Beta-Testing and Bugzilla

2007-04-11 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Found a bug [tried to save a script in an image], went to Bugzilla, lost my password, requested new one and got a token and instructios to click on it - nothing doing? help me please! sincerely, Richmond A Thorn in the flesh is

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2007-01-03 Thread rchilderic
Selon Bill Marriott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Looks like the password is finally gone. The new Quality Control Center is > live now at both the old address and the new one: > > http://quality.runrev.com > > > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolu

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-24 Thread Mark Wieder
t; the impression that the installed base is much smaller than it is). And since there's no link to bugzilla on the rev web site its existence is somewhat of a secret. The only way someone new coming into the community would find out about it would be if a link were posted here or if someone d

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-24 Thread David Bovill
open source web front ends for wiki's, blogs and bugzilla are just fine and do not require any investment at all to install and maintain - they come bundled with a variety of hosting solutions. What does require a little investment is building in direct access within the IDE to DEVELOPMENT

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
In my desire to experiment with trying to be brief, I hit "Send" too soon: Bill Marriott wrote: And don't forget that you would not be supporting TWO interfaces (since you agree the Web one couldn't be avoided). In this case you would only support one. Ken Ray supports the other. In all the

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bill Marriott wrote: So the question is not the separation model, but rather the delivery/maintenance challenge. The added time/difficulty associated with those shouldn't be glossed over. You may be familiar with downloading Rev UIs over the web. But if one is invested in making an argument a

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Ken Ray
of such remarks RR decides on. The > present 'unconfirmed' apparently waiting for the original poster to > die or disappear is dispiriting. At the time I was helping out with Bugzilla a year or so ago (when the "pending" state was added), the "unconfirmed" status

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Ken Ray
On 12/23/06 11:19 AM, "Bill Marriott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And isn't it a > little weird to be talking about it as if Ken (and RunRev) weren't in the > room? I'm in the room, I'm just sitting over in a corner listening to the discussion while working on RevZilla revisions and ordering o

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Mark Wieder
Bill- Saturday, December 23, 2006, 9:19:05 AM, you wrote: > When Marcus gets back from his vacation, I plan to send him a new GIF for *Now* I'm worried. Marcus revised the way the web bug system worked, pushed the changes in, and then left town? > Center. But it's my hope that we've made the re

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Mark Wieder
Bill- Saturday, December 23, 2006, 8:22:33 AM, you wrote: > I'll ask them to look into that. There are some things which are easy to > modify and some things that are hard to modify. Is this a problem introduced > with the new system? I wasn't aware email addresses were obscured in the old > one

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Mark Wieder
Ken- Friday, December 22, 2006, 7:08:47 PM, you wrote: > Actually, that was in progress... I was working with Marcus on this, but > someone "jumped the gun" and made it available before I had a chance to > upgrade RevZilla. Now it's time for me to play catch-up... Thanks. Good to know. -- -Mar

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Bill Marriott
Yup, there's a backlog. You can view the definition of terms by clicking the "Status" and/or "Resolution" label next to the field. "Graham Samuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ignoring issues of syntax and general form, can we get back to some > semantics? What

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Mark Wieder
27;t been fixed from that previous change, (just try and find downloadable engines or bugzilla or anything about the educational market) and there are some broken links now (newsletter archives, for example). -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolut

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Bill Marriott
Mark, > Note that a little javascript and a little unicode goes a long way. One of the reason why the old BZ system stayed in the state it was for such a long time were a number of "hacks" like that... Customizations that would be lost or not compatible with later versions. Going forward, we're

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Graham Samuel
Ignoring issues of syntax and general form, can we get back to some semantics? What is the meaning of an 'unconfirmed' enhancement? I see some very old enhancement requests are still unconfirmed in the present list. IMHO enhancement requests should be given a target date for review by RunRe

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Mark Wieder
Stephen- Of course you can always go to the Quality Center and register a new special email address for the purpose of bug reporting. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Mark Wieder
Bill- > Would you please address the issue about exposed email addresses in > the bug system? This more important to me than the quality of the new > interface. If people get spammed for posting a bug, that is going to > cut into the effectiveness of the bug reporting system if they don't > want t

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Bill Marriott
Entered as: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4222 "Robert Brenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Stephen, >> >>> Would you please address the issue about exposed email addresses in the >>> bug system? >> >>I'll ask them to look into that. Th

