On May 17, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
Of course with such small numbers, one can not really draw a
conclusive decision,
I think the answer to how successful this release and any other
release is will be very subjective. I don't think it is reasonable
to expect the
Sorry if this has been discussed already. I've been off the list for a
while...doing my day job...blah.
Will apps built with Rev 2.6 be useable with the new operating systems by
Mirosoft and Apple?
I'm assuming they will be!
Many thanks,
tm
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while...doing my day job...blah.
Will apps built with Rev 2.6 be useable with the new operating systems by
Mirosoft and Apple?
As far as Mac goes, I think Rev 2.7 was the first version to be able
to build Universal
From: Thomas McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Will apps built with Rev 2.6 be useable with the new operating systems by
Mirosoft and Apple?
2.6.1 does run on Vista (and so do standalones) however the window painting
isn't fully implemented AFAICT so the support won't be everything that is
Completely agree with you, Mark!
As a relatively new user of Revolution 2 years (with a few software projects
completed during this time which would not be possible without Rev) I was
also extremely satisfied to see Altuit products eventually integrated into
the IDE. Now it is not anymore a
I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and have a
problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly:
put 20/4/02 into testDate
-- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
convert testDate from short english date to
Am 18.05.2007 um 00:48 schrieb Hershel Fisch:
Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could
connect to
a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually
coping the
standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database
external
folder of the
Joel wrote a long, and fairly sesquedepelian,
disquisition on Bugs that were not fixed in 2.8.1.
On my lap just now I have:
Modern Systems Analysis And Designs by Hoffer,
George and Valacich - Prentice Hall, 2002 - ISBN
0-13-042363-7
This (extremely boring and tedious) book goes to great
Dave wrote:
It's not that there are bugs, it's that the same bugs
remain there
release after release while new features were added
(with their own
set of new bugs, so the list got bigger) and we were
expectws to pay
for new versions over and over again with all the old
problems still
I see that 2.8.1 does not have a build for the Classic Mac platform
at this time. My recollection was that 2.7.4 promised it would be
available when 2.8 was released. Maybe promised is too strong.
Indicated, perhaps? Can we believe that it will definitely be part
of the 2.9 release?
Joe
In the context of computers, isn't it more normal for Giga to
indicate Kilo * Mega?
Best,
Mark
On 18 May 2007, at 10:11, Dave wrote:
constant GIGA=MEGA * MEGA
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On 18 May 2007, at 05:30, Chipp Walters wrote:
Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy
is saying!
Surely that's where two way communication comes in handy?
Cheers,
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David, are you sure you've understood what english denotes in
Revolution?
From the docs:
english
Used with the date and time functions to specify a date or time in
the format used in the United States.
So 20/4/02 is not an english date
Best,
Mark
On 18 May 2007, at 09:17, David
Hi,
We are talking about a Disk Address not a RAM address. I just want to
read a small amount of data (say 100 bytes) from *anywhere* in a
file. For instance:
read from file myFile at 2147483647 for 100 works, but
read from file myFile at 2147483648 for 100 doesn't!
(I haven't test this
Hi,
It's not that there are bugs, it's that the same bugs remain there
release after release while new features were added (with their own
set of new bugs, so the list got bigger) and we were expectws to pay
for new versions over and over again with all the old problems still
there!
Hi,
Nobody is expecting me to pay for anything - it is
entirely up to me. Why you imagine Runtime Revolution
expect you to pay beats me: undoubtedly they would
like you to pay to support their R D - but whether
you decide to or not is up to you.
Perhaps I could have used a better word then
Hello list,
1) if p = schoen, the following statement will work:
revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED],,p,textbody
will work;
if p = schön (german umlaut for oe), no new mail appears.
2) if p = test and ttext = hello, dear friends,
revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED],,p,ttext works,
if ttext = hällo, liebe
Reminds me of the saying There's never enough time to do it right, but
always time to do it over.
Andy
RR 2.5.1
- Original Message -
Dave wrote:
It's not that there are bugs, it's that the same bugs
remain there
release after release while new features were added
(with their own
I just completed my first rev app and would like to thank all from this list
for the help.
