RE: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:58 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software No doubt the *number* of VB refugees hanging out in RB-Land is an important

RE: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

How many RunRev users are there? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Trendler Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:50 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software Mark Talluto wrote: > The

Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

On Mar 23, 2005, at 2:48 AM, MisterX wrote: I wrote my own translator which handles C, java, JS, basic, flash, fortran to Transcript. Called the Transcriptolator. man and I am struggling hard as hell to bring some LISP/Scheme things like continuations and list primitives to RunRev... :-D andre --

Re: Rev and Externals (Was Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software)

On Mar 22, 2005, at 10:34 PM, Dar Scott wrote: As long as we have the external interface we have now, I'd rather 'start using' a library that uses an external. The library can do things that don't need to be done in an external and can act as the sugar-coating glue to the external. Dar I usual

RE: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

> But a colleague who is a VB guru and HyperCard-knowledgeable > and I spent about a month last year looking at what it would > take to write a translator or even good conversion > documentation to enable VBers to switch to Rev. It is, as we > say in the software biz, a non-trivial task. The p

Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Back in the 80's and 90's, when I was a strong advocate of OOP in general and Smalltalk in particular, I continually ran into the obstacle I came to think of as the IASFBSIDHTTT syndrome: I Am So Far Behind Schedule I Don't Have Time To Think. Whether dealing with in-house or out-house (never d

Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Back in the 80's and 90's, when I was a strong advocate of OOP in general and Smalltalk in particular, I continually ran into the obstacle I came to think of as the IASFBSIDHTTT syndrome: I Am So Far Behind Schedule I Don't Have Time To Think. Whether dealing with in-house or out-house (never d

Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

I have my own theories about the best audiences for RR to pursue, and I won't burden the list with them because I don't get to vote anyway, but those abandoning VB isn't on my list. dan Those abadoning VB want to go to something that allows them to get their apps up and running with very little

Re: Rev and Externals (Was Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software)

That sounds rational. Dan On Mar 22, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Mar 22, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: I'd like to second this notion start using external "fabulousexternal.dll" As long as we have the external interface we have now, I'd rather 'start using' a library that uses an

Re: Rev and Externals (Was Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software)

On Mar 22, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: I'd like to second this notion start using external "fabulousexternal.dll" As long as we have the external interface we have now, I'd rather 'start using' a library that uses an external. The library can do things that don't need to be done in an

Rev and Externals (Was Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software)

I'd like to second this notion and add that doing so is something I would not have expected to do even a few months ago. But I recently had a need to write an app for a client that called external libraries for encryption and a couple of other tasks. Ultimately, we decided we could not do the p

Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

No doubt the *number* of VB refugees hanging out in RB-Land is an important number and would be even moreso to Rev which has, I suspect, *substantially* fewer users than RB. But a colleague who is a VB guru and HyperCard-knowledgeable and I spent about a month last year looking at what it would

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Hi Mark, > This was not meant to be a Rev vs this or that topic. I was really > trying to talk more about the marketing aspect of one app vs a > competing app. On this list, many are aware of both Rev and RB and > could make the fragile connection. Well thats what it turned into, someone laughin

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Mark- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 4:20:53 PM, you wrote: MT> This was not meant to be a Rev vs this or that topic. Agreed. I normally stay out of those. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Keith- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 3:12:47 PM, you wrote: KH> I am really interested in exploring the idea of having RunRev stacks talking KH> to RealBasic compiled apps, via tcpip. Shouldn't be a problem. I've got runrev stacks talking with MSAccess apps over sockets. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PRO

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

On Mar 22, 2005, at 2:52 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Keith- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 1:58:21 PM, you wrote: KH> I find it interesting that the title is 'Analyzing competitors'. I didn't change the original subject when I first replied, but I'm with you in thinking of them not so much as competitors but

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

On 3/22/05 4:06 PM, "Keith Hutchison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Rev: >> - >> put the effective textFont of the selection into tFont >> if tFont <> the label of me then >> select line (lineOffset(cr& tFont &cr,cr&btn "FontMenu"&cr)) of >> btn "FontMenu" >> end if >> >> or, if you lik

Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

t: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software On Mar 22, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: 12% of 50,000 is 6,000. 13% of 50,000 is 6,500. So, about 6,000 to 6,500 users of RB are VB transferees; good for them. One less Microsoft program

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Hi Mark > KH> eg. I have a listbox subclass that automatically finds data based on it's > KH> name. > > True subclassing is one of the things I would most like to have in > runrev. Someday. I am sure it will. Keith Hutchison Balance-Infosystems.Com postgresql - mysql - dbf Foxpro - Delphi - MS

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Hi Mark, > KH> I find it interesting that the title is 'Analyzing competitors'. > > I didn't change the original subject when I first replied, but I'm > with you in thinking of them not so much as competitors but just as > different tools to get to the same endpoint. I don't think of runrev > as t

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> > replace "bug" with "feature" in myString ? > in REALBasic I extended the string class so that I can someString.replaceAll("bug","feature") without extending it would be someString = replaceAll( someString, "bug", "feature" ) Keith Hutchison Balance-Infosystems.Com postgresql - mysql - db

Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

On Mar 22, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: 12% of 50,000 is 6,000. 13% of 50,000 is 6,500. So, about 6,000 to 6,500 users of RB are VB transferees; good for them. One less Microsoft program for them to deal with. Does anyone find this information useful? From a marketing perspective

