@Sean Ok i have to agree. It is looking very professional. and maybe you are
right. In this way that i think that for employees of a company this is good to
work with. Even the loading times, i acknowledge in that case it is workable.
For an average unknown visitor or possible customer who
Yes Sean, that looks good!
Already when I see the table, I’m blind typing, trying the page up/down keys on
the keyboard, resizing the window while it is loading, trying to stress it…
Peter
> On Oct 8, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> I'll say that is a good job
I'll say that is a good job so far. The grid is very responsive (but I am
using a pretty fast laptop). Second time to the page was much faster than
the first. And I'll agree that some of the corporate web apps that I have
to use can take time to get themselves ready for anything. Even the SAP
> On 8 Oct 2019, at 19:37, JJS via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> So that's why i say, the HTML5 export is a nice thing to experiment, but no
> visitor is going to return after the first time of long waiting, not even if
> the 2nd time is somewhat quicker
Again, this only potentially applies to
When first connecting to a KIP plotter web portal it takes sometimes 20 to 30
seconds to load the page. Before that it's blank. What we need to do is stop
giving web devs right out of college the responsibility for creating web
portals. ;-) (Always blame it on them yungsters is my motto.)
Bob
If you watch the movie a bit on the link i posted about the webapps, it
is quite interesting. Superfast loading, works on all platforms, on all
browsers. Pages and applications. Works even Offline via caches. All
your work is synced when going online again (in case you have a bad
connection or
Pi Digital wrote:
> I also don’t trust this statistic of 3 seconds. Count out 3 seconds
> and see if that feels uncomfortable to you to give up.
3 seconds is the shortest threshold I've seen suggested as critical.
But there's no debate on the principle in general: longer load times
lose
And as we know from past experience, the loading bar doesn't even have to
reflect the *actual* progress! ;-)
Bob S
> On Oct 8, 2019, at 04:45 , Pi Digital via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> That would be true for a ‘page’ that did not load in 3 sec but if you have a
> loading bar they would
I really don't think so. Even with a loading bar, i aint gonna wait that long,
maybe just one time. In the 28K8 era we waited for +20minutes for a few
megabytes, because it was new. Now everyone is spoiled with fast internet and
always in a hurry. "Remember that 87.6543 % of statistics are made
For me this depends on the website.
For new unknown websites, let´s say i found the url by a google search, i would
not wait any longer than 3, maybe 5 seconds, even if a loading bar would show
up.
For websites i know or if i really have an important reason to visit them, i
would wait of
Hehe. That statistic is served by DoubleClick. Definitely NOT to be trusted!
It’s also self-serving to Google’s narrative. Click the link to drill down to
the source details and Safari blocks it as untrustworthy. Chrome doesn’t but
that’s because it’s made by Google!! 53% at 3 seconds indeed.
That would be true for a ‘page’ that did not load in 3 sec but if you have a
loading bar they would probably be more willing.
While developing for HTML5 I have to post up to the website and then refresh
the page to reload the whole thing which takes about 10 seconds. But even after
repeated
by the way scroll a bit down, you'll read: 53% of the website visitors
will click away if it does not load within 3 seconds.
Think again about the html5 export...too slow to load.
Then you are better off writing a html page yourself and add html5 stuff
in it, mucho faster
Op 7-10-2019 om
, while on the other hand you can put something extra on your
website and it can be installable as a webapp on your mobile, so that it
becomes faster than ever to load.
https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps
Op 7-10-2019 om 18:18 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
Because Apple is no longer going to accept apps that are nothing more than a
web portal.
> On Oct 5, 2019, at 05:47 , R.H. via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Let us face the fact that today's browsers are capable of almost
> everything you want to do with a rich application. Why should I develop
I have a theory that the solution to a problem cannot be simpler than the
problem itself. If it is, then the problem wasn't as complex as first imagined.
The issue with developing with multiple dissimilar platforms is that the
interface is SOOO different between desktop and mobile, that a
Hi Roland
This is the very reason my client and I have opted for the HTML5 LC. Easy
language for him to handle, operating in the browser, no need to go through IT
departments to have it installed on their systems. This is a seriously MAJOR
plus for us. 100% of my clients customers IT depts
I always appreciate Richards insight and clear expressions. Thank you
Richard.
What do we really want LiveCode to be?
Honestly, I would enjoy LiveCode to replace JavaScript and would put this
as CHOICE NUMBER ONE, ONE and ONE.
And, of course, I know, this will not work.
Let us face the fact
Thank you Richard for diverting us onto a more productive direction.
This won't be my only reply to this thread. This is mostly a discussion
of "what do I want", rather than "what can we do".
On 04/10/2019 18:47, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
"Where would we like LiveCode to be?"
Sorry, I didn't see it until January. It must have been forwarded.
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On October 4, 2019 2:13:59 PM "Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode"
wrote:
On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Bob Sneidar via
On an old sock. Which explains why it's missing.
Bob S
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 14:52 , Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> That’s because she won’t write that message until a few months from now...
>
> Jeff
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 5:10 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
that LiveCode offers a far, far gentler entry
point to
young learners.
Richmond.
On 4.10.19 20:47, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
The question was: Where is LiveCode now?