I am looking for a program to create an installer of the new app what are
your recommendations?
Thanks
Rob
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Hiya,
Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build
470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
Went to the runrev.com site ok.
Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash.
Anyone seen this?
I'm on OS X 10.4.9
Cheers,
Luis.
Hiya,
Did you do a fresh install or an update from the 'Help/Check for
Updates' menu?
I noticed some of the folders got re-jigged.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 17 May 2007, at 23:48, Hershel Fisch wrote:
Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could
connect to
a database in a
Hi Jacqueline,
you wrote:
It might all come clear if you take a look at the dictionary
entries for topstack and defaultstack.
I have spent the night trying out your syntax and rereading
the dictionary. First of all let me say that your approach:
put the id of this card of stack myApp
Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called
From: Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just completed my first rev app and would like to thank all from this
list for the help.
Congratulations!!
I am looking for a program to create an installer of the new app what are
your recommendations?
That depends on your intended platform. If
Hi,
Le 18 mai 07 à 12:45, Luis a écrit :
Hiya,
Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build
470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
Went to the runrev.com site ok.
Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash.
Anyone seen this?
I'm on OS X 10.4.9
Yep ! Same for
Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called
Hiya,
Thanks for that. I've reported it: Bug 4991.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 18 May 2007, at 11:49, 00bioarchimed wrote:
Hi,
Le 18 mai 07 à 12:45, Luis a écrit :
Hiya,
Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build
470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
Went to
Hello,
That's bug # 3410 opened on 006-03-21 with a normal severity...
Perhaps will it be fixed it in the next version...
Regards,
ÉrIC
Le 18 mai 07 à 12:09, R.Hillen a écrit :
Hello list,
1) if p = schoen, the following statement will work:
revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED],,p,textbody
will
We call that sort of English the gringo English here but that is probably
also incorrect as I think the first use of gringo was for British soldiers.
But convert dateitems to the gringo date would be cool.
On 5/18/07 7:39 AM, Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah - so that definitely
The docs contain the following information about the detailed files:
The detailed files form returns a list of files, one file per line.
Each line contains the following attributes, separated by commas:
* The file's name, URL-encoded
* The file's size in bytes (on Mac OS and OS X
Dear Richmond,
Thank you for illuminating my rather harassed Friday with laughter.
On 18 May 2007, at 10:35, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
As I am strapped for cash, but see Runtime
Revolutionas an extremely good RAD I am supporting
them by Beta testing. However nobody from Runtime
Revolution has
Hi,
I have a handler that transforms a table1 (that is placed in a
variable) in another one, say table2 (that has to be placed in a field)
My aim is to convey the data of table1 into table2, but displayed in
another order.
The handler that transforms table1 into table2 involves (mainly)
Bonjour André,
Le 18 mai 07 à 15:59, André.Bisseret a écrit :
Hi,
I have a handler that transforms a table1 (that is placed in a
variable) in another one, say table2 (that has to be placed in a
field)
My aim is to convey the data of table1 into table2, but displayed
in another order.
Hi André,
BTW working with variables is much faster because, mainly, the
screen is refreshed only once :-)
As for this point, what about an invisible field (getting visible
only when all is done) ? does this remain slower than with a
variable ?
Good practice could be:
1. If you can,
Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
I see that 2.8.1 does not have a build for the Classic Mac platform
at this time. My recollection was that 2.7.4 promised it would be
available when 2.8 was released.
It might be helpful for RunRev to have some quantification of the
projected audience size.
Do
Le 18 mai 07 à 16:18, Eric Chatonet a écrit :
Bonjour André,
Le 18 mai 07 à 15:59, André.Bisseret a écrit :
My question is : are there commands that work on data in a field
but not on data in a variable ? Specifically, does « find » works
in a variable as well as in a field ?
Am I
Ok, thanks a lot Éric for this good practice advices that I was not
applying enough up to now. I think it is the first time I have a
handler that takes so much time (several seconds !)
Cordiales salutations de Grenoble
André
Le 18 mai 07 à 16:53, Eric Chatonet a écrit :
Hi André,
BTW
On May 18, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Scott Kane wrote:
From: Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just completed my first rev app and would like to thank all from
this list for the help.
