Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 2015-10-07 21:02, Mark Schonewille wrote: That is a strange question: if we take away something you like, would you use the one and only thing that's left? I can see how (out of context) my question could have appeared to be that, but it wasn't. The previous post had indicated the

How to assign icons to a button AND show the name?

Hello, I want to assign four different icons for active-hilite-hover-disabled to a button AND show the name/label of the button. Assigning the icon works fine, showing the name also, but when having icons AND showing the name, the icon will be pushed up and half out of the borders of the button.

AW: How to assign icons to a button AND show the name?

Hi Scott - wow! What a surprise, thats just what I was looking for and it works. It seems to be a new hidden property, not to be edited from the inspectors palette. Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Scott

AW: App Browser versus Project Browser

+1 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von J. Landman Gay Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Oktober 2015 21:58 An: How to use LiveCode Betreff: Re: App Browser versus Project Browser On 10/7/2015 1:22

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

I had to look up "affine" (dude, you're getting technical) and my impression is this type of distortion could be useful. There appears to be a type of transformation named "projective" which, if I understand what it does, would be ideal. Anyway, I posted an example here that illustrates the

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

This would be awesome! Paul > On 7 Oct 2015, at 23:37, Scott Rossi wrote: > > I had to look up "affine" (dude, you're getting technical) and my > impression is this type of distortion could be useful. There appears to > be a type of transformation named "projective"

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

+1 from me Cheers Rolf > Agreed that satisfying everybody will never happen, but I would argue that > the dual-pane approach of the Application Browser can display more > information in a single view than the Project Browser. IMO, accessing > multiple stacks is more efficient using this

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 5:37 pm, Scott Rossi wrote: > > Anyway, I posted an example here that illustrates the desired options in > LiveCode terms: good (single axis distortion) and best (irregular > distortion). http://tactilemedia.com/download/image_distortion.jpg >

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

I tend to use the AP more than PB. I find the 2 column layout easier to navigate and quicker for finding what I want in a larger project. In my view to make the AP better would just require. 1. A collapse button to collapse the RHS column so that the AP takes up less screen. 2. A filter field

Re: How to assign icons to a button AND show the name?

Hi Tiemo: What version of LiveCode? In LC 6.7 and later you can set the iconGravity property of a button, but in pre 6.7 versions, icon positioning is somewhat limited. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 10/8/15, 1:01 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Tiemo

LC 8 Property Inspector

So that this does not get lost in the Project Browser / App Browser thread, I've split it off into a separate topic: On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:04 PM Richmond wrote: > While I'm on a roll, I could also point out that I cannot see any > obvious advantages in the

LiveCode Meeting

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Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

On 08/10/15 12:14, Ali Lloyd wrote: So that this does not get lost in the Project Browser / App Browser thread, I've split it off into a separate topic: On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:04 PM Richmond wrote: While I'm on a roll, I could also point out that I cannot see

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

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Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

I'm going to abandon AB and PB as soon as RB (Rossi Browser) is ready! ;-D On Oct 8, 2015 3:07 AM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > > > On 8 Oct 2015, at 5:37 pm, Scott Rossi wrote: > > > > Anyway, I posted an example here that illustrates the

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Monte Goulding wrote > > Direct integration between the project browser and the script editor would > be very nice too. Some kind of context mode in the script editor that > would switch the script in the script editor to the selected obhect with > some indication of unsaved or unset scripts on

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

J. Landman Gay wrote > On 10/7/2015 6:20 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >> IMO, Jacque makes a number of valid points. In the Project Browser, >> because stacks and cards are contained in the single view, a long list of >> controls will remove any stack and card references from view, while in >> the >>

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

I am following this discussion and I have the impression that Project Browser refers to the one in LC 7. Ali posted in a different thread (that is why I quote him here) > There may not be many immediately obvious advantages to the new property > inspector, but there are two extraordinarily

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Hi Richmond, I looked at the differences in these inspectors and I came to the conclusion that the new version is not an improvement. What was clear and everyone was used to in the old version with the words has now been replaced with smaller icons in the new version. While I’m sure we will

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Ah! Ok thanks Paul. Martin -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/App-Browser-versus-Project-Browser-tp4696976p4697039.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > > I looked at the differences in these inspectors > and I came to the conclusion that the new > version is not an improvement. What was > clear and everyone was used to in the old > version with the words has now

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 06:47, Martin Koob wrote: > > One question though Jacque says she uses the object IDs in the AB. I don't > see a column for object IDs in the AB. Is it a preference to choose which > columns are shown? Right-click on the column headers in the of the AB

A Toast to the Global Jam

Hey All, Thanks to everyone who participated in the LiveCode Global Jam and helped to make LC 8 great! You can read about the Global Jam success and all the fixes we made here: https://livecode.com/a-toast-to-the-global-jam/ Thanks! Jana ___

