Richard,
If it were only JavaScript, I'd say, SURE, I'll take that bet!
But it's not.
It's the ever-changing landscape of xHtml, HTML5, JavaScript, various DOM
versions, and it's about the vagaries and hassles in trying to create actual
working decent cross browser CSS. Its about learning
Thanks for the response and reminder of your post, Richard. I read the 'first
edition' but now understand more of the fundamental differences between
LiveCode and web concepts (which I know slightly, but not much better)! ;-)
I accept that there is far more to a web app than a set of forms, but
On Sep 22, 2011, at 11:45 PM, Pete wrote:
I can't remember which physicist said this or the exact wording, but the
gist of it was that anyone who says they understand subatomic particles
clearly doesn't know anything about them.
Richard Feynman said that about quantum mechanics. -Jim
I have the delusion that I have relativity figured out. For example how can
two particles be going at the speed of light yet relative to each other be
going at the speed of light? In my little theory it is like the road-runner
escaping the coyote. In this case it is two road-runners running
I agree with everything you wrote, but it cuts both ways:
The things that make it hard to anyone to write HTML/JS/CSS apps also
make it hard for RunRev to do.
And similarly, the things that make it possible to write HTML/JS/CSS
apps are things any of us can write today.
If RunRev wants to
WARNING: The following contains a Biblical reference in relation to time and
space, so delete now if you will be offended.
I think the idea is that the faster something goes the more space time
compresses. I have always wondered however at setting the limit at the speed of
light, or to any
So, you're saying that God isn't omnipresent, he (she, or it) is just racing
around the universe at an infinite speed, giving the illusion of being
omnipresent.
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I guess that's what's been in my mind throughout this thread - we're all
pointing out how difficult it is to do this but RB have done it. I know
nothing about other limitations of RB vs LC but it appears they have taken
the lead in this one area.
Pete
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Thanks for the source Jim. I remember reading a great book years ago named
The Dancing Wu Li Masters, a kind of common man's guide to quantum
mechanics - it truly is a very weird subject!
Pete
Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Jim Lyons
My remembrance of the theory of relativity is pretty dim but I think the
point is that the speed of light IS infinite speed in the sense that the
whole theory depends on nothing being able to travel faster than light.
That's why this CERN thing is such an amazing discovery, at least if it's
FYI. I asked RR support about the missing info in the datagrid docs and got
the reply below. Doesn't sound too promising.
Pete
Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com
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From: Runtime Revolution Support supp...@runrev.com
Date: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at
All my software bugs have non-local connections and tachyon capabilities - they
pre-empt what I'm about to type and then arrive and start queuing up before I
have even finished scripting them!
Best,
Keith..
On 23 Sep 2011, at 18:07, Pete wrote:
I seem to remember that there has always been a
On 09/23/2011 07:37 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
WARNING: The following contains a Biblical reference in relation to time and
space, so delete now if you will be offended.
I think the idea is that the faster something goes the more space time compresses. I have
always wondered however at setting
On 09/23/2011 07:49 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
So, you're saying that God isn't omnipresent, he (she, or it) is just racing
around the universe at an infinite speed, giving the illusion of being
omnipresent.
_
Not bad really.
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On 09/23/2011 08:22 PM, Keith Clarke wrote:
All my software bugs have non-local connections and tachyon capabilities - they
pre-empt what I'm about to type and then arrive and start queuing up before I
have even finished scripting them!
Best,
Keith..
LOL . . . :)
I always try to write
On Sep 22, 2011, at 8:45 PM, Pete wrote:
I love this stuff! Throughout history, scientific discoveries have rocked
everyones beliefs about the world around us. Now we may be on the brink of
another such event which is hugely exciting to me and a privilege to be
living through it.
It may
I must agree. If I want to create web forms I can use a zillion tools. No, I
want to create graphically rich apps that are multimedia driven or games. It's
great that I can use live code for more mundane database programming as well,
but I need the more complex stuff to work on mobile devices
After thinking about the challenges of translating LC stacks into web
pages, I remembered another issues I've had to deal with in browsers
that we don't have to think about in LC:
How do your app respond when the user clicks the browser's Back button?
We have no universal Back message in LC;
I'm wondering if anyone has tried customizing a datagrid column by putting a
field control in it.
I know the datagrid itself automatically creates fields in columns that
haven't been customized with other controls but I have a situation where I'd
like to define a custom property for the field and
I don't know the answers to your questions Richard, except that the demo
application does resize the controls when the window is resized.
As for the other question, you're right none of us have given it a try so
all it's all perception for now.
Pete
Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com
Shocked:
http://www.real.com/realplayer/download
RealPlayer for Linux has been discontinued and is no longer supported.
Archived copies are available for download in the Helix community
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/downloads/.
RealPlayer for Solaris has been discontinued and is no
Folks,
Speaking as someone who actually (tried to) build lots LC to Web tools I
must say that the challenge is not rendering the controls or converting the
language to javascript. That is not where the main issue lies. To convert LC
to the Web, you would need what I call an LiveCode Kernel
On 09/23/2011 10:14 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
someone still uses Real Player???
Useful for streaming stuff from Radio Scotland . . . :)
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Forgive my seeming obsessiveness over this thread, but having ported
some rather non-trivial projects to the web over the last few years it's
a topic of especially keen interest to me, always eager to find a
panacea only to find El Dorado instead.
I've been running Rev-based CGIs well for
Once again, a truly wonderful post from Andre on a subject he knows deeply.
The approach to translation through wrappers does indeed seem simpler
than how I was envisioning, but also poses a question: Would RunRev
really want to publish what would be a form of their engine in
openly-readable
Thanks for such a clear explanation of what is involved, Andre!
