Yes, I use them and so do the people for whom I have installed Linux.
My own use is with Fluxbox on Debian. I have six or more depending, and
generally start up each app on a new desktop. Fluxbox also allows you to
put open apps into tabs on one desktop, which is useful if working on
multiple
Thanks for the link, which was very interesting. There is a quite deep
insight there about what made Hypercard so inviting, and why LC is so
accessible. Its not just drag and drop, its working directly with the thing
one is making. Of course you still end up typing a lot of text, but these
I bought the first edition and thought it absolutely excellent. The only
section that could have been made more accessible was on arrays. People
have a real conceptual difficulty with them, or some do, and its very hard
to explain. There comes a moment when you realise that there is nothing
I needed to have a laptop work in dual boot mode with Windows 10 pretty much
identically in respect of networking, that is, LAN if connected, WIFI if
not, and then 3G if not, automatically. I just couldn't get WIFI with this
chip set to work on Debian despite installing the non-free drivers.
What I would really like to see is a plugin for Geany But its way beyond
my own capabilities to do one myself.
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After saying to make the acquaintance of the command line one should probably
offer some reading.
The short version is Linux Phrasebook by Scott Granneman. The long form
reference version is the O'Reilly Linux in a Nutshell.
Anything by Carla Schroder is worth reading.
Here's an example of why
In desktops Mate for something familiar, and its what gnome used to be before
they wrecked it, but fluxbox is the best if you want it very fast,
functional and surprisingly well featured. Gnome and KDE seem to be
competing which can make the most unusable desktop, so neither one of them.
I
Text editor: Geany, or from the terminal nano.
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Agreed about Geany, its very nice, think it IS very cross platform though -
the site talks about support for both Windows and OSX among others.
Now if someone would just do an LC plugin for it
http://www.geany.org/Main/About
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I have often done a fresh install of a new distribution while leaving the
/home partition as was and only had minor issues. The issue is that the
menu will probably need some manual adjustment as lots of uninstalled
packages may be linked to. But this was very minor.
The nightmare with
Yes, agreed, thanks, interesting post which I would not otherwise have seen.
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batch conversion recipe: the following to be run in the directory which has
the .avi files
#!/bin/bash
for file in *.avi; do
ffmpeg -i $file -c:a libmp3lame Converted\\$file;
done;
#!/bin/bash
for file in *.m4a; do
ffmpeg -i $file -acodec copy C\\$file;
done;
Clipped from somewhere,
That is what I did, on both my own machine and another - just left the /home
partition alone and did a new installation wiping the / partition.
But. There are a couple of things to be careful of. Your menus may end up
with a lot of junk in them unless the packages stay exactly the same. Mine
The more the merrier, but I think Mark Shonewille's book, Programming
LiveCode for the Real Beginner, is very nice indeed and covers an amazing
amount accessibly in a very short book, starting from real basics.
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Yes, verified this - new stack, new button, put this script onto it, and this
is what it does. This is Debian, 7.0 Community Edition. Also verified it
in multiline message box and tried a couple of other things.
What is really weird is that if you just change 1.884956 to 1.88495, it
seems to
LC 7.0 on Debian, both give true. And the second one, if you change it to
'is not a number', gives false.
Dunno!
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Debian, both Firefox (aka Iceweasel) and Chrome do this. Firefox is the
easiest, you just do print to file, select pdf and give it a name. Chrome
its hidden in the far right drop down menu, but after you find 'print' it
gives you the option of PDF. It is much less intuitive. I would just give
Oil of Olbas. Much better than Vicks. You fill a large bowl with boiling
water, put a towel over it, and drop the oil in every 30 seconds or so.
Breathing deeply through the nose.
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Yes, I will buy it. Would be nice in e-book form, but either way.
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If only someone would do a plug-in for Geany. I know, dream on
Al
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Richard, thank you so much for that link to a wise, amusing and charming
article. Yes, you are right. The charm of it was youth. Which we only
realise when we look back on it as you did there. It is the experience
some of us will have had - of returning home after a long absence to a place
Its not answering the question, but
You could get a much cheaper android phone, make the first one how you want
it, and then clone using cyanogenmod backup and resotre using a flash card.