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Re: rev and RB I like both languages, but I would wager that any rev user that ever attempted to write a math/science based applications in rev, quickly noticed certain significant shortfalls in it. The lack of a real array type or the lack of any decent support for drawing your own graphics, to n

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Troy- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 1:32:43 PM, you wrote: TR> EditField1.Text = TR> ReplaceLineEndings(EditField1.Text,EndOfLine.Macintosh) Well, I had to do this in MS VB, not in RB, so I couldn't go that route, but it's nice to know that RB has this built in. Is there a similar syntax for somethin

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Keith- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 1:58:21 PM, you wrote: KH> I find it interesting that the title is 'Analyzing competitors'. I didn't change the original subject when I first replied, but I'm with you in thinking of them not so much as competitors but just as different tools to get to the same en

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Keith- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 2:20:35 PM, you wrote: KH> eg. I have a listbox subclass that automatically finds data based on it's KH> name. True subclassing is one of the things I would most like to have in runrev. Someday. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] __

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

> RealBasic - one line > > fontMenuButton.font = Me.SelTextFont > further, you can create custom bindings in REALbasic where you have one subclass talking to another. So you can get the result you want by setting the subclasses and 'drawing' a line between the two objects.

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Hi Troy > > Given that both RunRev and RealBasic can use tcpip sockets I think of the > > products as complimentary. I prefer REALBasic do to it's ability to > > subclass. Others I work with prefer RunRev. Some even prefer Filemaker. > > > > Well, they are clearly more designed to be competitors t

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> > Given that both RunRev and RealBasic can use tcpip sockets I think of the > products as complimentary. I prefer REALBasic do to it's ability to > subclass. Others I work with prefer RunRev. Some even prefer Filemaker. > Well, they are clearly more designed to be competitors than partners, bu

Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 12% of 50,000 is 6,000. 13% of 50,000 is 6,500. So, about 6,000 to 6,500 users of RB are VB transferees; good for them. One less Microsoft program for them to deal with. Does anyone find this information useful? A much more interesting question: how

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

> Rev: > - > put the effective textFont of the selection into tFont > if tFont <> the label of me then > select line (lineOffset(cr& tFont &cr,cr&btn "FontMenu"&cr)) of > btn "FontMenu" > end if > > or, if you like a one-liner: > > select line (lineOffset(cr&(the effective textFont of the

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

> Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 10:21:33 AM, you wrote: > > DS> Mark, does RB support the creation of externals? I was under the > DS> impression it didn't. No. But there is a feature request for externals. > Er... I'm not sure... I don't think so. What I meant was that RB and > VB have a way of callin

Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Mark Talluto wrote: The VB porter appears to be generating new customers for RB. From this bit one can estimate that roughly 12-13% of their entire user base has come over from the VB camp. I am sure it has been written somewhere what their user size is. From their PR dept 15/2/05 - REALbas

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

> > i = instr(myString, chr$(13)+chr$(10)) > while (i >> 0) > myString = left$(myString, i-1) + chr$(10) + mid$(myString, i+2) > i = instr(myString, chr$(13)+chr$(10)) > wend > > Pretty close to what I came up with, although your implementation is > more compact an probably a bit faster - I may

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Frank- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 10:00:23 AM, you wrote: i = instr(myString, chr$(13)+chr$(10)) while (i >> 0) myString = left$(myString, i-1) + chr$(10) + mid$(myString, i+2) i = instr(myString, chr$(13)+chr$(10)) wend Pretty close to what I came up with, although your implementation is more c

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

On 3/22/05 2:20 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Shafer wrote: >> >> On Mar 22, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> >>> And, >>> of course, there's no comparison when it comes to starting a new >>> project from scratch. At least until you need to get out of the >>> sandb

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

On 3/22/05 12:21 PM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 22, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> And, >> of course, there's no comparison when it comes to starting a new >> project from scratch. At least until you need to get out of the >> sandbox and craft an external. >> > M

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Dan- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 10:21:33 AM, you wrote: DS> Mark, does RB support the creation of externals? I was under the DS> impression it didn't. Er... I'm not sure... I don't think so. What I meant was that RB and VB have a way of calling functions that are in external libraries (DLLs and su

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

On Mar 22, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Mark, does RB support the creation of externals? I was under the impression it didn't. A Revolution external would be referred to as a plugin in RB. There are lots of RB plugins available from what I can gather from Google. -- Trevor DeVore Blue

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Dan Shafer wrote: On Mar 22, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: And, of course, there's no comparison when it comes to starting a new project from scratch. At least until you need to get out of the sandbox and craft an external. Mark, does RB support the creation of externals? I was under the im

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

On Mar 22, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: And, of course, there's no comparison when it comes to starting a new project from scratch. At least until you need to get out of the sandbox and craft an external. Mark, does RB support the creation of externals? I was under the impression it didn't

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Been a while since I worked in Basic, but iirc, something like this: i = instr(myString, chr$(13)+chr$(10)) while (i > 0) myString = left$(myString, i-1) + chr$(10) + mid$(myString, i+2) i = instr(myString, chr$(13)+chr$(10)) wend It's hardly effici

Re: OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

Mark- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 7:05:45 AM, you wrote: MT> There is a small bit at MacCentral: MT> with the MT> following paragraph: "REAL Software noted in the REALbasic 5.5.5 MT> release that of the 25 percent or so of its user ba

OT: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software

There is a small bit at MacCentral: with the following paragraph: "REAL Software noted in the REALbasic 5.5.5 release that of the 25 percent or so of its user base who are porting applications, 47 percent are porting Visual Basic