On 07/21/2017 11:14 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
Just started 8.1.6 rc 2 *AGAIN*, both on my Mac (10.7.5) and my Linux
(Xubuntu 16.04) and
in both cases got a WHITE backdrop even though I had set the Preferences
to NO backdrop.
Yes - that won't be fixed until the imminent rc3
Just started 8.1.6 rc 2 *AGAIN*, both on my Mac (10.7.5) and my Linux
(Xubuntu 16.04) and
in both cases got a WHITE backdrop even though I had set the Preferences
to NO backdrop.
Richmond.
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On 07/20/2017 11:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
Well that's fine; as you should be aware, all in-groups like to talk to
each other in such a way as to
exclude non-members so that they can feel vastly superior.
I decry the discrimination against Finno-Ugric!
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Well that's fine; as you should be aware, all in-groups like to talk to
each other in such a way as to
exclude non-members so that they can feel vastly superior.
Richmond.
On 7/20/17 9:26 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
Commonly understood by all in the group. Not all mankind! :-)
Bob
Commonly understood by all in the group. Not all mankind! :-)
Bob S
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 10:22 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
> wrote:
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> Fine: then let's all switch over to Latin.
>
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Fine: then let's all switch over to Latin.
Richmond.
On 7/20/17 5:57 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
I too find it much more productive when communicating with a group to do so in
a language common to all. :-)
Bob S
On Jul 19, 2017, at 04:28 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
wrot
I too find it much more productive when communicating with a group to do so in
a language common to all. :-)
Bob S
> On Jul 19, 2017, at 04:28 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
> wrote:
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> I am sorry, but my French is not so good. Google translate gave me the
> following translation to Eng
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29517&p=156125#p156125
On 7/19/17 10:39 pm, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
That is a rather good suggestion!
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That is a rather good suggestion!
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 8:10 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> I understand your point completely!
>
> HOWEVER, why not make it slightly easier to make the backdrop to disappear?
>
> Erm . . . how about a button on t
On 07/18/2017 10:59 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
Do your keyboard shortcuts work Mark? You could use Ctrl+M to pop open the
message box, and set the backdrop to none, then toggle it on and off via
the View menu, then hopefully it should be gone from your preferences.
Interesting. That
"Assault" . . . Woof.
"The screen seizure indicates a mindset catering to the simplistic,
unsophisticated, and non-programming user"
Well . . .
I'm not sure why favouring a backdrop blocking out a desktop indicates
that one is 'simplistic' . . .
Until I went to the US in 1993 I had never s
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode <
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>
> Surely the most sensible route here is to decide on defaults and see if
> people for whom those defaults are relevant have any objections? I'm not
> sure it is necessary to be offended on beh
I understand your point completely!
HOWEVER, why not make it slightly easier to make the backdrop to disappear?
Erm . . . how about a button on the far right of the revMenubar stack?
Richmond.
On 7/19/17 10:06 pm, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:58 PM Dr. Hawkins v
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:58 PM Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> How about *offering* to put up the backdrop for the tutorial, rather than
> imposing it?
>
Well, we were acting in direct response to a whole lot of feedback from new
users who didn't seem to li
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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>
> On 7/19/17 7:15 pm, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Lookin
+1
> On Jul 19, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode
> wrote:
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> Uhm . . . why would anyone think that that would be a *good* thing? I
> react to my screen being seized as a hostile act.
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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>
> On 7/19/17 7:15 pm, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
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>>
>> I had never heard of backdrop before, and would have had no idea to try to
>> deal with it in the message box.
>>
>
>
"Virgin" on the ridiculous . . .
sorry, that one was just too good to resist.
Richmond.
On 7/19/17 7:50 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
On 07/19/2017 04:49 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
I'm honestly struggling to understand the problem here
Do this on linux:
(might be
On 2017-07-19 19:04, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
On 7/19/17 7:15 pm, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
I had never heard of backdrop before, and would have had no idea to
try to
deal with it in the message box.
That's funny; that backdrop goes back to at least the Free revMed
On 07/19/2017 09:55 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
However, in context of my post - I was more talking about 'not being
able to see the problem with the idea of putting the backdrop on by
default for first-run users to ensure that the tutorials are as easy to
follow as possible an
Thanks, Panos! That worked. I changed the arrangement of my Mac screens,
so I guess it was stranded.