Very simple process. The problem with iphone might be that someone else will
think of it if your app
Can you give any idea how long for the 64 bit version? If we are talking 6
months or less, I will wait for it, if its more, I'll install the 32 bit
version.
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Martin, many thanks for this. I shall have a go. ldd is a very useful
reminder.
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Thanks for the suggestion! I've tried to follow it, but the problem is I can
get detailed instructions for how to install the pango 32 bit libs on
earlier versions of Debian which had the ia32 libs. However this has
vanished from the repositories with the latest releases to be replaced by
No, its broken. Update simply doesn't work. I'll download and try to
install from scratch.
This is:
su to root, cd to /opt/runrev/release-in-question
./livedodexxx
Then run the updater and quit LC as soon as downloading starts.
The window loses its content and there is no update.
Peter
No, its broke. Logged in as root, navigated to the download, started from
the file manager, and I get the same thing, blank window with buttons with
no text in them, and it don't work. Running it in a terminal gives no
information.
I do have mulitarch latest version (debian has dropped ia32 as
Debian Jessie running Fluxbox. The updater starts, downloads, then seems to
fail to either update or put a new version into /opt/rev. Tried twice.
Also the updater loses all its text. I guess maybe update does not work and
one has to install from scratch?
Thinking of moving to i3 based on
I've installed for everyone, so its in /opt. Maybe the thing to do is su to
root and then fire up the old version and then do the update and kill the
app immediately the download starts...
Well. Worth a try. But there must be lots of people who install in /opt,
so the installer or updater
Fraser Gordon wrote
As with 32-bit Linux, we need to find a distribution that will allow
is to produce builds that work well on the majority of Linux
distributions.
The answer probably begins with a 'D'!
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Not quite sure what the issue is with the open source version. Is it not OK
to have closed source add-ons to an open source package? For instance, for
firefox or open office?
I can see that if it was an add-on which was packaged into a compiled
software package, this would
I think that is how the closed source Python editors work - don't any longer
recall the one I had, but it was totally standalone, and then the code it
generated was independent of it, so the editor was not bound by any open
source requirements on the package itself.
Peter, are you saying that
Peter, could you post which of your packages work
(i) with the community version
(ii) with linux?
Thanks
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Richard, this may be teaching my grandmother but when confronted with
this sort of thing I usually try another linux, preferably fairly minimal.
So for instance, plain Debian, maybe with another desktop than gnome, xfce
for instance or openbox. Then if that crashes, maybe a slackware based
Think you are right about UK. You can find £70-80 boards with embedded Atoms
on Amazon. Then you need memory, storage of some sort, and a case. You can
get cheap min-itx cases, have a look on ebuyer, but bottom line, you will
not get away much under £150.
If doing this sort of thing though,
Its a great book. I've one or two comments about topics and treatment which
are probably best sent direct. The thing it might be interesting to know
how others feel about is physical. Is it possible to go to a stitched and
not just a glued binding. I keep wanting to pin it open or spread it
Yes, agreed. I wasn't very comfortable with it as a long term thing, but
this is a fair enough reason when you have just taken such a momentous step.
It would be nice to know what the response has been - any idea of how many
new registrations?
J. Landman Gay wrote
Kevin said it was to see
Is Kobo any good? Yes, the new slightly oversize one is the only e-ink
e-reader to get. Unless you want to go to the really big ones like the DX,
and there are one or two variants of that.
The Kobo is fast, incredible definition, open standards, and the extra
screen area makes all the
Know of one who hopes shortly to be in Truro.
Peter
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The other really encouraging thing is that you don't even need anything as
'heavy' as Ubuntu. I haven't checked recently, but the last time I tried,
LC ran fine on Slitaz, 150Mb or so? which takes almost no memory or disk
space. If you want to make an embedded free system its the way to go.
