> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
> > Tough one, Marty, because there are so many free languages out there
> > that educational administrators' first knee-jerk reaction (as Andre
> > says in his reply) is to look to cost. But if you can get them past
> > that point then I imagine Judy Perry will have some comp
This is very TAOO ish...
> Mark Wieder wrote:
> > "Erasmatron 4 is being rebuilt from the ground up in Java
> in order to
> > enable full cross-platform compatibility."
> >
> > http://www.erasmatazz.com/Erasmatron4/Erasmatron4.html
> >
> > It's not too late to discover what true cross-platform
Exactly.
Judy
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> If he can build it faster in Rev and the end-user experience is at least
> as good (probably better since he could use all the time he saves coding
> beefing up the UI), it would seem he'd come out ahead overall.
Mark Wieder wrote:
"Erasmatron 4 is being rebuilt from the ground up in Java in order to
enable full cross-platform compatibility."
http://www.erasmatazz.com/Erasmatron4/Erasmatron4.html
It's not too late to discover what true cross-platform compatibility
is like... looking at the Deikto dictio
Richard-
Friday, November 4, 2005, 6:17:02 PM, you wrote:
> You know the great Chris Crawford?! He's a god. Loved Siboot -- nothing
> like it at the time.
Now that's a name I haven't heard in years. I did a quick search:
Siboot II is available here:
http://www.erasmatazz.com/free.html
Apparen
Another physics major?!!!
(Jeanne's a successful one, I'm a flunk-out).
@;-)
Judy
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Jim Hurley wrote:
> Richard and Judy,
>
> I suspect this is the same Chris Crawford that was a physics major at
> UC Davis many years back. I never had him as a student but he was
> legendary
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Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:17:02 -0800
From: Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev
To: How to use Revolution
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Judy Pe
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> You know the great Chris Crawford?! He's a god. Loved Siboot -- nothing
> like it at the time.
Well, it's not like we do lunch or anything... he'd probably be
hard-pressed to remember my name.
I sought him out when I found that his great book was out
I dunno... maybe I'm at the wrong educational institution, because I can
tell you that where I am, admin-types would vastly prefer to pay
bucketloads of dollars for something that "everybody" uses and "everybody"
has heard of as opposed to a validly competitive free product.
To wit: from the Cali
Judy Perry wrote:
And, when I recently mentioned it to Chris Crawford of 'The Art of
Computer Game Design,' he said that he only wished that he'd heard of Rev
before wading neck-deep into Java.
You know the great Chris Crawford?! He's a god. Loved Siboot -- nothing
like it at the time.
He s
Ayyy, now there's the rub!
Well, hmmm...
For teaching programming to the K-12 crowd, I'd emphasize that you can
teach many basic programming concepts without the overhead of stuff that
really should be taught later (such as declaring data types, etc.) along
the proven path of the Analytical Engi
Have you mentioned it to Charles Flickinger?
Judy
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>"Rumors of HyperCard being discontinued at bullsh*t."
> - Steve Jobs, at the CAUSE conference
> in Long Beach, CA, 1998
>
> I keep waiting to see the "When will Apple come clean?" page
And, when I recently mentioned it to Chris Crawford of 'The Art of
Computer Game Design,' he said that he only wished that he'd heard of Rev
before wading neck-deep into Java.
Judy
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Dan Shafer wrote:
> I've been known to call it Java without the Java.
>
> Dan
John Tregea wrote:
HyperCard!!! Just a Rolodex!!!
I small sampling of projects I did with HyperCard in the 1990's were:
Front end to the Singapore Ministry of Defence payroll system (250,000
transactions per month) integrating Oracle and MD Mars imaging system
Overdraft management system for B
y OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev
Dom wrote:
> Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>Welcome to the list. I find that if someone already knows what
>>HyperCard is then there's no problem. If they don't (most of the
>>managers I talk with whe
Tough one, Marty, because there are so many free languages out there
that educational administrators' first knee-jerk reaction (as Andre
says in his reply) is to look to cost. But if you can get them past
that point then I imagine Judy Perry will have some compelling
educational arguments t
On Nov 4, 2005, at 5:11 PM, Marty Billingsley wrote:
And what do you say to non-programmers, particularly school
administrators
who want to know why we should use this product to teach programming?
