Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Richmond
On 12/02/2011 02:50 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: Bob said: Let me propose that a solution cannot be simpler than the problem it is meant to solve. Yep. The most important part of programming/building/creation in general is defining the problem. Well ok, for me the biggest issue is making it pretty

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Geoff Canyon Rev
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Let me propose that a solution cannot be simpler than the problem it is meant to solve. Assuming that this is true, it is nevertheless possible for a solution to be far, far more complex than the problem it is intended to solve.

Re: Copying and pasting a data grid form?

2011-12-02 Thread Keith (Gulf Breeze Ortho Lab)
Thanks Pete. I did something very similar to that (although I didn't use the message box to make a copy--how would I do that by the way?) I ended up copying the group from the first data grid's row template over to the second data grid... After playing around with it, I then did modified the

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread René Micout
Sorry, not very well, this is only a race to the bottom (nivellement par le bas in French) Le 2 déc. 2011 à 03:09, Petrides, M.D. Marian a écrit : That's for sure. One other missing feature in Hypercard that was not mentioned is cross-platform support, which LC does very well. (Thank

printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein
Can I just confirm that there's no way to print high-quality rotated text from LC? For use on screen one can put text in a field, take a snapshot, and rotate that - which is fine if you don't need editing; but of course in print that comes out lo-res. Is there any way, if I want most of the

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread René Micout
To clarify, I would have all the features of Mac OS X Lion (all the interface, Core MIDI, Core Graphics, etc ...) We are far of that... What will happen when Microsoft will deliver Windows 8? As Microsoft was based on Mac OS to progress, a common line persisted, but tomorrow, the gap may widen

Reacting to the user cancelling a print job

2011-12-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein
Is there any way to detect that the user is clicking the 'cancel' button on the 'printing' dialog that appears while printing from LiveCode? During testing, if I want to cancel an exceptionally long job coughinfinite loop in code/cough I'm a bit stuck. I can click the 'cancel' button, and

Re: Custom Property Data Limit?

2011-12-02 Thread Bernard Devlin
Some years back I was working with a few joined tables in a commercially available relational database. Making certain queries across these joined tables became unusably slow as the size of the tables increased (I can't remember the numbers, but certainly in the millions, possibly billions). As

Re: Reacting to the user cancelling a print job

2011-12-02 Thread Mark Schonewille
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Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 2 déc. 2011 à 02:15, Todd Geist a écrit : I think that breakthroughs in technology are really about taking a complex problem and making it simpler. The best solutions are the simplest ones. Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and

Re: SoCal LUG meeting: Wind advisory

2011-12-02 Thread Judy Perry
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Todd Geist wrote: Wow, we had no wind at all. I am maybe 50 miles from Pasedena --I'm 100 miles (well, probably in that range) south of Pasadena and we had high but not abnormally high winds today. Still, that plus a nearly 200 mile round trip makes it undoable for

Re: IMPORTANT: SoCal Meeting CANCELLED

2011-12-02 Thread Judy Perry
Whatever happened to a mid-so-Cal meeting area in OC? Judy On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Richard Gaskin wrote: The City of Pasadena has declared a state of emergency in light of the ongoing wind storm (see earlier post), so after discussing this with Bill Vlahos we agree it's just not safe to

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Mike Bonner
Both of the apply to a simple example. How to get something from a combination locked glass case. But circumstances and requirements are a big part of how much complexity can be removed. As does background and world view. An engineer might study how the lock works and try to determine if it can

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Klaus on-rev
Hi all, Am 02.12.2011 um 14:32 schrieb Pierre Sahores: Among the comments of this interesting http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568; paper..., Phillip says: November 30, 2011 at 4:49 pm It was killed because Hypercard on an iPod is all you would ever need to buy. How do you spell APP Store

Re: printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread Mike Bonner
It might be possible to use css/javascript in a revbrowser instance to accomplish this, but I haven't actually done so, so not sure. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Ben Rubinstein benr...@cogapp.com wrote: Can I just confirm that there's no way to print high-quality rotated text from LC? For

