[OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Richmond
Which is better: 1. To reply to a message by prefacing it with the new text? 2. To reply to a message by writing after it? 3. To comment intertextually so that comments sit next to the parts of the previous message they are directly relevant to? I favour #3, because, like comments in code

[OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sunday, July 15, 2012, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Yeah, gmail does the same. Doesn't seem to be configurable. I have to > scroll down, then insert my text. > I actually filed a abut report on that very early--July 8, 2004, it looks like. assigned # 11562437. I'm OT holding my breath at this poi

[OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Roger Eller
On Sunday, July 15, 2012, J. Landman Gay wrote: > And in all cases, bar none, all the nested signature lines should be > removed. > > There should be an app for that! -- Roger Eller Graphics Systems Analyst Sealed Air Corporation 864-967-1625 Office 864-908-0337 Cell

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Colin Holgate
I would routinely quote the relevant part of the message and then add my comment afterwards, but my colleagues using mobile devices would complain because they would have to fully open the email to see what I had added. So, now I say my comment ahead of the quoted text. If there are further comm

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Warren Samples
On 07/15/2012 10:59 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: I would routinely quote the relevant part of the message and then add my comment afterwards, but my colleagues using mobile devices would complain because they would have to fully open the email to see what I had added. So, now I say my comment ahea

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Richmond wrote: > Which is better: ... > 3. To comment intertextually so that comments sit next to > the parts of the previous message they are directly relevant to? > > I favour #3, because, like comments in code/scripting it is easy for a > reader to see to

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Peter Haworth
And who is the arbiter of "correct or incorrect"? Pete lcSQL Software On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > There are a couple of uncommon exceptions, such as "please review the > following", but outside of them, it's not a matter of preference, but > cor

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Colin Holgate
I was able to open your message, and scroll down eventually to see what you had added… For desktop use it doesn't matter much, but for mobile use it makes a slight difference. Given that top posting isn't such a big thing to cope with on desktop, I just suffer the requests from my colleagues, a

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Richmond
On 07/15/2012 07:34 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: And who is the arbiter of "correct or incorrect"? Pete lcSQL Software Nobody, and any idea of 'incorrect' or 'correct' is hugely subjective. However, to arrive at a general consensus might not be a bad thing. On Sun, Jul 1

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/15/12 12:27 PM, Richmond wrote: Nobody, and any idea of 'incorrect' or 'correct' is hugely subjective. However, to arrive at a general consensus might not be a bad thing. Bottom posting has largely been the standard here forever. The people who top post are few. I prefer reading the dis

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Colin- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 10:02:30 AM, you wrote: > For desktop use it doesn't matter much, but for mobile use it > makes a slight difference. Given that top posting isn't such a big > thing to cope with on desktop, I just suffer the requests from my > colleagues, and top post instead, so tha

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Pete- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 9:34:19 AM, you wrote: > And who is the arbiter of "correct or incorrect"? By definition, the RFCs. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this u

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Colin Holgate
You make a good point, and I do like efficiency. Turns out, Darth was Luke's father, no need to read the earlier bits. On Jul 15, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >Since you already know the ending you can stop reading when you > get tired or get bogged down on the big words. ___

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Richmond
On 07/15/2012 08:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Colin- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 10:02:30 AM, you wrote: For desktop use it doesn't matter much, but for mobile use it makes a slight difference. Given that top posting isn't such a big thing to cope with on desktop, I just suffer the requests from my co

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Doc- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 9:23:46 AM, you wrote: >> I favour #3, because, like comments in code/scripting it is easy for a >> reader to see to what >> a comment refers. > It's not simply favored, but correct. It's even in the RFCs. True, but as with everything else, the real-world answer is

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Richmond
On 07/15/2012 08:52 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Pete- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 9:34:19 AM, you wrote: And who is the arbiter of "correct or incorrect"? By definition, the RFCs. The Rugby Football Clubs ??? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lis

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Warren Samples
On 07/15/2012 12:49 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: And in all cases, bar none, all the nested signature lines should be removed. I try to do that and note with some chagrin that I failed in my previous reply to this thread :D Warren ___ use-livecode

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 11:01:31 AM, you wrote: > The Rugby Football Clubs ??? One and the same. Don't mess with them. They know what's best. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.c

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Colin- Top-posting, I mean. It's just like that. Don't you? I so like it when the punchline precedes the joke. Sunday, July 15, 2012, 10:56:35 AM, you wrote: > You make a good point, and I do like efficiency. Turns out, Darth > was Luke's father, no need to read the earlier bits. > On Jul 15, 2

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Richard Gaskin
A post tells a story. Conceivably, all stories could begin with the Big Bang, but for most stories the very beginning of all things isn't relevant to the point, so the storyteller trims the telling to the relevant parts. With posts, I find it easier to read them when they're pruned to include

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Peter Haworth
And who authors this particular RFC? Pete lcSQL Software On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Pete- > > Sunday, July 15, 2012, 9:34:19 AM, you wrote: > > > And who is the arbiter of "correct or incorrect"? > > By definition, the RFCs. > >> And who autho

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Peter Haworth
Sorry but it's a sad state of affairs when there's an RFC for how to reply to emails. Pete lcSQL Software On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Pete- > > Sunday, July 15, 2012, 9:34:19 AM, you wrote: > > > And who is the arbiter of "correct or incorrect"?

