Re: Livecode Future - End User Cost Extravaganza

Seriously, Curry, you are so good at summing these things up. It's what makes you such a great writer and consultant no doubt. I hope you are heard through this mist. On Sun, 28 Jul 2024 at 23:21, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Skip: > > > Wow… just c

Re: Filtering unicode text

Thanks. As ever, interesting and helpful. Cheers David G > On 28 Jul 2024, at 1:31 am, Neville Smythe via use-livecode > wrote: > > David Glasgow wrote > >> I have an app I haven?t touched for a while that makes heavy use of filter >> of string variables up to 1,000,000 lines (but often on

Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 250, Issue 1

Many thanks, I will definitely include this in my testing. Cheers David G > On 28 Jul 2024, at 8:10 pm, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi David, > > Here is a script that lets you compare filter operations on lists or arrays. > With and without unicode. > > put it into a bu

Re: Appwrite Cloud & Self-host Integration

Hello and thanks I use Hostm with LC Server. Very good integration and small prices https://www.hostm.com/livecode-hosting No problem until now Georges > A couple of years ago I found the perfect solution for all my cloud hosting > needs for now, and seemingly into the future. > https://appwrite

Re: Individual licensing questions

From a general business point of view, the business model where someone buys an update every few years is not equitable. Customers expect you to have all the new features or new platform support ready when they arrive for their update, yet haven't paid for that to happen. Development costs conti

Re: The story so far

Sent off list. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 26/07/2024, 18:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" mailto:use-livecode-b

Re: Individual licensing questions

Thanks Sean. It’s a big change and we are doing our best to explain it as clearly as we can. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 27/07/2024, 09:07, "us

Re: Livecode Future - End User Cost Extravaganza

Don't forget we have videos that explain both the rationale and the model. https://future.livecode.com Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 28/07/2024, 1

Re: Livecode Future

That’s not what Create is. It’s a cloud based environment where we host your apps, run scripts and provide an integrated data backend. There may be other options to move forward available for existing users who contact us directly. Kind regards, Kevin On 26/07/2024, 15:53, "use-livecode on

Re: Livecode Future

Precisely. There are free products in the marketplace and products far more expensive than LiveCode too. Appian costs $75 per user with a minimum of 100 users so $7500 per month. Either the benefits that LiveCode bring are worth the price to you or they aren't. Kind regards, Kevin On 26/0

Re: Livecode Future - End User Cost Extravaganza

We have discussed internally whether to produce an option without the Cloud backend for Create. We're not going to do it. It would create additional engineering costs, confusion about the offering for new users and a lot of the value in Create is elsewhere in the redevelopments we've done not ju

Re: Livecode Future

The charge is not per app, it is per user. You can supply as many apps as you like to any licensed user. I'm sorry if you think LiveCode isn't suitable for your needs. As an existing customer I invite you to contact support directly. Kind regards, Kevin In my current role at the new company

Re: Community edition

Hi Tim, Yes, that could be the problem. All computers I've tested livecode run MacOs Sonoma. Best, Hery On 7/27/24 02:57, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote: It works on the older M1 macs, as long as you don't upgrade to OS14 -- I'm keeping my M1 Macbook air for as long as I can! Tim Sel

Re: Individual licensing questions

Maybe I'm not reading ths right but does that not say that you want customers to pay for new features *before* they have been developed? When I buy a product, I of course expect to have all the updates and platforms ready at that time. That's like saying that after I buy a new car, I have to

Re: Community edition

Because of a change Apple made in Sonoma, only LC 6.9.11 and higher will work on that and future macOSes On 7/29/2024 9:45 AM, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode wrote: Hi Tim, Yes, that could be the problem. All computers I've tested livecode run MacOs Sonoma. Best, Hery On 7/27/24 02:57

Re: Individual licensing questions

I'm not sure I quite follow. I'm commenting on the SaaS model in the industry vs the historic pay-per-upgrade model. You buy a SaaS platform then get updates (sometimes dozens of them) each your as your subscription is current. 70% + of business SW is SaaS now and growing. Any it was just intend

Re: Individual licensing questions

Yes, the subscription model in general, not just LiveCode, is set up that way. You are actually paying for features ahead of time with the subscription model. At least that's how I see it. I know that's the industry standard now, I just *hate* it, though. But don't take that as an attack on

Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 250, Issue 1

I don’t see how that would be faster. You are adding string processing overhead, not reducing it. Arrays work well because you already have an index of sorts (the keys of the array). On Jul 27, 2024, at 5:01 AM, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote: I have long intended to see if I can sp

Re: Individual licensing questions

HI Phill, The subscription and download payment model began in the world of video games with downloadable content (DLC). Many software manufacturers quickly realized that charging for content downloads or monthly application use could be a lucrative business. This model has since evolved into

unsubscribing

I am one of those "shadow" participants in the forum and have been for many, many years . only occasionally chiming in. This whole licensing debacle is boring and useless to (I would seriously guess) the majority of us who look to this forum for meaningful and useful information. I'm going to uns

Re: Individual licensing questions

The fallacy to your analogy is that with the new LC Create, you will be paying for (or at least subsidising) the server it is run from and the database storage (even if you don’t make use of it). For LC9 the analogy holds up. But as that’s going away it would seem LCLtd are kinda doing the ‘righ

Re: unsubscribing

what a horrible tone. Also, the issue of licensing is quite impactful to every developer here as it dictates how the move forward, hardless a useless conversation. On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 at 18:37, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I am one of those "shado

