mobile computing is consumer computing. Developers and inventive users will
keep on platforms that allow them to develop stuff. It means that slowly,
those users will move towards freedom so even though mobile computing will
be ubiquitous, you will find the developers and inventive users using
some
In the old days, Hypercard was. like a viral pandemic, infected the world
because it was bundled with every Macintosh. It was offered like a promotion, a
possibly valuable coupon one gets in the mail, which you will at least read
before throwing out, And it became a nerd fad, with many hundreds
Hi Andre,
Andre Garzia-3 wrote:
>
> mobile computing is consumer computing. Developers and inventive users
> will
> keep on platforms that allow them to develop stuff. It means that slowly,
> those users will move towards freedom so even though mobile computing will
> be ubiquitous, you will fin
> Without that once in a lifetime vehicle, it is an uphill
> battle to engage people who might fall in love with LC if
> they only were simply exposed to it. Worse, these days, the
> mindset is that everything comes in small ready-to-go
> packages, complete and compact. I have three kids who ju
Personally I spend a whole lot of time futzing with little things in Livecode,
where I ought to be focused on creating the user interface or writing the code.
I will give you an example:
I am creating an interface with buttons that have graphic icons. In order to
use the icons I have to first
Hi,
Craig said :
who might fall in love with LC if they only were simply
exposed to it
Amen to that !
This was my point - Who IS exposed to LiveCode ?
Maybe we can get some input from the LiveCode Commercial
Department. How do you go about tickling a non-LiveCode-User ?
Certainly not on
It's hard to get people who know non-scripted languages to even look at
Livecode, because they think that something simpler than what they already know
has to suffer from an equal lack of speed, usability, features, security etc.
Even still, if you can convince them that they can produce profess
I've never been a computer professional. Not even close. I taught myself to
write Basic programs for my Atari 64, mostly out of curiosity. Around 1984 I
taught myself HyperCard. I wrote a variety of applications for home and
business use. A pretty good phonics tutorial for my kids, among others.
Just to let you know that you're not alone -- I'm a similar LC user, started
with HC (actually bought and read through Danny Goodman's book even before I
bought my first Mac), developed a set of stacks to manage my clinical notes,
incorporated more and more features, moved it over to LC a number
Hi Francis,
Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
>
> Question 1 - Is programming so easy . ?
> I think we should ask the question "Is programming a niche occupation ?
>
I understand programming as an exercise in Logical thinking.
Yes, I know, trust me, I know. Everyday we see so
many counterexample
Craig,
You make some excellent points, most all I agree with. I was one of the few
who had a little experience in Fortran and Basic, but jumped at the HC
opportunity-- because it was there. Today, I believe there is so much more
'there' for folks. Tremendous interactive gaming consumes some. Other
Hi Chipp,
Could help if you could use Livecode inside
OpenOffice as scripting language, just like
they use Python?
Al
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Dear All,
Computer programming is born with the talent of a few designers capable of
creating "paterns" accessible to smaller processors. That was more than fifty
years ago and any computer program was running in the pure logic of a Turing
machine.
In the late 80's, Apple, Oracle, IBM and othe
Count me.
On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
> It's gradually dawning on me that "programmers" like me have become rather
> rare. Fewer and fewer non-professionals on this list, as far as I can tell. I
> don't understand why, seems like a shame.
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I'm going to say doom. I purchased the lifetime On-Rev and the 5 year license
when it was offered, partly because I want to see these guys thrive. If they do
not, then sooner or later Livecode is destined to fail. So I invested in them
when they needed capital to grow. If they had stock I would
That is a way of looking at things I suppose. But as I have said before, the
purpose of a business is to make money. That may offend some, but if Apple does
not succeed, then someone else will. They will be the bogie then. If RunRev had
not succeeded then we would not have our beloved Livecode.
A one-seat, one-platform version of LiveCode is quite affordable.
Here's a scheme that might draw new, untrained users. Make LC into some kind of
a game.
It starts with most of LC's features crippled or hidden. To unlock features you
have to solve challenges. Step one, obviously -- Make a field
Timothy,
I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Apple, with all it's marketing
prowess, and free version of HC, and included on every Mac, with no
competition from the Internet, and seriously hyped by all, still couldn't
make it work.
Let's not forget, HC was a TCP/IP stack away from BEING a f
I don't agree that Hypercard didn't work. It worked amazingly! Just not as a
mainstream development environment, but it was never marketed or presented as
such. A lot of people wrote Xcmd's for it. One guy wrote an Xcmd that allowed
you to access a dBase database file and read and write to it. I
I know, I tried to do it myself in the early 90s. TCP/IP on the mac was
quite unreliable.