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Right click on any header in the app browser to toggle visibility of the columns you want to display. On October 8, 2015 8:47:03 AM CDT, Martin Koob wrote: > >One question though Jacque says she uses the object IDs in the AB. I >don't >see a column for object IDs in the

A Toast to the Global Jam

Hey All, Thanks to everyone who participated in the LiveCode Global Jam and helped to make LC 8 great! You can read about the Global Jam success and all the fixes we made here: https://livecode.com/a-toast-to-the-global-jam/ Thanks! Jana ___

Re: A Toast to the Global Jam

>"The global jam is over! First things first: apologies for the toast/jam pun, >I probably shouldn’t have skipped breakfast.” Look, honey, my mama lade out rules about not doing breakfast puns. Clearly you were spread thin that day. At least it wasn’t cheese on toast. You should think of

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > On 10/07/2015 11:54 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > >> So if we had deleted the app browser stack from the build, would your >> point of view have changed and would you have started to use the project >> browser? ;) >> > >

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

+50 That about "sums it up" Jacque. ;-) Bob S > On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:58 , J. Landman Gay wrote: > > On 10/7/2015 1:22 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: >> Far more useful would be constructive criticism of both the Project >> Browser and the Application Browser. It does

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > > i.e. There is was a strong hint that continued usage of the Application > Browser was related to its presence, rather than fondness. > > Essentially I was trying to determine whether it was familiarity or like > which

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 2015-10-08 17:58, Dr. Hawkins wrote: Wow. I step away for a day and look what happens. Interesting question. I'd probably stay with previous builds and cut my ties with a company that's out of touch with its user base. I, too, would probably go searching again. The whole IDE is degrading

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

One thing we can easily do is have a preference which allows you to switch to the section names instead of icons. On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:36 PM Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Rick Harrison > wrote: > > > > > I

Release: LiveCode 8.0 DP 7

Dear list members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 7. Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your stacks before testing them. *Release contents* This release contains all the fixes and improvements made during the global jam, including 29 bug

Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0 DP 7

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 10:13, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > *Getting the release* > You can get the release at http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ > Ali, The downloads page doesn’t appear to be updated with DP7 yet, is it still

Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0 DP 7

The modifying the link for DP6 to DP7 works for Mac Indy at least. http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeIndyInstaller-8_0_0_dp_6-Mac.dmg http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeIndyInstaller-8_0_0_dp_7-Mac.dmg Likely it is just the web page has not been updated yet.

Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0 DP 7

Actually, it's not listed on the page, but if you take one of the links on the page and tweak it, you can get it to download. On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > > > On 8 Oct 2015, at 10:13, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > > > *Getting the

Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0 DP 7

On 08/10/15 20:35, Ali Lloyd wrote: Sorry about that, should be ok now! Ha, Ha, Ha: flipping typical: exactly 10 second after I initiated a download using a work-around. Hey, you have to love the RunRev team, one way or another: as Parmenides said "it's in a state of becoming." Richmond.

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

On 10/8/2015 10:36 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: I looked at the differences in these inspectors and I came to the conclusion that the new version is not an improvement. What was clear and everyone was used to in

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

> On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:50 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > But as Rick said, it's not always easy to identify icons. Tooltips are a must > until we learn what they are. But even better would be icons with labels, > like the IDE toolbar has. Sometimes, a word is worth

Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0 DP 7

Sorry about that, should be ok now! On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 at 18:18, Paul Hibbert wrote: > > > On 8 Oct 2015, at 10:13, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > > > *Getting the release* > > You can get the release at http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ < >

Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0 DP 7

not there, yet. On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > Dear list members, > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 7. > > Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your > stacks before testing them. > > *Release

Re: Release: LiveCode 8.0 DP 7

On 08/10/15 20:16, Martin Koob wrote: The modifying the link for DP6 to DP7 works for Mac Indy at least. http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeIndyInstaller-8_0_0_dp_6-Mac.dmg http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeIndyInstaller-8_0_0_dp_7-Mac.dmg Likely it is

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

On 10/8/2015 11:21 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: One thing we can easily do is have a preference which allows you to switch to the section names instead of icons. I'd be all for that, if labelled icons aren't possible. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Ali Lloyd wrote: > Labelled icons are also possible - we could potentially have a > preference setting for one, the other, or both. Inspectors are very useful in consumer apps, where the range of properties is often smaller and their scope less broad. In development tools we often see a

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > Sometimes, a word is worth a thousand pictures! > I have the text toolbar set, and don't waste screen space on icons. OK, so I spend more time in a terminal than the finder; I'm more a unix guy who's hooked on spotlight and

Python comparisons?