Re: Reacting to the user cancelling a print job

2011-12-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 02/12/2011 11:12, Mark Schonewille wrote: I have had this problem too and solved it. Please post your script. On 1 dec 2011, at 18:05, Ben Rubinstein wrote: Is there any way to detect that the user is clicking the 'cancel' button on the 'printing' dialog that appears while printing from

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Pierre Sahores
I did't got the bucks to license Oracle Media Objects ;-/ What was this REAL Table object! ;-) you seems to say we can't redesign it in LC ? ;D Kind regards, Pierre Le 2 déc. 2011 à 14:39, Klaus on-rev a écrit : Hi all, Am 02.12.2011 um 14:32 schrieb Pierre Sahores: Among the comments

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread René Micout
Le 2 déc. 2011 à 14:32, Pierre Sahores a écrit : the workflow we need to build to solve the initial defined customer's need. Bonjour Pierre, A little precision : with HC the initial customer and programmer was the same person... I think that will be the same with LC... But is really the case?

RE: printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread FlexibleLearning
Up to 4.6.2, you get increased image resolution if you import an image and scale it down, but not if you take a snapshot and scale it down. I did bug-report this anomoly ages ago. Maybe they fixed increased res on snapshots in 5.0 (not tried yet). Hugh Senior FLCo Ben Rubinstein wrote Can I

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Björnke von Gierke
People who wrote in this thread about why HC was killed are all self centric conspiracy lunatics. Apple was considered dying, bleeding money left and right, and everyone just waited for Jobs to be a megalomaniac idiot and kill the company off ungracefully by what was considered a flawed

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Klaus on-rev
Bonjour Pierre, Am 02.12.2011 um 14:53 schrieb Pierre Sahores: I did't got the bucks to license Oracle Media Objects ;-/ What was this REAL Table object! ;-) you seems to say we can't redesign it in LC ? ;D Well, it was a REAL spreadsheet like in Excel! And one could addres it like that -

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Bernard Devlin
Björnke, I think you are right on the money. I had never used Hypercard, but stumbled across Rev 1.1.1 and was staggered to think that this entire programming paradigm had passed me by (I wrote my first BASIC program in 1980). I'm glad that RunRev/Metacard had gone with a cross-platform

Re: IMPORTANT: SoCal Meeting CANCELLED

2011-12-02 Thread Richard Gaskin
Judy wrote: Whatever happened to a mid-so-Cal meeting area in OC? I became infected - with the spirit of Ubuntu. :) It became increasingly difficult to find a venue which would work for everyone, and the meetings pretty much came to a standstill for many months. But as I mentioned in my

Re: IMPORTANT: SoCal Meeting CANCELLED

2011-12-02 Thread Andre Garzia
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: In fact, it seems we have enough users in Rio to encourage Andre to consider starting one there, and perhaps Nicolas Cueto could start one in Tokyo. Klaus, got enough LiveCode users in your area to set up one in

Re: printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread dfepstein
Ben Rubenstein asked   Can I just confirm that there's no way to print high-quality rotated text from LC?   Create the field with fontsize 4 times what your want, take a snapshot, rotate, paste, and reduce the image's width and length to 25% of the original . David

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
Yes this is true, but only because someone else dealt with the complexity, solved the problems, and then presented the end user with a machine that did the work or calculations for him. But make no mistake someone had to solve the actual problems or there would have been no

Re: printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Late to visit this thread, but when I need to do something of this nature I do it in MacDraft, Export it as a JPG or?... at whatever resolution I want; and then import or paste that into an LC image. Then it's up to the printer. Usually the quality is quite good. If you are interested in this

Re: Rép : [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hmmm disagree. Most people do not want to do accounting either, and so do not have accounting software. That is not an argument for why accounting software should go away. Bob On Dec 2, 2011, at 5:32 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: David Stevens says: December 1, 2011 at 3:10 pm A likely