- marty
Marty,
for school admins try telling this points:
1) Cheap. Compare the prices o
J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For those who are wondering about this, Dom is refering to comments that
> Phil Schiller made when I met with him about the decline of HyperCard
> some years ago. He told me that HyperCard was really "just a Rolodex"
> with little programming value, ther
Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez:
>
> So, maybe:
>
> For experienced programmers: Cross-platform software made easy
>
> For hobbyists/Inventive Users: Tinker Toys to make your computer do
> the things YOU need
>
> And for those with HyperCard awareness: HyperCard on steroids, cross-
> platform, b
Dom wrote:
Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Welcome to the list. I find that if someone already knows what
HyperCard is then there's no problem. If they don't (most of the
managers I talk with when trying to pitch a project) then they just
don't get it.
Anybody knows that HyperCard is
On Nov 4, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Erin D. Smale wrote:
Avoiding DLL-Hell is a great point to include when I go
evangelising. Imagine how much time one saves not writing or
supporting them...Imagine how many headaches users will avoid... :-D
-Erin
I was telling a friend coder this, and then he
Richard Gaskin wrote:
It's somewhere between funny and sad, but I find one thing that
impresses folks who have experience programming on Windows is that the
Rev engine is self-contained, and unlike VB or ToolBook doesn't
require an army of DLLs strewn all over the hard drive.
Avoiding DLL-H
> >So, maybe:
> >
> >For experienced programmers: Cross-platform software made easy
>
> The problem is that every other cross platform solution
> boasts the same slogan!
don't say that too fast... :)
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Erin D. Smale wrote:
My description of Rev is an RAD tool that lets you construct a GUI as
easy as with VB, make it functional with normal language code, and work
with all the files, databases, and I/O devices you'd expect it to. Oh,
it lets you compile for Windows, MAC, and 'NIX, as well.
It
So, maybe:
For experienced programmers: Cross-platform software made easy
The problem is that every other cross platform solution boasts the same slogan!
All the Best
Dave
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The main difference is that if the whole hospital does blow up, it's
easy enough to start again (if a pain), e.g. restart the
machine/IDE/whatever. But in runrev when you tamper with a stack, you
can put it into a state whereby it won't open again! This really that
is really strange and frighte
So, maybe:
For experienced programmers: Cross-platform software made easy
For hobbyists/Inventive Users: Tinker Toys to make your computer do
the things YOU need
And for those with HyperCard awareness: HyperCard on steroids, cross-
platform, blazingly fast, in full color
~
Dom wrote:
Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Welcome to the list. I find that if someone already knows what
HyperCard is then there's no problem. If they don't (most of the
managers I talk with when trying to pitch a project) then they just
don't get it.
Anybody knows that HyperCard is
Dom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anybody knows that HyperCard is just a Rolodex®!
understand: *everybody* ;-)
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Maybe correct, also
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Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Welcome to the list. I find that if someone already knows what
> HyperCard is then there's no problem. If they don't (most of the
> managers I talk with when trying to pitch a project) then they just
> don't get it.
Anybody knows that HyperCard is just a R
Mark Wieder wrote:
Erin-
Friday, November 4, 2005, 6:16:55 AM, you wrote:
(2) My next concern was power and ability; a look at the command and
and maybe 2.5: I find myself some four to five times as productive
writing xtalk as c++ or java. Part of that's getting out of the
code-comp
Jim-
Thursday, November 3, 2005, 5:08:13 PM, you wrote:
> am done. Cross platform made dead easy... (with emphasis on... well... all
> of the words.)
...except maybe for "dead"...
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Friday, November 4, 2005, 4:33:55 AM, you wrote:
> I just called it Hyper-HyperCard
> Greetings, just joined the list today by the way.