On 28 July 2011 15:00, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>
> Let's not forget, HC was a TCP/IP stack away from BEING a first browser (
> http://www.isegoria.net/2008/05/hypercard-what-could-have-been/), so I'm
> don't
What Bob said.
Tim
On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I don't agree that Hypercard didn't work. It worked amazingly! Just not as a
> mainstream development environment, but it was never marketed or presented as
> such. A lot of people wrote Xcmd's for it. One guy wrote an Xcmd
On 28.07.2011 at 15:50 Uhr -0700 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote:
I don't agree that Hypercard didn't work. It worked amazingly! Just
not as a mainstream development environment, but it was never
marketed or presented as such. A lot of people wrote Xcmd's for it.
One guy wrote an Xcmd that allowed
Well I used it in a professional environment (AM Studios) for several years
and nobody seemed to mention that it might seem non-professional. I have
worked in 6502 and Z80 assembly for quite a while before the Mac and
hypercard. HC was quite a libration from the tedium of just getting a window
wit
Thinking about inventive users and open source software...
When I first read about the Open Source movement,
I though that it was a group of developers that
wanted to create software in the same way that an
artist creates his work:
A lasting work of art that trascend time
because of his many out
Hi Stephen,
Stephen Barncard-4 wrote:
>
> Well I used it in a professional environment (AM Studios) for several
> years
> and nobody seemed to mention that it might seem non-professional. I have
> worked in 6502 and Z80 assembly for quite a while before the Mac and
> hypercard. HC was quite a l
Yep. We wrote the first XCMD/Xtra for TCP/IP for Director. It was called
XtraNet. Macromedia tried to buy it from us.
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:51 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:
> I know, I tried to do it myself in the early 90s. TCP/IP on the mac was
> quite unrel
The way was to handle TCP/IP trough MacOS 8 + WebSTAR 3 <--TCP AppleEvent
sockets translator --> HC 2.4.1 hand made standalone server app (via Resedit,
if i right remember...). Worked in single thread mode only because the OS and
HC architectures ! ... Went to Linux, Apache and Metacard cgi beca
> If I recall, HyperCard was called an "erector set" for Mac users, not
> necessarily programmers, and indeed used mostly by non-professional
> programmers. There was also an Xcmd for Valentina -- yes, I started
> using Valentina database with HyperCard -- and it worked really well
> but Valent
Alejandro Tejada wrote:
Thinking about inventive users and open source software...
When I first read about the Open Source movement,
I though that it was a group of developers that
wanted to create software in the same way that an
artist creates his work:
A lasting work of art that trascend ti
If we believe that technical design can be arts relevant (my case,...),
sailboats, cars or information's systems can be arts relevant ;-) it's probably
why the Alan's Turing works gave the binary coding paradigm to computers,
because why the Linus Torwalds initiative gave us Linux, because why J
>From the archives:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Human+Code+Unveils+XtraNet+Technology+Enabling+Shockwave+Applications...-a018567832
Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> Yep. We wrote the first XCMD/Xtra for TCP/IP for Director. It was called
> XtraNet. Macromedia tried to buy it from us.
>
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I have a saying: If everyone can do it, it's not art. And even if only a few
can do it, it's still not art!
Bob
On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
> If we believe that technical design can be arts relevant (my case,...),
> sailboats, cars or information's systems can be arts r
"The artistry of open source may be subtle, but it's pervasive." - Sir Richard
Gaskin -
;-)
Le 29 juil. 2011 à 17:51, Richard Gaskin a écrit :
> Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>
>> Thinking about inventive users and open source software...
>>
>> When I first read about the Open Source movement,
>> I
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Renting application use out of a
> cloud would be the same has handing over your wallet to a stranger.
>
Which you already happily do right.
I look in my wallet an there are a couple of notes and a couple of plastic
cards. The notes
Kay echoes my sentiments, both with regards to time and appreciation of LC!
FWIW I'm a non-pro who found Rev when version 1 was given away on the front
of a computer mag, and once I got past "where's the equivalent of a
writeline command??" and managed hello world I found the learning curve to
be
Kay C Lan wrote:
I look in my wallet an there are a couple of notes and a couple of plastic
cards. The notes represent about 0.01% of iMoney I have in my account. I can
use those plastic cards to access the BankCloud and if the strangers at the
Bank are willing, the machine will give me more rea
On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>> I look in my wallet an there are a couple of notes and a couple of plastic
>> cards. The notes represent about 0.01% of iMoney I have in my account. I can
>> use those plastic cards to access the BankCloud and if the stra
:-)
>
> I've always wondered why they're called "brokers" ... I think if I were in
> that line of work I'd find another way of describing it.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmb...@gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Kay C Lan wrote:
>
> I look in my wallet an there are a couple of notes and a couple of plastic
>> cards. The notes represent about 0.01% of iMoney I have in my account. I
>> can
>> use those plastic cards to access the BankCloud and if t
Meanwhile, a comprehensive LC tutorial, extremely user friendly, written in LC,
starting at the most elementary level...