Yes, I already had a .rev file in my home folder on a laptop from an earlier
LC installation. I copied the two community edition license files from
.rev/licenses into the same file on the laptop, then copied the LC program
files from /opt into the same place on the laptop. Had to restart for
Colin Holgate-2 wrote
Which Linux would be best for LiveCode, and for building LiveCode?
I don't think it makes any difference to LiveCode which you choose. I run
Debian and Fluxbox now, but have also used LC under Gnome. Also under xfce4
on my laptop. The only desktop I had problems with
Colin, just a wild idea, try installing ia32-libs.
Peter
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I seem not to be finding the link for source code download. Anyone have it
handy?
Peter
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Yes, that bit's just asking for someone to fork the IDE, not sure why
RunRev haven't based this login around a service like revonline but
luckily I don't need to make these decisions. If it were me I'd quickly
change it to Login to revOnline or skip... then make the
OK, this is how you fix it. Go to your account on runrev, change the
password, and then use this new password to activate. It will work.
I think its something to do with not being able to change the password from
the account creation button in the email, when you already have one
associated
same problem
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Well, it worked for me.
I logged into my Rev account, changed the password, and then used this password
and the usual email address to activate both the windows and the linux
versions, and they went in just fine.
I think the problem may be that when you set up the account to download, it
Nothing like awk for dealing with records with different numbers of
fields Very old fashioned but just works.
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Indeed yes, many thanks!
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Can I ask what is probably a really silly question? Could you just use a tab
separated text file to hold this amount of data, as long as there is only
one table?
I am a complete amateur of course so I probably did it all wrong. I had to
accumulate 15,000+ records, adding to them as time went
Lynn, are you going to do a 64bit version for linux of the LC client? I know
its possible to run or repackage 32 bit versions of course, so will do that
if not.
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Richmond is right in one respect, the Mir episode shows the kind of difficult
choice of approach that LiveCode is going to come up against. Canonical
does seem to have the approach of make it and throw it over the wall, source
code and all. The danger is that the project gets forked by people
It sounds like you are using just one desktop on your monitor and that makes
it very hard to manage all the overlapping windows. What's needed is an
add-on that gives you multiple virtual desktops - think this is Spaces on
Mac, and there is a windows add-on that does it.
Then you open one copy
The trick for Linux is going to be getting it into the main repos - Debian,
Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu. A Slackware package too. That is really what will make
it take off in Linux.
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Probably if you cover Ubuntu and Debian that's going to be most of it for
education.
There's EdUbuntu and a bunch more Ubuntu based ones and Skolelinux aka
Debian Edu and Doudou Linux based on Debian proper. There is an Arch based
education one, and a variant based on Suse, and one based on
Another key advantage is granularity if thats the word. The languages that
are easy to learn are ones you can do something useful in with little
knowledge, and then learn how to do the next thing.
LC is great like that. A very little knowledge lets you do rudimentary
things which are fully
Just put in xfce for someone. Did the upgrade to Debian Testing, which is
fairly safe at this point, and there was Gnome3. One look and a short play
was enough.
'You may not be real happy about this'
'No I definitely am not!'
Then we put in xfce, which is fine, except that the filenames on
Sorry, there are of course desktop icons, there are no desktop thumbnails
Anyway, now with nautilus doing the desktop, there are again.
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Its a bit late now, but the answer is probably Clonezilla. Insert and boot,
make clone copy including boot sectors, and an hour or two later you have an
exact copy. To go back all you do is the process in reverse from your
backup.
For one client I used one of those hard drive docks and when
Its a Linux thing. Linux is packaged up out of a huge number of components
into actual systems known as 'distributions'. There are probably around
10-15 major distributions, and around 350 in total. A great many
distributions are remixes of major ones for some specific purpose. Ubuntu
is a
The way to think about regex is a bit different for a linux user. If you
have stuff to do involving heavy text manipulation - finding, substituting,
rearranging, then you need to know regex. It makes life much simpler, you
can do things at the command line that you would otherwise have to write
Firefox plugin is decent.