I'm interested in doing some benchmarks comparing LiveCode performance with Python's, but my Python skills are as weak as my C skills at this point. Rather than wait until I'm expert in Python, it would be helpful if one of the members here who's proficient with it might be interested in

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

> On Oct 8, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > > I've actually found the new interface to be much more productive. I always > found that using an option menu to switch property inspector panes was > tedious as it required multiple clicks. Switching around

Re: LiveCode Meeting

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Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

On 8 Oct 2015, at 14:47, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > OK, the palette header actually doesn't currently have the option to > display both icons and labels, so I might rectify that tomorrow. Ali, If you are delving into the PI prefs tomorrow you may want to look at the bug

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Instead of a scrolling accordion list with grouped sets of properties, allow me to get radical and suggest a fixed index list on the left or along the top of the palette. You'd get one-click access to any category, and no need to expand/collapse panes. With an accordion control, you'll likely

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Paul Hibbert wrote: > If you are delving into the PI prefs tomorrow you may want to look > at the bug report I’ve just submitted > (Property Inspector > not respecting Preference setting). That raises another question: If LiveCode is

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Peter Haworth wrote: > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> Here's an implementation I've been using whenever I need things >> not found in any Inspector: >> >> >> The design is largely functional, but suboptimal.

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Favorites would be a great addition. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Peter

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Scott Rossi wrote: Instead of a scrolling accordion list with grouped sets of properties, allow me to get radical and suggest a fixed index list on the left or along the top of the palette. You'd get one-click access to any category, and no need to expand/collapse panes. With an accordion

Re: Forking Versions

While it is possible to commit your changes on master then merge their stuff in its a real headache to do things that way. What you want to do is create a branch to work on. Commit your changes there then when you want their stuff you checkout the branch you want to update. In the case of the

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

OK, the palette header actually doesn't currently have the option to display both icons and labels, so I might rectify that tomorrow. For now, here's a pull request adding the display preference between icons and labels. https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/564 The way we have written

Re: Forking Versions

Oh, you also need to add the official repo as a remote on your fork: git remote add upstream https://github.com/livecode/livecode.git This adds the official repo as a remote named upstream which is the normal name of the original repo when you have a

the constant crashing of the IDE

I'm seeing constant crashing of the IDE that I can't quite reproduce. I'm pretty sure that it's ore than one thing, as sometimes live code crashes while just opening a stack. But I'm starting to think I see a connect to it happening when a cursor has been left in a field or in an inspector. But

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/08/2015 09:05 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: As I said in another post (in reply to the original reply), this wasn't the intent of my post - so apologies for any mis-inference that has been took. Hee. no mis-inference here. You posted a hypothetical question, and I took the bait. No

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Actually, no drawbacks at all. In Richard's case, you could expand multiple panes (as I think he mentioned), and in my case, the categories could be treated as toggles, being able to select more than one category to be displayed. And in both cases, if you're hard core, you could have an "All"

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Right, I mentioned the toggle idea as a possible way to view multiple groups in your multi pane idea. Must have missed the reference to multiple expansions in Richard's post, that makes it the equivalent pf an expanding list I guess. It comes down to vertical vs horizontal preference again. On

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

I like the side-pane idea best, but then, you and I are horizontal people. The vertical people probably prefer the expanding/collapsing list. Regarding ascii-drawing-fu: he cheats, he wrote a gizmo to do it. On 10/8/2015 7:12 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Your ascii-drawing-fu is quite skilled :-)

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Hi Ali, Would be great if you get flexible groupings going. Having been through implementing this, one thing to watch out for is that there isn't a way to get a complete list of properties for a particular object type. The properties array of an object does not include properties which can be

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

On 10/08/2015 02:14 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: 2) The new inspector is *really* flexible for the classic objects. Have a look at this fix for bug 16118 (no way to change a scrollbar's tooltip in the property inspector): https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/562/files Well, OK, I do have to

Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

I almost never see a crash. Maybe a handful of times since I started using LC in earnest, perhaps six years ago. I am still in 6.7, though, and rearely use anything fancy. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Dr. Hawkins To: How to use LiveCode

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

The accordion list and Scott's suggestion (is that a "MIller list"?) both have the drawback that you can only see one set of properties at a time. That might be OK but it does mean more clicking around/remembering values if you want to do that. To get round that, my implementation was a simple

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Labelled icons are also possible - we could potentially have a preference setting for one, the other, or both. They do already have tooltips, btw. On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 6:56 PM Roger Guay wrote: > > > On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:50 AM, J. Landman Gay >

Forking Versions

1) In Git, if I have a fork, but then there are updates to the master branch, and I want to take those and replace at least some of the contents in my fork, do I have to create a new fork and download the entire project, again? That seems like it would screw up the things I've been working on in

Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

Completeness is indeed important, especially to newcomers as you point out. There are some strange omissions from the pre-8 PI, e.g. it doesn't have a place to specify a behavior for an option menu which, when I first started using LC, led me to believe option menus couldn't have behaviors for