Congratulations!!
I am looking for a program to create an installer of the new app
what are your
On May 17, 2007, at 11:36 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:
- Even when version 2.9 is released, it will still have bugs. Every
product
more complex than a coffee mug has bugs.
Ahem! I beg to differ:
groan
http://www.collectorsconnection.com/imagesh1/39a308.jpg
/groan
Devin
Devin Asay
Humanities
On May 18, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Luis wrote:
Hiya,
Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build
470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
Went to the runrev.com site ok.
Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash.
Anyone seen this?
Luis,
Sorry, I couldn't find a
Ooopsy, did mean bbc.co.uk
Cheers,
Luis.
On 18 May 2007, at 16:37, Devin Asay wrote:
On May 18, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Luis wrote:
Hiya,
Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build
470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
Went to the runrev.com site ok.
Went
I understand what you're saying, but my statement was concerned with
the fact that it was your demo: Not knowing what the demo was I opted
for the general view that this was reported by a standard user, who
is often naive, which I judged from the 'bug report'.
Most naive users do not
Pretty hard to tell, Richard; of course there is me - for testing at
least (smile). As for the rest it could be huge or it could be zero,
in-so-far as this will be a test app for the whole concept. It's been
very slow coming together, but the publisher would like it to have as
large a
On 5/18/07, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 18 May 2007, at 05:30, Chipp Walters wrote:
Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy
is saying!
Surely that's where two way communication comes in handy?
With Rev having hundreds of bugs to go through, anyone serious
It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple
of seconds later boom!
Cheers,
Luis.
On 18 May 2007, at 16:42, Luis wrote:
Ooopsy, did mean bbc.co.uk
Cheers,
Luis.
On 18 May 2007, at 16:37, Devin Asay wrote:
On May 18, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Luis wrote:
Hiya,
To take that a step further, you can put a symbolic link to the
Applications folder in the DMG along with a hidden background image
with a big arrow pointing from the app to the Applications folder.
Ian
On 18 May 2007, at 16:07, Devin Asay wrote:
Another good option is to simply create a
Hi everyone,
after another round of research I have found that I am not the first to
stumble on this bug
On Jan 19, 2006 at 10:35 PM Steve Wagenseller posted to the list:
I'm trapping the Quit message from the menubar via a shutdownrequest
handler, but in the standalone, something curious
On 5/18/07, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I understand what you're saying, but my statement was concerned with
the fact that it was your demo: Not knowing what the demo was I opted
for the general view that this was reported by a standard user, who
is often naive, which I judged from the 'bug
Michael, I certainly don't claim to have the ultimate wisdom
regarding this, but if memory serves, there have been a number of
discussions on this list regarding ambiguities in the use of 'me',
'this', 'the target' and other words in Revolution.
I think the consensus has been that these
Joe,
All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X.
All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can only run OS X.
OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead.
People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software for their
OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a
Paul, that's fine; perhaps we should change the standalone dialogs to
reflect that fact. I'll still be using OS9 for most of my work until
the day I die. Too much good stuff that works better on OS9 than OSX.
And I can see it without all of that transparency baloney. Thanks. I
don't
Jeff,
That WAS my opinion too; so thanks for the back-up supporting my
view. It IS really the schools rather than the parents who are buying
new machines that keeps 0S9 alive.
Joe Wilkins
On May 18, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:
Joe and Richard,
Dropping os9 is not a solution
Joe and Richard,
Dropping os9 is not a solution if you build for the K-6 education
market. there are still gobs of system 9 (and even a good number of
8x systems) out there and the publisher and distributors all want the
stuff to be osx and os9 compatible. we even have had school district
I have posted this topic before and reported a bug 4927 !
Just an update ,
I tried Sarah's SerialTest.rev as well , this hung the PC on pressing the Open
Port Button.
Again , the only way out was to reboot the PC !
Running Windows XP
Using IVT BlueSoleil (USB to Bluetooth Adapter)
Before
My app allows users to send a word to a search engine for more
examples of usage. With help from the list I've gotten it to work
with languages using the Latin alphabet, Russian, even Hindi..