A tutorial, very basic to start, but excellent and getting more
sophisticated as it goes along, here:
http://regex.learncodethehardway.org/book/
Recommended, even though it does start out assuming minimal knowledge.
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I don't know, but this is what the author of the 'learn regex the hard way'
book has to say:-
/The key to using regular expressions correctly is to know where their
usefulness ends and when you need to bust out a lexer. You also need to know
where a lexer falls down and when a parser is the right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDB_Tools
if its the access format. Used, and this works on access databases.
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Two writing tools that are worth considering
-- Focuswriter, a totally minimalist RTF generator
-- Lyx - a real writing tool, generates proper professionally typeset LaTex
and Postscript. It also will generate RTF.
If you haven't used Lyx, its not at all like any other writing tool, in
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In some cases you really have to be able to boot from other media. For
instance, when cloning a hard drive, which you might do for backups, but you
will also have to do in the course of forensic examination of a machine so
as to leave the evidence untouched. Or you may need to do serious file
http://www.maui-project.org/
Maui is very interesting. qt-razr. Not released yet, but a really
interesting departure. For me Fluxbox is just about perfect, but that's a
minority taste of course. Has everything you need, or I at least need, and
nothing you don't.
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as far as I can see
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Richmond, be charitable! The guy's first language is French. The last time
I tried to write a serious document in a foreign language - and it was one
in which I can read its classical literature with pleasure - my colleagues
laughed sympathetically and said it reminded them of the colonial
Tom Holwerda writes beautifully in English, amazing for a non-native speaker,
and this is a very insightful piece about metro, which some will also be
writing for.
http://www.osnews.com/story/26434/_Paul_s_take_on_Windows_8_
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Two solutions really. If you are set on staying with Ubuntu, install
Cinammon. I wouldn't for two reasons, one being the crazed desire to
dictate what other people do with their desktops, the other being the crazed
six month rlease cycle. But, if staying with Ubuntu, probably Cinammon.
I never
Actually, just checked, and its not available in the Debian wheezy
repositories either. It seems to be available in Sid but its a bit risky to
combine packages from Sid with those from testing. It is available in the
current squeeze Stable release repos. It seems not to be in the released
Have you tried evince? I don't know about the command line options for
calling it in Windows. Excellent reader.
Peter
Francis Nugent Dixon wrote
Hi from you know where,
Thanks to all for the input. Unfortunately, I still
don't have a solution.
My PDF is a Family Tree exported from
Thanks for posting the link to that presentation. Fascinating. Yes, it does
tend to show RR was right to focus on mobile when they did. Imagine how the
product would look now without it! Android is the really interesting
question the presentation raises of course. Whatever it morphs into.
The question isn't whether EULAs are contractually enforceable. As a class,
the answer is that they are. That means that consenting to them can lead to
a valid entry into a contract. CAN. That is not an issue.
The question is whether some particular terms in a contract, whether entered
into
Kay, I think the restrictions on number of computers is probably fine, its
the copyright holder exercising his rights. Rev is rather generous here.
I think the restriction on use is fine, because its just a product feature.
Rev is perfectly entitled to have whatever features it wants. If there
The legal situation and any remedies would be quite different. So, yes.
Probably that would be OK. It would depend on market share - this is
similar to the DRDos situation in Win 3. You would have to argue anti
competitive tactics.
Its the contractual restriction that probably would not hold
Lynn, the problem is that (I believe) in the EU the EULA so called license is
actually going to be held, should it ever come to court, as a sale. And
that all the post sale restrictions on use will be thrown out.
I know of no case, and think that is revealing. It would be really great to
see a
Its unclear because it is most likely that an EU court, if it ever came to
that, would decide that it was a purchase and not a license. Because if it
walks and quacks like a duck
Or as Lincoln said, if a tail is a leg how many legs does a dog have? Four,
because a tail is not a leg.