Welcome to the list. I find that if someone already knows what
HyperCard is then there's no problem. If they don't (most of the
managers I talk with when
Erin-
Friday, November 4, 2005, 6:16:55 AM, you wrote:
Thanks for the writeup. Nice description.
> (1) When I read on the Rev website that it was unlike Java, C++, or VB,
> my interest in Revolution increased about tenfold--from an ease of use
Interesting. This is the first report I can remembe
> Working in the RunRev IDE developing Applications, is like doing open
> brain sugery with the patient still awake and helping you! If you hit
> the wrong part of the "brain" this will cause an involuntary reaction
> whereby an arm or leg will suddenly fly out and whack you!!!
>
> Just my .5 c
I explained it thusly to a fellow C/C++ programmer:
Working in the RunRev IDE developing Applications, is like doing open
brain sugery with the patient still awake and helping you! If you hit
the wrong part of the "brain" this will cause an involuntary reaction
whereby an arm or leg will sudde
Tregea
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:34 PM
> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: RE: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev
>
> I just called it Hyper-HyperCard
>
> Greetings, just joined the list today by the way.
>
> Regards
>
&g
TJ Frame wrote:
That generally gets people up to speed with the understanding that Rev is
not a flavor of Java, C++, Visual Basic etc. which a lot of people seem to
imediately assume.
As someone new to Rev, I can say that:
(1) When I read on the Rev website that it was unlike Java, C++, or VB
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I just called it Hyper-HyperCard
Greetings, just joined the list today by the way.
Regards
: Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev
I've been known to call it Java without the Java.
Dan
On Nov 3, 2005, at 5:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> Mark Wieder wrote:
>>> ...so - any attempt at trying to describe this for folks who hav
I've been known to call it Java without the Java.
Dan
On Nov 3, 2005, at 5:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Mark Wieder wrote:
...so - any attempt at trying to describe this for folks who haven't
dived in yet?
My own twist on an old HyperCard description: "Tinkertoys for
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Mark Wieder wrote:
...so - any attempt at trying to describe this for folks who haven't
dived in yet?
My own twist on an old HyperCard description: "Tinkertoys for software."
Oh, and I forgot, they also used to call it a "software erector set."
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I use the following in part of my 30 second spiel:
With Revolution, I can quickly design a tool, like a timer with a graphic
interface and a drop down menu, then in one step, compile it to an exe for
Windows, an app for Mac OSX, an app for Linux/ Unix. I don't know Unix, and
very little Windows,
Mark Wieder wrote:
...so - any attempt at trying to describe this for folks who haven't
dived in yet?
My own twist on an old HyperCard description: "Tinkertoys for software."
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactive
I gave up on that years ago.
Dan
On Nov 3, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
...so - any attempt at trying to describe this for folks who haven't
dived in yet?
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As much as I think these comparisons are misleading and limiting, "Hypercard
on Steroids" or "Professional Hypercard" are actually pithys way of getting
the essentials across to people.
Most programmerish types are aware of Hypercard and the general environment
and methodology associated with it (
Dan-
Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 2:33:12 PM, you wrote:
> "A good experience is rich, something worth exploring, telling others
> about, and experiencing again. It's overdetermined - or holistic - or
> *integrated*. And being integrated makes it (often) hard to explain,
> since one can't truly r
I love it!!!
Judy
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Dan Shafer wrote:
> When HyperCard was my development tool of choice, I often bemoaned
> the fact that Apple itself seemed unable to articulate what HyperCard
> really was. "It's a digestive aid AND a floor wax!" In my baser
> moments, I wondered if the prob
On 11/2/05 4:33 PM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When HyperCard was my development tool of choice, I often bemoaned
> the fact that Apple itself seemed unable to articulate what HyperCard
> really was. "It's a digestive aid AND a floor wax!" In my baser
> moments, I wondered if the pr
When HyperCard was my development tool of choice, I often bemoaned
the fact that Apple itself seemed unable to articulate what HyperCard
really was. "It's a digestive aid AND a floor wax!" In my baser
moments, I wondered if the problem wasn't that Apple was just too
dumb to get it.
I've h
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