Has it been envisioned?
Tim
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I too am not a professional programmer and did not come from a Hypercard
background. As a physician and clinical researcher, I found RunRev 5 years ago
because I wanted to test a theory that syringomyelia (a pathologic cyst in the
spinal cord) would affect motor control, which might prove usefu
Briefly, there was Revolution Media, a FREE version of the IDE that, while
it couldn't build stand-along apps or do some of the database interfacing,
had the whole language and development environment right there at your
fingertips. Seeing that made me happy for Livecode's future. It meant that
any
That's insane! No one in their right mind would do that! ;-)
Bob
On Jul 30, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Strange what we think we'd never do.
>
> Or even stranger, we could trust our money to so-called professional money
> managers who mishandle it so badly that the world econom
I think the theory behind money is that it gives everyone a common reference to
the amount of productive work a person has performed, so that if you were a
blacksmith and the baker's horse didn't need shoes right now, you wouldn't go
hungry. It has a lot of advantages, but of course one disadvan
Hi Roger,
Thanks for the link... Loan sharking is the most destructive way of putting the
theory of increasing returns in the interests of a few still fewer.
Saas information systems tailored to the needs of the majority are the other
possible scope of the economic model of increasing returns t
Hi Tim,
Timothy Miller-2 wrote:
>
> Meanwhile, a comprehensive LC tutorial, extremely user friendly,
> written in LC, starting at the most elementary level...
>
> Has it been envisioned?
>
> Tim
>
This is the free MetaTalk Programmer :-D
http://www.metacard.com/pi6.html
http://www.canelaso
Alejandro,
Something better is needed... and geared towards the true inventive user
and less towards the newbie programmer.
Best,
Judy
http://bingo.economy-x-talk.com/
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
http://www.metacard.com/pi6.html
http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard24/m
Le 4 août 2011 à 06:30, Judy Perry a écrit :
> Something better is needed... and geared towards the true inventive user and
> less towards the newbie programmer.
The great strength of HyperCard was to offer us hundreds of preprogrammed
stacks that we could arrange as a lego to build our first
> > Something better is needed... and geared towards the true
> inventive user and less towards the newbie programmer.
>
> The great strength of HyperCard was to offer us hundreds of
> preprogrammed stacks that we could arrange as a lego to build
> our first applications before we had to put ou
I think we overlook the novelty aspect of Hypercard when it was first released,
combined with the fact that it was just "there". Tell all Mac users that their
new OS allows them to make custom apps without having to buy anything or
install anything, and those inclined are going to give it a go.
Indeed.
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Pierre Sahores wrote:
The great strength of HyperCard was to offer us hundreds of preprogrammed
stacks that we could arrange as a lego to build our first applications before
we had to put our fingers in the dust to understand how these stacks were coded.
But clearly, having NONE is not the answer.
Judy
http://bingo.economy-x-talk.com/
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
But I think the question is, if all the programmatic elements that created
the HC phenonemon then were implemented in LC today, would the end result be
similar to what
> But clearly, having NONE is not the answer.
Well, but it is an answer, until you find the right business case to "ask
the question". I don't think it's a question of if LiveCode could fit the
role or not that HC did. We've been talking about all these great free
stacks HC had (or caused to make)
I think like many other software driven technologies, LC has passed by the
basic "inventive" user HC may have been intended for.
For instance, I quit using MS Word. It just got too complicated and I don't
typically do desktop publishing, or write large books, so I pretty much
stick with Google Doc
Hi Chipp,
I agree with your commentary about the differences
between Now and Then.
Everyone agrees that this platform needs more
exposure and in a previous message, I asked about
the possibility of creating some plug-in to use
LiveCode as an alternate scripting language
in Open Office:
http://fr
Al,
While certainly LC would be wonderful as a scripting language for Open
Office, there are significant business issues which come to mind preventing
such use. The most obvious being LC is not Open Source.
IMO, Open Office is not enough of a "draw" to warrant LC swallowing the open
source pill.
But, Is really necessary to embrace open source
to use Livecode as scripting language in Open
Office?
Notice that iPad, iPhone and iPod uses C#
and Android uses Java...
When you create applications for these platforms,
LiveCode apps does not get compiled as C# and
Java executables?
This means th
Alejandro-
It's not nearly that simple. Here's an example:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/application-development/oracle-javas-worst-enemy-168828
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I find it interesting that we've identified that a couple of things that
made HyperCard great was that it was initially free with every Mac and it
came with loads of free examples.
I'm not sure that it was targeted towards inventive users, but just a
continuation of the philosophy that as computer
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