Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins

2011-09-22 Thread Keith Clarke
Indeed so - and until/unless they do, there is a big hole in LiveCode's web deployment capability - and it'll only going to get bigger and affect more platforms if Windows 8 / IE10 does go down the no-plugins route. However, maybe they don't need to 'boil the whole ocean at once'. Whilst it

Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins

2011-09-22 Thread Pierre Sahores
Keith, Le 22 sept. 2011 à 09:56, Keith Clarke a écrit : Obviously, any technical architect reading the above will realise that I've no idea what I'm talking about ;-) The only constraint to get in mind to achieve your proposal in a clean and rock-solid way is that the stack's to

Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins

2011-09-22 Thread Keith Clarke
Thanks for the sense-check Pierre - good to know that the concept isn't pure fantasy! :-) Yes, there is some complexity, but given what the RunRev team are achieving with the engine, iOS and Android ports and LiveCode Server, I'm certain that they could solve this - given the appropriate

Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins

2011-09-22 Thread Admin
If only the web deployment module could output to either Ajax, Air, Flex or HTML5 this would no longer be an issue. Mike On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:44:02 +0100, Keith Clarke wrote: Thanks for the sense-check Pierre - good to know that the concept isn't pure fantasy! :-) Yes, there is

Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins

2011-09-22 Thread Keith Clarke
...the issue is that there is currently no LiveCode web deployment module - there's only the proprietary, thick-client, LiveCode Player browser plugin, with its specific OS and browser dependencies. Hopefully, the RunRev team won't replace their Player with alternative proprietary

Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins

2011-09-22 Thread Richard Gaskin
Keith Clarke wrote: But even if it isn't easy, if RunRev don't grasp the nettle on this, developers who must deploy standards-based rich apps into cloud and locked-down Enterprise environments will be forced elsewhere, which would be a shame. I wrote about this last year:

Re: DataGrid deployment/version

2011-09-22 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Thomas livecode.l...@gmail.comwrote: If we update the revDataGridLibrary stack in this project, do we need to worry about existing datagrids being compatible with the new library? I am not aware of any backward compatibility issues. That doesn't mean you

Re: Realbasic on the web without plugins

2011-09-22 Thread Pierre Sahores
Hello Richard, Le 22 sept. 2011 à 16:39, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Attempting full translation of LiveCode to JavaScript would not be impossible, but very expensive. IMO, when you consider the limitations inherent in such a task, it's probably much more expensive than just learning

Re: DataGrid deployment/version

2011-09-22 Thread Pete
I searched the release notes and found references to two commands that are not mentioned anywhere in the Datagrid documentation: DeleteFieldEditorAndOpenNext and dgResetList. Are there any plans to update the documentation to show details of these commands and how to use them? Pete Molly's

Re: DataGrid deployment/version

2011-09-22 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: I searched the release notes and found references to two commands that are not mentioned anywhere in the Datagrid documentation: DeleteFieldEditorAndOpenNext and dgResetList. Are there any plans to update the documentation

Re: DataGrid deployment/version

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
There are a number of things not mentioned in the datagrid docs that can prove useful. If you edit the script of the behavior of group yourdatagridhere you will find are all kinds of little routines in there. You can probably gain a really good understanding of how a datagrid works by tracing

Re: DataGrid deployment/version

2011-09-22 Thread Pete
Thanks Trevor. It's difficult to know who is responsible for which parts of the datagrid. I assumed because the docs are on the Blue Mango web site that you looked after them but I will query RR about it. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:37 AM,

Re: DataGrid deployment/version

2011-09-22 Thread Pete
I don't really care how datagrids work internally, I just want commands/functions that are available to developers to be documented otherwise it's pretty much a waste of time having them there. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Bob Sneidar

Re: DataGrid deployment/version

2011-09-22 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: Thanks Trevor. It's difficult to know who is responsible for which parts of the datagrid. I assumed because the docs are on the Blue Mango web site that you looked after them but I will query RR about it. The official

Re: DataGrid deployment/version

2011-09-22 Thread Pete
Got it, thanks. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.comwrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: Thanks Trevor. It's difficult to know who is responsible for which parts

Re: URLStatus(tURL) doesn't work anymore since LC 4.5.1!?