~Roger
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:42 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> @Roger:
>
> Could it be the case that the Preferences stack does open, bu
On 7/19/17 7:15 pm, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
Looking at the PR it was meant to only set the backdrop if users were
still in the first run mode of the start center.
Uhm . . .
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> However, in context of my post - I was more talking about 'not being able
> to see the problem with the idea of putting the backdrop on by default for
> first-run users to ensure that the
On 2017-07-19 18:50, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
On 07/19/2017 04:49 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
I'm honestly struggling to understand the problem here
Do this on linux:
(might be a good idea to have a terminal window running already)
(especially on a second monitor)
On 07/19/2017 04:49 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
I'm honestly struggling to understand the problem here
Do this on linux:
(might be a good idea to have a terminal window running already)
(especially on a second monitor)
install rc2
launch a virgin installation of rc2
see the ba
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Looking at the PR it was meant to only set the backdrop if users were
> still in the first run mode of the start center.
Uhm . . . why would anyone think that that would be a *good* thin
Proof of concept:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/suhwepaw39tqlp8/Backdropper.livecode.zip?dl=0
Richmond.
On 7/19/17 2:55 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
On 2017-07-19 13:19, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
I've just run 8.1.6 past "my kiddos" (even though their summer classe
On 2017-07-19 16:26, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
Every version I have, 6.x, 7.x, 8.x, all black, Mac or Windows. Odd
thing
though, on OS X 10.11.6, versions 8.1.4 and 8.1.5 will not open
Preferences.
Have you opened 8.1.6-rc-2?
Prior to 8.1.6-rc-2 the default set in the IDE (if it ha
@Roger:
Could it be the case that the Preferences stack does open, but somehow it
goes offscreen?
- Open Prefs
- If you don't see the window, type in the msg box:
set the loc of stack revpreferencesGUI to the screenloc
Best,
Panos
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Roger Eller via use-livec
Every version I have, 6.x, 7.x, 8.x, all black, Mac or Windows. Odd thing
though, on OS X 10.11.6, versions 8.1.4 and 8.1.5 will not open Preferences.
~Roger
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Dunno: I get grey.
>
> Ri
Dunno: I get grey.
Richmond.
On 7/19/17 2:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
When I toggle the backdrop ON, why is it black, rather than something like
"lightgray" which is more like the Tools and menu portion of the IDE?
Black as the default feels like a mistake?
~Roger
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On 2017-07-19 13:58, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
When I toggle the backdrop ON, why is it black, rather than something
like
"lightgray" which is more like the Tools and menu portion of the IDE?
Black as the default feels like a mistake?
The backdrop color can be configured as a prefere
When I toggle the backdrop ON, why is it black, rather than something like
"lightgray" which is more like the Tools and menu portion of the IDE?
Black as the default feels like a mistake?
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On 2017-07-19 13:19, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
I've just run 8.1.6 past "my kiddos" (even though their summer classes
have finished it is amazing
what happens when I write "ice cream" on Facebook) and about
half of them liked the backdrop, but none of them like the backdrop
"as a
On 2017-07-19 13:40, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
How many of those brand new users are going to start teaching
themselves LiveCode at home, and how many are going
to go through a guided course in LiveCode in some kind of classroom
setting?
Most are going to be going through it f
On 7/19/17 2:32 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
On 2017-07-19 13:25, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
"the question is this:"
How many new users of LiveCode are actually "brand new" in the sense
that they have NO computer programming
experience at all?
A significant en
In English:
Each to his own taste, but this is not a choice.
I want a short, alcoholic French drink to settle my stomach.
In Lallans (Scots):
Ilka mon mun dree his ain wierd, but its nae his ain juist nou,
an Ahm ettlin fae sic tae settle masen.
I do not stretch very far with German, I'm afrai
On 2017-07-19 13:25, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
"the question is this:"
How many new users of LiveCode are actually "brand new" in the sense
that they have NO computer programming
experience at all?
A significant enough percentage to make it worthwhile a vector to
consider.
I am sorry, but my French is not so good. Google translate gave me the
following translation to English:
* Everyone to his taste but this, o, ent it is not a choice!
I would like a digestive.
But still wondering what you wanted to say.
(The German translation was even more confusing)
Matthia
"the question is this:"
How many new users of LiveCode are actually "brand new" in the sense
that they have NO computer programming
experience at all?
