that the city does
not cede the right of walkway to the existence of or desire for trees.
Most residential blocks in the city require a paved walkway that is 5'
wide.
Many commercial blocks require more width. The largest
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