Re: unsubscribing

Andre. As a dedicated Livecode user who has worked at Livecode and authored several great books about it, you understand the software and its community well. You must recognize that many of us are very frustrated by the new seat subscription model. The impact of these subscriptions is absolutel

Date and time format question

I have an export routine I am writing and it expects timestamps in the following format: 2018-03-27T17:46:39Z I can output LC dates and times in any format, but I personally have not seen this format before. The "T" is obviously just a delimited between the data and time, but my question is t

Re: Date and time format question

Paul: > it expects timestamps in the following format: > 2018-03-27T17:46:39Z Looks like MS Word Comments timestamp? If so, I can advise on the "Z"! Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Radically Innovative Christian LiveCode Development "PASSION for Elegant, Efficient Code!" https://livecodeconsult

RE: Date and time format question

I would think Zulu... Sitemaps use the same format with a time zone offset instead of the "Z" 2022-11-15T11:41:03+05:00 Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On

Re: Date and time format question

... 'Utc date and time values uses "Z" (which stands for zero offset) to represent UTC.' (MS) Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Radically Innovative Christian LiveCode Development "PASSION for Elegant, Efficient Code!" https://livecodeconsulting.com/

Re: Date and time format question

Thank you all (and especially Curry for confirming what I though the Z was for) On 7/29/2024 3:44 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: ... 'Utc date and time values uses "Z" (which stands for zero offset) to represent UTC.' (MS) Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Radically Innovative Chr

Re: Date and time format question

Follow up question/request: put the internet date into tTimestamp -- stores something like Mon, 29 Jul 2024 16:49:52 -0400, where the -0400 is the time zone offset Anyone have some already written code to convert this to a time in GMT (i.e where the time zone offset is +, i.e. Mon, 29 Jul

Re: unsubscribing

The way I read it was that Doulas was just bored with the conversation and not interested in having the messages pour into his inbox. So he has unsub'd temporarily while we chit-chat about it then come back once the cat in-fighting has gone away. He was upset with us, not the business model. Like h

Re: Date and time format question

Convert it to dateitems, then back again. Bob S > On Jul 29, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > Follow up question/request: > > put the internet date into tTimestamp -- stores something like Mon, 29 Jul > 2024 16:49:52 -0400, where the -0400 is the time zone offset

Re: unsubscribing

Many are losing their ability to maintain internal apps, others are losing their ability to make at least a part of their living. I would not characterize that as cat in-fighting. On Jul 29, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Sean Cole via use-livecode wrote: once the cat in-fighting has gone away. _

Re: Date and time format question

That doesn’t work I’ll get back to you. Bob S > On Jul 29, 2024, at 2:37 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Convert it to dateitems, then back again. > > Bob S > > >> On Jul 29, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Follow up question/request: >> >

Re: Date and time format question

dateItems does not contain the timezone offset, so you would need to get the timezone offset from the internet date (the only format I can find that has it) and the break the offset into minutes and hours and perform the math. I haven't tested this code (yet), but I think the seconds is the wa

Re: Date and time format question

Simpler than that: on mouseUp put "Mon, 29 Jul 2024 15:49:52 -0400" into tDateTime put word -1 of tDateTime into tOffset -- delete last word of tDateTime convert tDateTime to seconds put (tOffset / 100) *60 *60 into tOffset add tOffset to tDateTime convert tDateTime to long

Re: Date and time format question

Actually it’s possible in some whacko time zones to get a rounding error by dividing first so: … > put (tOffset *60 *60) /100 into tOffset … Bob S > On Jul 29, 2024, at 3:14 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Simpler than that: > > on mouseUp > put "Mon, 29 Jul 2024 15:49:52

Re: Date and time format question

Meh never mind overthinking it. Both ways work. Bob S > On Jul 29, 2024, at 3:30 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > Actually it’s possible in some whacko time zones to get a rounding error by > dividing first so: > > … >> put (tOffset *60 *60) /100 into tOffset > … > > Bob S > > >> On Jul 29, 20

Re: unsubscribing

While I appreciate the feedback, we have spent millions of dollars in platform development and we are not going to sell the new platform with a business model that is not sustainable. That would not be in the interests of any of our customers, the community or the longevity of the platform as a

Re: Date and time format question

Thanks! You math to do the offset is much simpler. On 7/29/2024 6:34 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Meh never mind overthinking it. Both ways work. Bob S On Jul 29, 2024, at 3:30 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Actually it’s possible in some whacko time zones to get a rounding error by di

Re: Date and time format question

On 7/29/2024 6:14 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Simpler than that: on mouseUp put "Mon, 29 Jul 2024 15:49:52 -0400" into tDateTime put word -1 of tDateTime into tOffset -- delete last word of tDateTime convert tDateTime to seconds put (tOffset / 100) *60 *60 into tO

Re: Date and time format question

Yeah but I think I got the math backwards. -0400 means the GMT is 4 hours AHEAD not behind. It should be subtract tOffset from tDateTime. Bob S > On Jul 29, 2024, at 4:11 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > Thanks! You math to do the offset is much simpler. > > On 7/29/2024 6:34

Clarification Needed: Coding vs. Drag-and-Drop in LiveCode Create Universal

Hello Kevin, Does LiveCode Create Universal mean that we can no longer write code and have to rely solely on drag-and-drop like no-code platforms? I believe no-code platforms are a waste of time since they are ultimately built with code. ___ use-livecode