Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

I have seen this, but it isn't because iOS devices are necessarily better for businesses, but it's more of a perception of security and control. Apple does a great job of marketing this. My experience with Android has never involved malware infections, and any that have shown up in the media h

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > > On 13 Aug 2015, at 5:08 am, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > > > To put it into perspective, half of all iOS revenues go to only the top > 100 developers, and the majority of those apps are available on both > platforms. The top 1,000 deve

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

> On 13 Aug 2015, at 5:08 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > To put it into perspective, half of all iOS revenues go to only the top 100 > developers, and the majority of those apps are available on both platforms. > The top 1,000 developers consumer most of the app store revenue, with the > othe

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Platform wars are best left for OS vendor marketing staff. Consumers don't care because they buy whatever fits their personal needs and desires. Developers don't care because most of the ones making any serious money are deploying to both. To put it into perspective, half of all iOS revenues

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Thank you for that info, Richard. Intents is definitely a step in the right direction. ~Roger On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I would agree that the whole process does seem rather Apple-centric at > times, but did you see the Release Notes for 7.1dp1? The LC engine

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

They're also showing that the market trends are in Androids favor as even free (ad sponsored apps) will get downloaded millions of times on android devices. Sure, if your apps are filling a niche big enough that a few thousand will buy it, you're in good shape. But if an app is rather average, a

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Roger Eller wrote: > Read this; it didn't come from Apple though. $22B iOS -vs- $19B Android. > > http://readwrite.com/2014/07/03/ios-developer-android-developer-earnings-gap > Yeah, articles like that. The initial caption about how much easier it is for a dev

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Roger Eller wrote: > If your sources are from a newsfeed on an apple device, I am not surprised > at what thoughts you are allowed to have. > Huh??? I can't eve being to figure out where the is coming from. Does apple even have a newsfeed app??? I'm not a mac

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Read this; it didn't come from Apple though. $22B iOS -vs- $19B Android. http://readwrite.com/2014/07/03/ios-developer-android-developer-earnings-gap On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Roger Eller > wrote: > > > I think the majority of you

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

If your sources are from a newsfeed on an apple device, I am not surprised at what thoughts you are allowed to have. On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Roger Eller > wrote: > > > I think the majority of you have iOS devices > > because it is

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Roger Eller wrote: > I think the majority of you have iOS devices > because it is what you LIKE, not because it represents what the majority or > even half of the population HAVE. Inexpensive Android devices are getting > better and better specs all the time, and

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Unfortunately the platforms are relatively different in the way they do things so it's not easy to make things exactly the same unless you whittle things down to the lowest common denominator and that's not always helpful. As far as externals goes I'm keen to help there but there's two road bloc

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Thankfully, hardware convergence is finally coming. If the latest generation Atom processors had been around when the iPad took the world by storm, we would have seen something quite different. I can now get a fully functional Dell tablet that is lighter and thinner than an iPad, but it can run L

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

On 10/08/15 20:13, Mark Talluto wrote: On Aug 10, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Roger Eller wrote: I wouldn't know. Why? Because I chose LiveCode (actually MetaCard) because my code could be written only once, and it worked the same on Mac, Win, and Irix at that time. Sure there were always shell calls

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

On 10/08/15 20:00, Roger Eller wrote: I wouldn't know. Why? Because I chose LiveCode (actually MetaCard) because my code could be written only once, and it worked the same on Mac, Win, and Irix at that time. Sure there were always shell calls once in a while, but overall, the original designer

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

> On Aug 10, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Roger Eller wrote: > > I wouldn't know. Why? Because I chose LiveCode (actually MetaCard) > because my code could be written only once, and it worked the same on Mac, > Win, and Irix at that time. Sure there were always shell calls once in a > while, but overal

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

I wouldn't know. Why? Because I chose LiveCode (actually MetaCard) because my code could be written only once, and it worked the same on Mac, Win, and Irix at that time. Sure there were always shell calls once in a while, but overall, the original designers of the language put in some real effor