2011-09-22 Thread Mark Talluto
Very cool! I will keep that in mind over here. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com On Sep 21, 2011, at 2:15 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hi Mark, thanks for your idea! Finally I found out that there is a slight difference in processing the urlstatus between Rev

OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can remove it. I've tried everything I know that might work. Thanks, Joe Wilkins

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
Dragging it out of the sidebar does not work? Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I managed to make an item in the sidebar so that it has no alias to which it points. It just sits there taking up space. Is there anyway that I can

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Joe, I could try to give you some ideas, but you have probably tried that already. So, what have you tried so far, that we shouldn't bother you with anymore? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter:

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Thanks Bob, but that doesn't work; even while holding down any combination of keys. Joe Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Dragging it out of the sidebar does not work? Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi everyone, A long time ago, I

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Pete
Check out: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3008672?start=0tstart=0 It seems to indicate that command-drag the icon should work and there's also a work round involving trashing the finder plist file. Hope that helps. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Thanks Pete. Trashing the Finder pList sounds promising once I find it. (smile). I already tried the command/drag bit. NG. Joe Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Pete wrote: Check out: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3008672?start=0tstart=0 It seems to indicate that command-drag

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
Joe Open a terminal window. Navigate to your user preferences folder using cd ~/Library/Preferences. type open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist. (I use PListEdit Pro so it's easy for me but TextEdit will also work if you are careful.) Under Root/useritems/CustomListItems inspect each key to find

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
BTW You might just check to see what your permissions to the file are. If you do not have Read/Write to that file, then something got hosed somewhere and repairing permissions is in order. Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Thanks Bob, but that doesn't work; even

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Thanks Bob. You've got my head spinning. (smile) Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: BTW You might just check to see what your permissions to the file are. If you do not have Read/Write to that file, then something got hosed somewhere and repairing permissions

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Terminal says it doesn't exist. I tried it a couple of times. Last login: Thu Sep 22 14:44:59 on ttys000 ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open com.apple.sidebarlists.plist The file /Users/joelewiswilkins/com.apple.sidebarlists.plist does not exist. ip98-176-89-163:~ joelewiswilkins$ open

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
Joe, that is not where the file is. The ~ in the path I gave you means Current User's Profile Folder. So the path to the file is in ~/Library/Preferences. That is why I said to type in a terminal window: cd ~/LibraryPreferences cd mean Change Directory. If you like, go to the Finder Menu and

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Bob, I trashed the pList as you suggested. On restarting a new one was created, but the item I was trying to eliminate was there again, so I recovered the old pList from the trash. Any chance I should have dumped the trash before restarting? Joe On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

[OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come

2011-09-22 Thread Scott Rossi
Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484 Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Thanks Bob. You are so right, and I'm reluctant to move anything for fear of screwing up the natural order. I did locate Finder's pList, finally, but my sidebar still has the item I'm trying to eliminate. It must be someplace. I'll diddle around a bit and maybe find the problem. It may have to

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Hey guys, I may have trashed the wrong pList; fortunately I did replace it later on. Now I'll look for the right one and it'll probably work OK. I'll let you know. Tanks, Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Pete wrote: The file should be in the /Library/Preferences folder of

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
Nope. The system will not look in the trash for a file it needs. This is very odd. I am not aware of any other place where the Finder keeps those preferences. Just for kicks and grins, try creating a new account and then log into it. Does that sidebar show you the same file? If so, then it is

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Fixed, got rid of it along with a lot of other stuff I really didn't use much any more. So, good! Thanks Fellas! Joe Lewis Wilkins On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Pete wrote: The file should be in the /Library/Preferences folder of your home group. Use the Finder to see if it's there. I

Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
A professing themselves to be wise... Seems that either their measurements were inaccurate, or else relativity theory must be revised. Not surprising though because as I understand the state of affairs today, certain things are not adding up. When I was a kid, the neutron (or was it the

Re: OT Help re Mac SideBar

2011-09-22 Thread Pete
Hi Joe, Sorry this is still not working. What version of OS X are you on? I've seen numerous references to using command-drag to get rid of these orphaned sidebar icons so not sure why it's not working for you. I just tried it on my Mac and it worked fine ( OS X 10.6.8) Just to be clear -

Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
So can we all finally concede that just because someone has bad teeth and unkempt hair, it does not mean he's smart?? glances at self in the mirror Bob On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it

Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come

2011-09-22 Thread Andre Garzia
where is the subatomic police to give speeding tickets to those silly youngster particles... On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: So can we all finally concede that just because someone has bad teeth and unkempt hair, it does not mean he's smart?? glances at self

Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come

2011-09-22 Thread Mark Wieder
Scott- Thursday, September 22, 2011, 3:36:50 PM, you wrote: Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light. I sense the hand of Jacque in this... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net

Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come

2011-09-22 Thread Pete
They can't catch them... Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: where is the subatomic police to give speeding tickets to those silly youngster particles... On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Bob Sneidar

Re: [OT] Warp Drive, Here We Come

2011-09-22 Thread Pete
I love this stuff! Throughout history, scientific discoveries have rocked everyones beliefs about the world around us. Now we may be on the brink of another such event which is hugely exciting to me and a privilege to be living through it. It may all turn out to be a calculation error but let's