Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-02 Thread Frank Carroll
I remember that!! I think I called attention to the incident on the list after seeing it on Andrew's Malcolm X. Park blog and the Daily News. (Andrew later apologized for causing trouble.) Kyle may not have thought it was important enough to discuss but Fenton was eventually fired over it, so I

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-02 Thread Frank Carroll
Maybe but I have said this a few times in the past—when UCNeighbors was first started, in fact—and it has not happened yet. F On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Brian Siano wrote: > Frank, I'll make you a bet: that in the very near future, people on this list > will take your "I think he did it to a

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-02 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Frank Carroll wrote: If I remember correctly—and I'm sure that I do—Kyle started his "personal" listserv less than a week before his book was released. I always suspected that he did it to avoid any discussion about the book's subject matter. In that sense I agree with you. I don't think he can e

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-02 Thread Brian Siano
Frank, I'll make you a bet: that in the very near future, people on this list will take your "I think he did it to avoid discussion of his book" speculation, and treat it as a given fact. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Frank Carroll wrote: > If I remember correctly—and I'm sure that I do—Kyle

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Frank Carroll
If I remember correctly—and I'm sure that I do—Kyle started his "personal" listserv less than a week before his book was released. I always suspected that he did it to avoid any discussion about the book's subject matter. In that sense I agree with you. I don't think he can easily deal with disa

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Anthony West
Sure, Kimm. Snide is good enough. He didn't "put the community through turmoil" that I could see. The community (specifically the community around 40th & Pine, not your community or mine) was faced with a stark choice between Tom Lussenhop's mediocre highrise hotel and your ugly, crumbling der

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Kimm Tynan
Tony, Wow ­ you think what I said was nasty? Snide, maybe, but in that case I¹d better stay over here. Given the turmoil he put this community through, I think it was pretty mild. There¹s a difference between ³conflict and confrontation² and ³nastiness and incivility.² But those distinctions g

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Brian Siano
This is as disgusting a piece of revisionist history as I've ever seen. Kyle's style may be "freewheeling," but it certainly never reached anything like the insults and angry invective that many others have used on _this_ list. As I recall it, Kyle attempted to reply to Glenn's points calmly and ra

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Wilma de Soto wrote: As an original member of the SHCA Listserv and its subsequent UnivCity Listserv, I will never believe UCNeighbors was not formed in order to discredit and shut down the UnivCity Listserv@ purple. kyle set up his listserv towards the end of july 2007 after being on this l

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Wilma de Soto
Dear Tony, Did you write to me in order to inform me that you belong to many listservs as do I, or try to convince me that UCNeighbors REALLY wanted me to join when I was told otherwise after I called them out when they originally formed the other listserv. Perhaps you are trying to convince me a

Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread m . politzer
Title: Re: [UC] Drug pushers in the NYTimes Wilma,I agree with Tony. I belong to both listservs (univcity and UCNeighbors), but find univcity less and less useful or civil. UCNeighbors is more active and I find the dialog more engaging and community-oriented.Please come join us.Margie Apr 1, 2010

[UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)

2010-04-01 Thread Anthony West
Wilma, Since a lot of people, like myself, subscribe to both lists (actually I'm on four neighborhood lists), there's no "they" vs. "we". There are just two different products out there, for any of us to patronize as we choose. Some people don't want to subscribe to multiple listserves for t