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

> I think the majority of you have iOS devices > because it is what you LIKE, not because it represents what the majority or > even half of the population HAVE. While I agree that feature (and syntax) parity is not (yet) achieved in liveCode (And why on earth do the mobile commands STILL throw er

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Roger Eller wrote: I have to say this, because I believe ti to be true. LiveCode developers are part of the problem. I think the majority of you have iOS devices because it is what you LIKE, not because it represents what the majority or even half of the population HAVE. Inexpensive Android de

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Roger Eller wrote: ...a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across all supported platforms. Is that how it works in Microsoft Visual Studio? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

I have to say this, because I believe ti to be true. LiveCode developers are part of the problem. I think the majority of you have iOS devices because it is what you LIKE, not because it represents what the majority or even half of the population HAVE. Inexpensive Android devices are getting bet

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

It is also irritating when the assumption is always that so many features are unavailable to the Android platform, and bright shiny iOS has everything you could ever dream of. I call BS on that as all major apps out there work exactly the same on both platforms. I have never read that "Netflix ca

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

+1 Roger, +1 Pierre. On the first one, Roger, I completely agree, MORE SEAMLESS cross-platform, more attention to Android (and Win 10, etc.) is important, even if it's only because it says to the rest of the world "Cross-platform for realises". I also agree with Pierre on where the investment goes

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Hi Roger, It’s simply no way to achieve 100% of cross platform ability as long as some features available, say, on the native Xcode’s iOS platform are not on the native Android SDK/NDK/JNI side and vice-versa ! Instead of complaining about this fact and, again, instead of limiting the cross pla

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Although LC calls itself cross-platform, I despise the fact that commands in the dictionary, particularly for mobile, have quirks that make it a little different for Android than iOS. If it wants to call itself cross-platform, a term that is in the dictionary should work exactly the same across al

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Back in The Days Of The Language Wars, it was important, but now, with so many specialty languages for so many reasons, it becomes much less of an issue. The PL bigots have been upended by uncompiled web languages. Whether it's this or Xojo or something else, LC still has a lead for building cros

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

> On 10 Aug 2015, at 3:22 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Features-per-kloc's not a bad metric…. Doesn’t every LiveCode project start at 0/50 ? Just being cheeky. You know I love LC ;-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Monte Goulding wrote: >> But when we step back to look at a more complete measure of >> verbosity -- how much typing to get the same functionality >> -- LiveCode often outshines many other great languages. > > And here was I saying it was a feature… ;-) Features-per-kloc's not a bad metric

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

> But when we step back to look at a more complete measure of verbosity -- how > much typing to get the same functionality -- LiveCode often outshines many > other great languages. And here was I saying it was a feature… ;-) ___ use-livecode mailing li

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Monte Goulding wrote: On 10 Aug 2015, at 9:59 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: Monte Goulding wrote: > ...probably a bit worrying for LiveCode as it leaves its main USP > to be a verbose language… Verbose? Verbose for a programming language at least Yeah, I used to hear that from C and Assembl

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

> On 10 Aug 2015, at 9:59 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Monte Goulding wrote: > > > ...probably a bit worrying for LiveCode as it leaves its main USP > > to be a verbose language… > > Verbose? Verbose for a programming language at least ___ use-li

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

Monte Goulding wrote: > ...probably a bit worrying for LiveCode as it leaves its main USP > to be a verbose language… Verbose? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

Re: [YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

> On 8 Aug 2015, at 1:09 am, Mike Kerner wrote: > > http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-open-sources-its-ios-toolkit-for-building-windows-10-apps/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61 > >

[YO EDINBURGH!] Microsoft Open-Sources It's Toolkit For Making iOS Apps Run On Win 10

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-open-sources-its-ios-toolkit-for-building-windows-10-apps/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61 -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold fo