It's in the 21st century, where proprietary software continues to
thrive in consumer segments, but nearly all in
On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
wrote:
>
> Talk to Jacgue about that. Bring extra socks.
I’ll bring it up when we meet last week. She seems to have misplaced next
month’s message . . .
—
Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
The Hawkins Law Firm
3430 E. Flamingo Rd.
Suite
wrote:
The question was: Where is LiveCode now?
It's in the 21st century, where proprietary software continues to
thrive in consumer segments, but nearly all infrastructure and dev
tools are Free and Open Source.
Compare and contrast:
-
Python in the third most popular language in the world.
The question was: Where is LiveCode now?
It's in the 21st century, where proprietary software continues to thrive
in consumer segments, but nearly all infrastructure and dev tools are
Free and Open Source.
Compare and contrast:
-
Python in the third most popular language in the world
Talk to Jacgue about that. Bring extra socks.
Bob S
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 04:36 , Heather Laine via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> We do not as yet have the ability to time travel in order to prevent the
> issue having arisen.
___
use-livecode
There are probably quite a few who, like me, have used LC/RR/MC for years,
creating in-house labor-saving devices (for myself, they are mostly of the
variety "pull A,B, and C from X, rearrange them and format them to Y, and spit
the result out as a text file"). Could I have [attempted] to
Dear Sean,
If you look back through that thread you will see that we did more than
apologise. We expressed regret, and we also showed willing to jump in and fix
the issue as soon as was humanly possible. Which is all anyone can do when
something goes wrong. We do not as yet have the ability to
And there it is (indeed)!! You still managed to get out of apologising to me,
LC. Pft!
Sean Cole
Pi Digital Prod Ltd
> On 4 Oct 2019, at 10:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> :) and there it is. I am happy and relieved to be able to forgive and move
> on.
>
> We all want the
:) and there it is. I am happy and relieved to be able to forgive and move on.
We all want the same thing here: for LiveCode to be hugely successful. Our
official BHAG (Big Hairy Audacious Goal, this is real actual terminology
believe it or not) as stated in our company articles is and has been
Possibly, on rereading my intemperate posting I should be banished to
the naughty corner at least.
I do apologise for all the obvious offense my posting has caused.
However, I will state that that posting was an explosion of frustration
about some issues I feel are very real indeed.
I do
I followed this thread, and what came up to me is "Don't kill your darling"
I've seen this with Synthmaker/Flowstone happening too, people not
happy, starting to rant or whatever, murdering the thing you love.
Be constructive!
I truly believe that a lot of programmers here, including myself,
To banish Richmond, or to banish bugs? Which is the bigger problem?
Which is more directly responsible for the existence of this thread?
I would encourage looking at "net" bugs: bugs fixed, versus bugs
introduced or regressed, during a time period. In development there are
always bugs, and
I was more impressed by the more than 1 fixes. :)
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Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On October 3, 2019 10:35:18 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode
wrote:
On 10/3/19 7:51 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Hm.
On 10/3/19 7:51 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Hm. The search stops at 1.
Try narrowing it by date. For instance, an impressive 130 bugs resolved
since the release of LC 9.0.5 on 16 May.
Hm. The search stops at 1.
"This list is too long for The LiveCode Quality Control Center's little
mind; the Next/Prev/First/Last buttons won't appear on individual bugs."
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Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On October 3,
You speak for me too. The only people who could say such things about LC
are those who don't know them. Anyone who does know them knows that
everything Richmond said is false. "Ill-informed" is putting it mildly.
LC are very open to constructive criticism, but rants just make the speaker
a
Hi Heather, thanks for the update.
Richmond, that was way over the top dude. I respect your right to say your
peace, and not much of it rings wholly true to me.
I pretty much just trust the team, last I talked to Kevin, he seemed sure
of the direction that they are taking..and for nowesp
Hi Heather,
I can only speak for myself, however I think others might be with me on this,
I think you guys ROCK! I understand the complexities involved in creating
incredibly beautiful software that makes it look very easy to make other
software. You make it easy for me to create easy to
LC team,
I too so appreciate all the work the LC team has done over the years and
continues to do. I’ve used probably a dozen different commercial coding systems
over the decades and LC thru all it’s incarnations back to good old MetaCard
with Scott was the one that provided the needed
Yes, most certainly agreed
> On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> For my part I love what you guys do. As I've mentioned before, Livecode has
> upped my value to my employer, as they see that I am capable of more than
> what they hider me to do. It may even
Amen Bob!
Phil Davis
On 10/3/19 9:31 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
For my part I love what you guys do. As I've mentioned before, Livecode has
upped my value to my employer, as they see that I am capable of more than what
they hider me to do. It may even have been responsible for a
For my part I love what you guys do. As I've mentioned before, Livecode has
upped my value to my employer, as they see that I am capable of more than what
they hider me to do. It may even have been responsible for a couple raises in
the recent past.
Also as I have mentioned before, I have
Dear List Folks,
I'd like to reassure you, the team is anything but idle, and the fruits of
their labours are coming your way. I don't wish to steal Pano's thunder, but
you should look for an announcement on 9.0.5 tomorrow (all being well with the
build, which is currently undergoing final
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