Tony, Wow you think what I said was nasty? Snide, maybe, but in that case I¹d better stay over here. Given the turmoil he put this community through, I think it was pretty mild. There¹s a difference between ³conflict and confrontation² and ³nastiness and incivility.² But those distinctions get lost on a lot of people. And just for the record: (1) I said nothing about Tom Lussenhop, only about his hotel, and (2) I went to a fair amount of trouble to actually give him an answer to his question. One private commenter thought I was too generous.
Kimm On 4/1/10 4:26 PM, "Anthony West" <anthony_w...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Wilma, > > Since a lot of people, like myself, subscribe to both lists (actually I'm on > four neighborhood lists), there's no "they" vs. "we". There are just two > different products out there, for any of us to patronize as we choose. > > Some people don't want to subscribe to multiple listserves for the same > community. (They'd rather not see their inbox flooded by the same post in > three different emails, for instance.) In that case, the listserve with the > greater traffic -- particularly traffic about the neighborhood -- is surely > the more useful. Almost by definition, it represents the neighborhood better. > > One might still keep a membership on the less-popular listserve, if it gives > information not available on the more-popular listserve -- particularly if it > facilitates a specific kind of neighborhood communication that is hard to get > on the more-popular one. In this case, having read both Kyle Cassidy's UC list > and Villanova's UC list for a few years now, my take is the "purple" list > reliably fosters personal attack, intentional misinformation and extremist > hysteria on neighborhood issues. > > It's more about the process than the people. The same people, writing on the > same issues on UCNeighbors, write with more gentleness, more receptivity and > more nuance than they do on Purple. I include myself in this criticism. > > Listserves generally die with a whimper, not a bang, and that's how Purple > seems to be dying. I still see, from time to time, useful threads about > household services that don't appear on UCNeighbors. But I see more useful > threads about household services overall on UCNeighbors now than I do on > Purple. > > The only threads that flourish on Purple rather than UCNeighbors are those > that favor querulous complaints about how bad A is or B is. Thus, in this > recent statistic-boosting spate, I note that I made a nasty comment about > Glenn (en passant) and that Kimm made a nasty comment about Tom (in yo face) > and that Wilma induces a global nasty comment by me about all Purple readers > (not there at all) ... par for the course. > > Anyone who prefers to relate to their neighbors in this manner will find > Purple more congenial than UCNeighbors. Anyone who does not prefer to relate > to their neighbors in this manner will find UCNeighbors more congenial than > Purple, in my estimation. > > So I do think this product is broken and I have no idea how to fix it, unless > it's willing to bite the bullet and appoint a moderator of its own. But I'll > continue to read it and post on it, if I think I can make a comment that is > helpful. I always appreciate your posts, Wilma. > > -- Tony West > > > > On 3/31/2010 9:54 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote: >> Re: [UC] Drug pushers in the NYTimes Wow! THAT¹S a slap in the face. >> >> Thank you kindly for showing us who the better people are who have >> higher-quality neighborhood input. Since I have been a member of this >> listserv since its inception, apparently I can rest assured that I would not >> be considered as such; especially since I am not a member of the UCNeighbors >> listserv. >> >> Mogadishu, indeed! Perhaps it was not your intent to appear hurtful, elitist >> and disrespectful amongst other things, especially in light of the subject of >> civility raised earlier, but I do perceive it this way because there is not >> much room for benefit of the doubt anymore. >> >> Snide remarks about the persons who belong to this listserv, since the >> formation of UCNeighbors has gone a bit too far in my opinion. You have >> UCNeighbors...fine! Isn¹t that enough without denigrating this listserv or >> are we all just supposed to not post, drop dead or leave the neighborhood? >> What IS it they want from us? >> >> Come front street with it once and for all. > >