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Colin Holgate
That made me laugh so hard, and then I went on to read it. I understand the logic of bottom posting, but the issue of mobile users and Mail previews does make top posting useful. On Jul 15, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Top-posting, I mean. > It's just like that. > Don't you? > I so

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Richmond
On 07/15/2012 09:13 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: That made me laugh so hard, and then I went on to read it. I understand the logic of bottom posting, but the issue of mobile users and Mail previews does make top posting useful. Surely there is a terminological hiatus here, and to avoid ambiguity

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > And who is the arbiter of "correct or incorrect"? > Pete The folks who built the whole infrastructure, set the standard, and the wrote the RFC that specified the correct usage. Trimming & quoting to respond wasn't simply "most", but univers

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Pete- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 11:10:22 AM, you wrote: > And who authors this particular RFC? > Pete > lcSQL Software > On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Pete- >> >> Sunday, July 15, 2012, 9:34:19 AM, you wrote: >> >> > And who is the arbiter of "cor

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Colin- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 11:13:17 AM, you wrote: > I understand the logic of bottom posting, but the issue of mobile > users and Mail previews does make top posting useful. I was about to agree with this, but I'm not sure. If the aim is so that mobile users can get the gist of the topic wit

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Thomas McGrath III
I read books front to back but I read magazines from back to front. But then if I find a decent article I then read that front to back. I like posts at the top and posts at the bottom but I hate posts in the middle. Yet I have done all of these. I love this thread. -- Tom McGrath III http://

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Colin Holgate
That would be the ideal case of top posting. The reader will get the message right away, and can open the message, or scroll further down, if they need reminding about the context. On Jul 15, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > If the aim is so > that mobile users can get the gist of the t

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: And who authors this particular RFC? > >> And who authors this particulate RFC? > > OK - now I'm totally lost in the recursion. The Recursion Facilitation Committee wins again! -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Monte Goulding
Does anyone know of an iOS email client that's designed to bottom post? I hate top posting myself but most of my list responses these days are from the phone which seems to want to make bottom posting difficult. Why would apple design a desktop client that puts the signature at the bottom and a

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Monte Goulding
Cool, just found a feature I didn't know about. If you select text then reply only the selected text is included. Now of there were a setting to insert the text at the top I'd be happy. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 16/07/201

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Doc- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 1:44:22 PM, you wrote: > The Recursion Facilitation Committee wins again! -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscri

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Monte- Sunday, July 15, 2012, 2:00:14 PM, you wrote: > Does anyone know of an iOS email client that's designed to bottom > post? I hate top posting myself but most of my list responses these > days are from the phone which seems to want to make bottom posting > difficult. Why would apple design a

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-15 Thread Roger Eller
On Sunday, July 15, 2012, J. Landman Gay wrote: > And in all cases, bar none, all the nested signature lines should be > removed. > > There should be an app for that! ~Roger -- Roger Eller Graphics Systems Analyst Sealed Air Corporation 864-967-1625 Office 864-908-0337 Cell

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Pierre Sahores
Have a nice week, dear LC fellows... http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url t

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread André Bisseret
Le 16 juil. 2012 à 09:34, Pierre Sahores a écrit : > Have a nice week, dear LC fellows... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 > www.sahores-conseil.com Thanks you much Pierre ; "magnifique" and very moving ;-) An

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Graham Samuel
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:15:36 +0200, André Bisseret wrote: > > Le 16 juil. 2012 ? 09:34, Pierre Sahores a ?crit : > >> Have a nice week, dear LC fellows... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be >> -- >> Pierre Sahores >> mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 >> www.sahores

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Mark Wieder
Pierre- Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:34:23 AM, you wrote: > Have a nice week, dear LC fellows... Thank you. Nothing like a little Beethoven to start my Monday off right. Typical, though... the bass player shows up and then has to wait for the rest of the band... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftwa

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Peter Haworth
Great way to start the week! Thanks Pierre. Pete lcSQL Software On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Have a nice week, dear LC fellows... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : 06 03 95

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Bob Sneidar
This has been discussed before, and the general consensus is, there is no general consensus. For posts to long replies, option 3 is good, but when replying to only 2 or 3 points, one of the other will do. I find that replies at the top of the email work much better for me, because it's irritatin

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Bob Sneidar
Must disagree with the comparison. In reading a book, the presumption is that you haven't read any of it before. When reading replies to email, the presumption is the opposite. Everything breaks down on that point. Bob On Jul 15, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Colin- > > Sunday, Ju

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Bob Sneidar
Because the reply is not to only one person. Some may not have read any of the topic, others may have read everything about it. Regardless of any RFC's, I always think in terms of what suits most situations most of the time. I have a young tech here who is constantly quoting "best practices". If

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/16/12 2:34 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Have a nice week, dear LC fellows... http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=youtu.be Marvelous!! Thank you. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactives

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 15, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > And who authors this particular RFC? >> >>> And who authors this particulate RFC? >> >> OK - now I'm totally lost in the recursion. > > The Recursion Facilitation Committee wins again! Circular definition: see Definition, circular. -- Pete

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Bob Sneidar
But that just leads me right back to where I... OH RIGHT! Bob On Jul 16, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: > On Jul 15, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > >> And who authors this particular RFC? >>> And who authors this particulate RFC? >>> >>> OK - now I'm totally los

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-16 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob- Monday, July 16, 2012, 10:45:55 AM, you wrote: > Because the reply is not to only one person. Some may not have > read any of the topic, others may have read everything about it. That seems to contradict your other statement that > In reading a book, the presumption is that you haven't rea

Re: [OT] Between the lines of the previous post.

2012-07-17 Thread Bob Sneidar
I don't think they contradict at all. The likelyhood of someone having already read much of what was quoted in an ongoing thread is high, but it is certainly not absolute. I may have been following the thread with great interest, while you may have just gotten back from vacation and begun to rea