It does fail, though, when I send a search string in Russian that
includes any punctuation or
Fortunately, I have one of the last and greatest G4s. It's about 8
years old now - I think. So my only concern is whether the drives
will continue to work forever. (smile) I tried to boot up my SE30 the
other day and, probably because I had forgotten to keep it plugged in
so that the
Great advice, Chipp.
As one who recently had two or three bugs fixed directly due to my
efforts, it really happens. What helped immensely was that I
included a video clip to show events leading up to the problem, and a
talking narrative at the same time. Also the crash reports furnished
It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple
of seconds later boom!
Cheers,
Luis.
On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error dialog
that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then it loads
and looks normal. Probably just
Joe,
All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X.
All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can only run OS X.
OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead.
People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software for their
OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a
Jeff Reynolds wrote:
Dropping os9 is not a solution if you build for the K-6 education
market.
I hear you on that. I know a good many teachers, and it's tragic how
low their budgets get prioritized, esp. when we consider so many other
useless things the money gets spent for.
I think you
Joe,
I found the transparency annoying as well.
But Apple has toned it down. I'm running 10.4.9 and all of my windows are
appropriately solid.
I liked OS 7 and was disappointed when the initial OS 8 lacked some of the OS
7 features. The original OS 9 did not work as well as OS 8.6 (especially
On May 18, 2007, at 7:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Do you have a feel for how many of your customers are still running
OS 9?
Having served the education market for almost 11 years has taught me
that it is slow to get rid of new technology. Apple has forced
everyone to be on the same
Chipp, I think you may be drawing the wrong lesson. Of course the bug you
mention is not useful. The problem is that the database contains it. That
tells you something. Bill's remark, that the database contains lots of stuff
that is already fixed also tells you something. Its good news and
I was just going over the new features article in the Rev newsletter.
Wow! Now I get how 'Private Handlers' and the 'split by row and
column' features could really be useful.. speed..
very well done explanatory article. Thanks Marcus and Oliver. Nice to
get details from the
I was flipping between Mail, Safari and Rev 2.8.1, and saw a brief
flash of a bizarre tooltip while the cursor was near the vertical
scrollbar of a script window:
'Intelligent use of mouseControl' or something similar to that.
Did I just find an Easter egg?
Ian
Hello,
I'll have to made a CDRom (Mac/Win) with a lot of pictures.
All pictures are in a folder beside the app.
How protect this folder ?
Thanks.
Rev. 2.6.1 for now
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Hi Ludovic,
I think you're wasting your time trying to protect pictures. If you
use them, someone will find a way to copy them. Maybe you could come
up with a scheme to scramble the pixels and then unscramble them in
your program when you use them, but that is going to take a lot of
On May 18, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
Hi Ludovic,
I think you're wasting your time trying to protect pictures. If you
use them, someone will find a way to copy them. Maybe you could
come up with a scheme to scramble the pixels and then unscramble
them in your program
Howdy,
I'm cautiously upgrading from DC 2.7.4 to Media version 2.7.4
So, there's my first question. The similarity of the version numbers
suggests this is an imaginary upgrade, though I'll have to pay for
it, after 30 days? Is that true?
(I don't mind paying for it. The price is
Oops. Forgot to ask in previous post...
If I save my stacks in the current version of Media, will I still be
able to open and run them in DC 2.7.4?
--also--
Does RR plan to bug-fix and upgrade Media, parallel to Studio?
Tim
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It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple
of seconds later boom!
Cheers,
Luis.
On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error dialog
that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then it loads
and looks normal. Probably just
Michael Binder wrote:
Hi everyone,
after another round of research I have found that I am not the first to
stumble on this bug
Oops, I believe you now. ;) Sorry about all the long, tangential
explanations.
I just did some tests and there is something weird going on. If a second
answer
Hi Ludovic and Joe,
I fully agree with Joe. It is a waste of time to try to protect a
folder. When your programme is running, the folder will be
unprotected and people can copy the files. If people can't figure out
how to copy files, they can still make a screenshot.
As an alternative,
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With v2.9, v3.0, v4.0 and beyond, any version that includes Classic
support will be short-lived, so the practice of using two versions of Rev
will become the norm anyway not long after they release a new Classic
engine.