And a few supplementary questions:
How many brand new users are going to be "freaked out" when the desktop
"they know and love" vanishes with
I've just run 8.1.6 past "my kiddos" (even though their summer classes
have finished it is amazing
what happens when I write "ice cream" on Facebook) and about
half of them liked the backdrop, but none of them like the backdrop "as
a boring colour".
This is where we get all Shakespearian and s
On 2017-07-19 12:50, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
Lumpy custard!
Just like your grandmother used to make?* ;)
Other people who have commented on this are all "on this list";
otherwise they would have been unable to comment.
Indeed - my point was simply that due to a bug which
As Mark Waddingham expressed, it was only a test. At least it wasn't
tested in a GM release. All the fuss about it making LC unusable is a
stretch.
Matthias gave me an idea, so I made a small stack containing the image
which is applied to my desktop as a background, and I saved that to my
plugin
*Chacun à son gôut mais à ce ,o,ent c'est pas un choix!
Je voudrais un digestif.
Richmond.
*
On 7/19/17 1:17 pm, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
Me too. Especially when my desktop is once again messy. And that happens quite
often.
The backdrop function in LC even made me write a little
On 7/19/17 11:55 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
On 2017-07-19 08:56, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people
trying out LiveCode for the first time
are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.
Me too. Especially when my desktop is once again messy. And that happens quite
often.
The backdrop function in LC even made me write a little tool which does
something similar and layers over the whole desktop to hide the mess. Very
useful when i demonstrate something to others on my computer.
Personally, I have always liked, and often used a light gray backdrop to
minimize distractions from the OS. It makes LiveCode feel more like a
unified environment.
~Roger
On Jul 19, 2017 4:55 AM, "Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> On 2017-07-19 08:56, R
On 2017-07-19 08:56, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people
trying out LiveCode for the first time
are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.
Possibly - but until you test such a thing, a statement either
The backdrop is a problem for the linux platform since I'm with LiveCode (4
years now). If you ever click on linux into the backdrop you are lost.
That's why this was my first Raspi stack: a 'work-around' for that.
(Raspi stacks collection #1)
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"only set the backdrop if users were still in the first run mode of the
start center."
Even that is a "load of old Bollo"; I'm sure that a lot of people trying
out LiveCode for the first time
are going to go "gae quair" when they see their desktop vanish.
I really wonder if anyone, anywhere e
I got that as well ; not good.
Richmond.
On 7/19/17 2:37 am, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
I haven't seen this type of user abuse since StarOffice 4 . . .
Opening 8.1.6-rc2 turns on a backdrop. (Mac Sierra)
Even worse, it sets a default so that launching RC1 has that backdrop.
It took
Do your keyboard shortcuts work Mark? You could use Ctrl+M to pop open the
message box, and set the backdrop to none, then toggle it on and off via
the View menu, then hopefully it should be gone from your preferences.
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 6:25 AM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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Don't know if it helps, but I didn't see this behavior. I frequently turn
on the backdrop when screen sharing and turn it off later. I wonder if the
problem only occurs if there is no preference set yet?
Mac OS X El Capitan.
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> On 19 Jul 2017, at 2:10 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> wrote:
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> Nothing but a backdrop. Takes over the screen. Everything else is hidden
> behind the gray featureless backdrop. I had to alt-tab to a terminal window
> (what if I didn't have one already running?) in order to kill -9 liv
On 07/18/2017 08:55 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
On 19 Jul 2017, at 1:42 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
wrote:
Yep. LiveCode (any version) is now completely unusable for me.
Completely unusable might be overstating things a touch don’t you think? There is
a menu to remove
> On 19 Jul 2017, at 1:42 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Yep. LiveCode (any version) is now completely unusable for me.
Completely unusable might be overstating things a touch don’t you think? There
is a menu to remove the backdrop (View > Backdrop). Looking at the PR it was
m
On 07/18/2017 04:37 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
I haven't seen this type of user abuse since StarOffice 4 . . .
Opening 8.1.6-rc2 turns on a backdrop. (Mac Sierra)
Even worse, it sets a default so that launching RC1 has that backdrop.
It took me a while to figure out what the evil
I haven't seen this type of user abuse since StarOffice 4 . . .
Opening 8.1.6-rc2 turns on a backdrop. (Mac Sierra)
Even worse, it sets a default so that launching RC1 has that backdrop.
It took me a while to figure out what the evil sheet over my desktop was .
. .
(staroffice 4 bit into that "
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