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 2 déc. 2011 à 14:55, René Micout a écrit : Le 2 déc. 2011 à 14:32, Pierre Sahores a écrit : the workflow we need to build to solve the initial defined customer's need. Bonjour Pierre, Bonsoir René, A little precision : with HC the initial customer and programmer was the same

Re: IMPORTANT: SoCal Meeting CANCELLED

2011-12-02 Thread Pierre Sahores
Same there in France, as long as i know... Do i mistake Kevin ? Le 2 déc. 2011 à 16:53, Andre Garzia a écrit : Where are they??? I would welcome some company here! I would set up a group here if we had something like 4 or 5 guys/gals. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70

Re: printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread FlexibleLearning
Unless you know different, this doesn't work. The snapshot option remains at 72dpi after scaling. The only way seems to be scaling an import an image from an external image file. Hugh Senior FLCo David Epstein wrote: Create the field with fontsize 4 times what your want, take a snapshot,

Re: Selecting Multiple Buttons in iOS

2011-12-02 Thread Randy Hengst
Hi Jaque, I've continued to play with this idea. I've moved my handlers to the card script. I have a variable set as a marker… it's made true in the mouseDown. However, a mouseEnter does not seem to be sent while a dragging with the mouse (or your finger in iOS) down… neither does the

Re: printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 02/12/2011 15:59, dfepst...@comcast.net wrote: Create the field with fontsize 4 times what your want, take a snapshot, rotate, paste, and reduce the image's width and length to 25% of the original . Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing (not the paste bit, ie the code puts text into a field,

Re: printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 02/12/2011 18:14, FlexibleLearning wrote: Unless you know different, this doesn't work. The snapshot option remains at 72dpi after scaling. The only way seems to be scaling an import an image from an external image file. Hugh Senior FLCo David Epstein wrote: Create the field with fontsize

Re: printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread Roger Eller
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: So if there was a way to do it right - ie a 'printRotated' property that could be set and reset multiple times within a single print job - that would be nicer. Ben I would rather have rotation angle as a property of a text field. This

Re: printing rotated text

2011-12-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 02/12/2011 18:58, Roger Eller wrote: So if there was a way to do it right - ie a 'printRotated' property that could be set and reset multiple times within a single print job - that would be nicer. I would rather have rotation angle as a property of a text field. This has been requested

[OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Ronald Zellner
Don't know which message in the thread to replicate here. I was an early adopter of Hypercard and had developed an interesting set of resources utilizing our local Corvus network in the early 90s (the university wasn't yet networked back then.) Students received copies of a Workbook stack and

Re: Selecting Multiple Buttons in iOS

2011-12-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/2/11 12:35 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: I have a variable set as a marker… it's made true in the mouseDown. However, a mouseEnter does not seem to be sent while a dragging with the mouse (or your finger in iOS) down… neither does the mouseLoc() get updated… Interesting. You're right. This

Re: IMPORTANT: SoCal Meeting CANCELLED

2011-12-02 Thread Richard Gaskin
Andre Garzia wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: In fact, it seems we have enough users in Rio to encourage Andre to consider starting one there, and perhaps Nicolas Cueto could start one in Tokyo. Klaus, got enough LiveCode users in your area to set up one in Hennef,

Re: IMPORTANT: SoCal Meeting CANCELLED

2011-12-02 Thread jacques CLAVEL
Pierre, Pour info : just on the other side of the Gave there is a town called : Billère. Do you know? 2011/12/2 Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.com Same there in France, as long as i know... Do i mistake Kevin ? Le 2 déc. 2011 à 16:53, Andre Garzia a écrit : Where are they??? I would

Re: Custom Property Data Limit?

2011-12-02 Thread Marty Knapp
I just did a test and 200,000 records in my data set (stored as a tab delimited custom property) results in a stack of about 46mb. That's well under the 4 gig limit that you mention. But it takes a long time to load in a datagrid! I have questions about that so I'll start another thread.