Pete
Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.comwrote:
Folks,
Speaking as someone who actually (tried to) build lots LC to Web tools I
must say that the
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:
Once again, a truly wonderful post from Andre on a subject he knows deeply.
Thanks for the kind words Richard!!! I only know something because I've been
struggling with this for YEARS!
The approach to
This issue came to light in a thread I came across in the RB forums, eager
as I am to learn more about their implementation.
This thread notes how Dreamhost -- where I run a great many Rev CGIs,
including the blog at LiveCodeJournal.com -- recently nixed an RB app
because it was attempting
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote:
Thanks for such a clear explanation of what is involved, Andre!
Don't take it as the platonic truth... that was my approach only and what
I've seen thru the years. I bet there will be someone that will simply prove
me wrong.
Just read this one on twitter:
I love science jokes: The barman says : We don't serve Neutrinos in here!!
A Neutrino walks in to a bar.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Jerry Jensen j...@jhj.com wrote:
On Sep 22, 2011, at 8:45 PM, Pete wrote:
I love this stuff! Throughout history,
And we now have $_SESSION in Livecode Server 5.0 ! Yes!
On 23 September 2011 12:34, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote:
This issue came to light in a thread I came across in the RB forums,
eager one of the ways that PHP $_SESSION works, it is simple to implement
and the
data is not
On 09/23/2011 10:58 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Just read this one on twitter:
I love science jokes: The barman says : We don't serve Neutrinos in here!!
A Neutrino walks in to a bar.
How did anyone know whether a neutrino had walked into the bar; surely
it walked so fast that nobody saw it . .
Richard,
Le 23 sept. 2011 à 21:19, Richard Gaskin a écrit :
A way to avoid this is to have the app always running, as a sort of daemon
process, listening on a specified socket for incoming instructions.
The problem with that is that it'll only be allowed on dedicated servers or
some
Le 23 sept. 2011 à 21:30, Richard Gaskin a écrit :
The other approach, a sort of virtualization, seems much simpler in many
respects, a similar to Heizer's LiveCard (was that the name?) which ran HC as
a sort of daemon process responding to minimal events over the socket.
If i right
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:
I agree with everything you wrote, but it cuts both ways:
The things that make it hard to anyone to write HTML/JS/CSS apps also make
it hard for RunRev to do.
And similarly, the things that make it possible to
Okay, I'm trying to work on my very first iOS external using the externals sdk
and am running into a road block. I'm trying to determine how I can pass an
Obj-C NSArray object back to the LiveCode engine. The data in the array would
then be used to populate a certain part of the interface. The
What's Real Player?
Bob
On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
someone still uses Real Player???
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Richmond Mathewson
richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
Shocked:
After all the work they have already done on IE 12.5??
Bob
On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
(how nice the world would be if IE would simply die the death it deserves
after so many years of thumbing its nose at well-published standards).
It was the first player I had seen that was capable of streaming live video
- in 1999 - even over a dialup. Ok, it was postage-stamp size and looked
horrible, but they did it.
On 23 September 2011 14:37, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
What's Real Player?
Bob
On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:14
What's 1999? Har! No I remember, it was the way to go back then. We've come a
long way baby. Nowadays, if I cannot provide streaming high res video to 50+
people at a time on a 500 node network and still have ample bandwidth for lots
of people downloading stuff, my qualifications as an IT
For those of you trying to make a few bucks on iOS Apps:
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/09/22/report-in-app-purchases-a-strong-source-of-ios-app-revenue/
Pete
Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com
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On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Just like SiteGrinder (
http://www.medialab.com/) spits out compatible HTML CSS Javascript from
Photoshop to all compatible browsers (iOS/Mac/PC/Chromebook).
With SiteGrinder, I don't have to stay on top of the code idiosyncrasies,
but
Pete-
Friday, September 23, 2011, 11:54:38 AM, you wrote:
I'm wondering if anyone has tried customizing a datagrid column by putting a
field control in it.
I've put label fiels in datagrids - does that count? Do you need them
to be editable?
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Anyone have a stack that interacts with Google maps to generate a map with a
route (path)?
I've been messing around with Google's Static Maps API and have the basic
parameters working, but trying to get a polyline path to show up properly
has been challenging. Thanks in advance to anyone who has
Yes, I need them to be editable. I've been playing with them a bit and it
looks like all works just fine, although I think I will need to handle the
editing myself rather than rely on the edit handlers in the datagrid.
Pete
Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at
Kee,
You may wish to look at Dreamweaver as it does a pretty decent job of
creating XHTML/CSS. SiteGrinder can spit out HTML only pages and does a very
nice job of the translation, but you have to learn their 'hinting'
technique. I use it all the time. In fact, I wrote an eBook showing how to
If it's a single page web app, ala RB's, I'd expect it to go to the previous
page-- IOW, the page which launched the app. In that case nothing would have
to be done to our translator at all! See, wasn't that easy? :-p
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Richard Gaskin
Richard,
Actually, I think a decent first step is to just create apps which run on a
single page. This removes much if not all the necessary session information
and works pretty much like typical AJAX apps do now.
Of course, later having the app being able to communicate with LC Server
might be
I don't use !important but use a lot of inline css for special cases and use
css as a sheet or in the header for more general specs (for a one-pager).
I pass the state of the app through POST or GET which gets trapped at the
beginning and decides which 'page' to display.
With the new two pass
I may be a weirdo geek but this is so funny I can't stop laughing. Very
creative!!
Thanks for the belly laugh!
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Friday, September 23, 2011, 11:24:15 AM, you wrote:
Once again, xkcd to the rescue:
http://xkcd.com/955/
Even cooler, did you notice the tooltip for the cartoon?
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