Peter
I have never believed the EULA restrictions would be enforceable in court in
the EC. First because its a contract of adhesion. Second because it may
say its a license not a purchase, but if it walks and quacks like a purchase
that is what the courts will hold it to be, and then you can do what
The problem is, people are being caught in the middle of a massive technology
change and consequent change in markets caused by no-cost untraceable easy
anonymous replication, and its not going back to the way it was. Don't know
the answer, but like it or not, there is obviously no going back to
Understand that availability is not the same as demand. I was curious about
the extent of this thing and looked for 50 Shades of Pages and pages
of them. Presumably that is at least partly demand, though it doesn't seem
to be hitting sales.
But do you think that there could be a case for
Colin, afraid its out and all over. I googled for the title, and came on
lots and lots of download links.
Why not reach an agreement with Rev to package a copy with every license?
The thing one has to think is that this is understandably upsetting for the
author/owner. But actually, like it
if this means me, I am definitely not promoting any other products. I am
simply drawing attention to the implications and incentives of the marketing
positioning of LiveCode for the Linux market. I clearly state each time
that LiveCode is my preferred solution. I am just pointing out that for
Yes, I had misunderstood. It seems that the situation is that Linux is in
fact on a par with Mac+Windows. You buy either Android or IOS, and then you
pick one included desktop, which can either be Linux or Mac+Windows, and the
price seems to be the same: $500.
This is a reasonable answer to
You're quite right, apologies. No, not very intuitive, but its there.
Thanks.
Peter
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The pricing at the moment appears to be (is this right?) that if as a new
customer you want Linux you pay either Gold Perpetual, at $1,000, or you go
PAYG Cross Platform at $50 a month. This seems to give you IOS, Android,
Sever, Mac and Windows, none of which you may want, but they are
Richard, I think this is the problem, isn't it?
If you're going to support Linux in a way that is viable and attractive for
people wanting a Linux based programming environment, this is not cutting
it. To do that you have to make the Linux environment available in the same
way you make Mac,
slylabs13 wrote
Where else would we go?
Bob
It depends for what platform. For Linux you would likely go to Python and
use one of the gui kits of which there are several. I don't know about
Windows or Mac. It would not be as nice or as easy, at least not for me.
But the nature of
The Linux market is certainly difficult and has some real challenges, and the
prevalence of free as in beer is certainly one of them. But this is what
you have to contend with if going after that market. RealBasic is an
example of a company that's made the decision and is doing it. Whether
Rev has always been fair to the point of generosity in my own experience, so
this is not a criticism. Heather is always clear and helpful and friendly.
And the language is very nice indeed.
The issue seems to be the trade off between open source and proprietary.
When you go proprietary there
Ken Corey wrote
If the HIG are not scientifically provable usability, but simply
subjective statements, then how can we measure usability?
The enterprise is fundamentally mistaken. We have to start by recognizing
there is no such thing. One size does not fit all. Different
Its not a problem that is confined to Apple - though Apple maybe sets the
tone. You can see it in Linux too. Both Gnome 3 and KDE 4 have gone
through a phase of total user interface redesign. In both cases the result
was pretty unusable - though it doubtless conformed perfectly to HIG
its the forked koffice suite. kexi is quite interesting - filemaker
competitor. Never got along very well with koffice, but if you like frame
oriented word processing, it is that. Simple desktop publishing can be
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32 bit Debian stable which will come with Gnome 2. Or, you can install 64bit
version, in which case put in ia32 libs, which will install with no
problems.
Mint is also not a bad idea, and another good choice will be PCLinuxOS.
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I have never, ever had to have a user change permissions in a terminal.
Never. And this goes back around 10 years.
What does sometimes happen is that when an email attachment arrives, and the
user saves it to another folder, it may be marked read only. Or, when
he/she opens such an
Debian Testing, with thunar as the file manager, no gnome or kde desktop,
only fluxbox, but gtk is installed. Though thunar is set not to display
hidden files, using the answer file dialog it does.
I seem to recall noticing this before in a different context but can't put
my finger on where just
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