QUESTION FOR ANYONE WHO HAS DONE IT

2011-12-02 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Hi all, For sometime now I've been receiving a lot of emails labeled as eBook. Initially I assumed they were spam and I have never opened one. Anyone know what the scoop is on this? Some of the subjects are pretty enticing. Is there some body that policies them to assure they are not spam?

Datagrid - GetDataForLine

2011-12-02 Thread Marty Knapp
I'm using a form datagrid and have it successfully working with a tab delimited list that I cycle through and create an array, then use the FillInData handler in the datagrid to fill it out. I am now trying to set this up for large amounts of data. I've read the brief tutorial in the DG

Re: QUESTION FOR ANYONE WHO HAS DONE IT

2011-12-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/2/11 2:51 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi all, For sometime now I've been receiving a lot of emails labeled as eBook. Initially I assumed they were spam and I have never opened one. Anyone know what the scoop is on this? Some of the subjects are pretty enticing. Is there some body that

Re: QUESTION FOR ANYONE WHO HAS DONE IT

2011-12-02 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Thanks Marian. Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect On Dec 2, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Marian Petrides wrote: Sounds off to me. I've never gotten anything like this either. On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi Jacqi, No, not from RR or the this list, but from xxx...@unot.in I've

Re: QUESTION FOR ANYONE WHO HAS DONE IT

2011-12-02 Thread Jerry Jensen
Its spam. Don't bother opening it. Mark it with your ISP as spam if they offer that. If that doesn't cut it, make a rule in apple mail (in mail preferences) to the effect of if FROM contains unot.in delete message. You won't see them any more. This assumes you will remember to alter things if

Re: Datagrid - GetDataForLine

2011-12-02 Thread Mark Smith
Marty Knapp wrote In my scenario, how do I use the GetDataForLine command? Am I wasting time by converting my tab-delimited file to an array? Hi Marty, I am no datagrid expert (more or less just stumble onto solutions that work for me) and I am not familiar with the technique you are

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hmmm... we use a web based grading system that the school is very dissatisfied with. They require a persistent connection with the web server which is sometimes a problem in large network environments where one screwup somewhere in a configuration or a router or switch reset produces a hornet's

Re: Datagrid - GetDataForLine

2011-12-02 Thread Mark Smith
Marty Knapp wrote In my scenario, how do I use the GetDataForLine command? Am I wasting time by converting my tab-delimited file to an array? Hi Marty, I am no datagrid expert (more or less just stumble onto solutions that work for me) and I am not familiar with the technique you are

Re: Datagrid - GetDataForLine

2011-12-02 Thread Mark Smith
slylabs13 wrote Prior to this we were discussing how unwieldy this can be with a lot of data. If he has a ton of data, like in the hundreds of thousands or even millions of records, this can take an extraordinary amount of time, hence, the need to bite off a little at a time. Bob

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Geoff- Friday, December 2, 2011, 12:53:28 AM, you wrote: Some people, when confronted with a problem, think “I know, I'll use regular expressions.” Now they have two problems. g -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Mark- Friday, December 2, 2011, 1:28:24 PM, you wrote: I worked at Apple in the 1990-1997 time frame, and was involved in the migration of technical documentation from paper over to CD ROM. Cutting edge stuff in those days, believe me, and the delivery vehicle we used was...wait for

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Todd- Thursday, December 1, 2011, 5:15:12 PM, you wrote: The part that I most liked about the linked article was the emphasis on explorability. I think HyperCard had it. My other Tool FileMaker had it. FileMaker has less of it today. And I think that LiveCode is not as explorable as

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Colin Holgate
I worked in Apple tech support in the UK, from October 1987 to end of Jan 1992, and when I met HyperCard, which was very young at the time, I told my manager that I thought it was going to be huge. He asked why, and I said, well, it's like programming for the rest of us. He agreed. When I

Re: [OT}] Hypercard and an uneasy read.

2011-12-02 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Yes, Jobs killed a lot of things that were losing money - but that does not explain why Apple would not open-source Hypercard if it didn't want to support it. It was possible to stop the losses without killing the product, but he chose not to. There had to be a reason for that. I recall calling