I didn't really get into the
Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
While trying to add the creation date to the filename in a thumbs
application I noticed that the creation date is actually item 5 of the
detailed files rather than item 4, number 4 really containing the
modification date.
Since the detailed files was introduced in Rev
From: Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow! Now I get how 'Private Handlers' and the 'split by row and column'
features could really be useful.. speed..
Yes. I just read about this. Very cool! 'Private Handlers' have
incredible potential and the shortening of how arrays are
Richmond, I concur completely.
Just one thing though.
Don't you think that Work Around should become,e a reserved word, not only
in RR but all the RADs in use by our profession?
Cal
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On 5/18/07, Peter Alcibiades [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chipp, I think you may be drawing the wrong lesson. Of course the bug you
mention is not useful. The problem is that the database contains
it. That
tells you something. Bill's remark, that the database contains lots of
stuff
that is
On 18 May 2007, at 17:21, Chipp Walters wrote:
My point was to show all bugs are not created equal. How do you
resolve a
bug which starts:
RunRev doesn't work. --user
What's the problem. --RR
It's broken -user
How can I help? --RR
When I step on the pedal, it doesn't go forward! -user
On May 18, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Luis wrote:
Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug
email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to
fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page
with as many options as possible as pull downs,
I haven't seen that many OS9 boxes around lately, except for my old
iMac (I need it, I haven't finished The Journeyman Project yet).
Anyroad, if issues of workload are to be borne in mind regarding
unsupported OSs the we should also ditch Windows 98. Although I
wouldn't agree with it on
Oh Essex 10.4.9
Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor issue,
as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's crashed too
(assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise).
Cheers,
Luis.
On 18 May 2007, at 21:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It loads ok, but
Had a look at it, but still doesn't offer that many options to drill
down the issue: I'm trying to avoid the bug reporter from having to
type 'too much'.
For example for a graphics app (these would be spread across as well
as down the page!):
* = Selected
Options/Pull downs
Your system
On 5/18/07, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug
email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to
fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page with
as many options as possible as pull downs,
Luis wrote:
On 19 May 2007, at 0:13, Mark Talluto wrote:
RevZilla by Ken Ray does pretty much that. Have you given it a
try? It runs right in Rev.
Had a look at it, but still doesn't offer that many options to drill
down the issue: I'm trying to avoid the bug reporter from having to
From: Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyroad, if issues of workload are to be borne in mind regarding
unsupported OSs the we should also ditch Windows 98. Although I wouldn't
agree with it on the grounds that there are tonnes of these around (I
even saw 3.1 'For Workgoups' on every machine in a
I agree on Millenium Edition, I won't even touch the bargepole!
The reason they told me why they were still using 3.1 was the cost of
the upgrade: In order to have all departments in sync they'd have to
upgrade all their systems in one go.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 19 May 2007, at 1:34, Scott
Nope, it's in my head.
Cheers,
luis.
On 19 May 2007, at 0:58, Chipp Walters wrote:
On 5/18/07, Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug
email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to
fill in the details of the
On 19 May 2007, at 1:13, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Revzilla's written in Rev, so you could make your UI as a wizard
for it. I'm sure Ken would be willing to add it to his web page as
a Revzilla add-on.
Let us know when you have it done. Sounds cool.
I'll let it float around in my head
All good points Paul. I'm sure ancient Macs, and Apple II's are still in use
in some schools (though my publicly schooled daughter's 5th grade has only
OSX Macs and WinXP PCs). Too bad Apple didn't use Intel processors, or you
could load up the computer with a version of Linux which works just
Ludovic,
You can easily store an image, or many images, in a custom property of a
stack or stacks. Then, it's a simple matter to open the stack invisibly,
grab the customProp and set the imageData of a 'blank' image on your 'main'
stack to it. Should be pretty fast as well. This will discourage
nope, a lot of schools wont do this unless folks like you with the
savvy to figure out how to do this go in and volunteer to do it, you
donate the money for the the copies of osx for their computers, then
you will have to come in and train the teachers how to use the osx,
then you will
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