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Bill Marriott
sn't it a little weird to be talking about it as if Ken (and RunRev) weren't in the room? I suggest that we take this part of the discussion backchannel. Sure there's a lot more that COULD be done with Bugzilla/Quality Control Center. But it's my hope that we've made

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Robert Brenstein
Stephen, Would you please address the issue about exposed email addresses in the bug system? I'll ask them to look into that. There are some things which are easy to modify and some things that are hard to modify. Is this a problem introduced with the new system? I wasn't aware email address

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Bill Marriott
Stephen, > Would you please address the issue about exposed email addresses in the > bug system? I'll ask them to look into that. There are some things which are easy to modify and some things that are hard to modify. Is this a problem introduced with the new system? I wasn't aware email addre

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Stephen Barncard
Bill, Would you please address the issue about exposed email addresses in the bug system? This more important to me than the quality of the new interface. If people get spammed for posting a bug, that is going to cut into the effectiveness of the bug reporting system if they don't want to be

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
change the server to allow a client like RevZilla. But as you saw, our change to the backend does require a change to the client. Imagine if we were stuck with the old Bugzilla because of an installed based of integrated Revzillas going back umpteen versions of Revolution. Any interface is an

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Bill Marriott
Then there is the issue of updating client software when the reporting system changes. No, there is requirement to change the server to allow a client like RevZilla. But as you saw, our change to the backend does require a change to the client. Imagine if we were stuck with the old Bugzill

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Bill Marriott
Geir, > Sorry Bill, don't take it personal. I just see a potential for all your > work to become a hassle for me and maybe others when we want to report > bugs or feature requests, and just wanted to let you know my opinion > sooner rather than later. If you feel that your decisions are correct

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Dec 22, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Geir A. Myrestrand wrote: I just see a potential for all your work to become a hassle for me and maybe others when we want to report bugs or feature requests, and just wanted to let you know my opinion sooner rather than later. If you feel that your decisions ar

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Geir A. Myrestrand
at is also more descriptive of the actual function of the site. There's no reason that just because the underlying technology is Bugzilla that it needs to be named as such. Sorry if I was a bit too direct, I usually don't sugarcoat my messages... :-) It was just my personal opinion. F

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Stephen Barncard
and also, since it's not a web site, it naturally obfuscates email addresses from the bots. But MOST IMPORTANTLY, RevZilla is: - an absolutely wonderful showpiece for how Revolution can be used to make "Web 3.0" applications, completely replacing a traditional browser client to provide the

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Geir A. Myrestrand
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Geir A. Myrestrand wrote: Actually, the word "bugzilla" has been purged from the system as much as possible. "Bugs" are now "Reports" in order to encompass both problems and feature requests. The whole thing has been renamed "Qu

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Bill Marriott
ve of the actual function of the site. There's no reason that just because the underlying technology is Bugzilla that it needs to be named as such. We're also not "taking away" any feature; you've never been able to get to the RunRev reporting site using the URL you sug

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Stephen Barncard
Yes, REV folks please fix this right away my special REV address gets enough spam as it is (probably 5-6 per day, without any known public sites showing. With the Bug site (sorry, QC site), it's likely to skyrocket. PLEASE fix this, the spambots are on the way. It might even be too late.

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Mark Wieder
Bill- Friday, December 22, 2006, 4:55:14 PM, you wrote: > http://quality.runrev.com I am particularly liking: "Quality Control Center would like to put a random quip here, but no one has entered any." Unfortunately, "No new entries may be submitted at this time". http://quality.runrev.com/qac

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Ken Ray
On 12/22/06 8:10 PM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And happier yet if someone had given Ken a heads-up so that a RevZilla > update could have been concurrent with the backend change. Actually, that was in progress... I was working with Marcus on this, but someone "jumped the gun" and

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Wieder wrote: ... And happier yet if someone had given Ken a heads-up so that a RevZilla update could have been concurrent with the backend change. RevZilla is: - more usable than the Web interface - directly integrated within the IDE workspace, making it much more convenient - more a

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Geir A. Myrestrand wrote: >> Actually, the word "bugzilla" has been purged from the system as much as >> possible. "Bugs" are now "Reports" in order to encompass both problems and >> feature requests. The whole thing has been renamed &q

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Geir A. Myrestrand
Bill Marriott wrote: "quality" is shorter! :D I think this is a mistake, but I will rest my case against your hostname for Bugzilla. I currently have access to 23 Bugzilla systems, yours is the only one I can not reach via the hostname Bugzilla... Actually, the word "bug

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Mark Wieder
Bill- Friday, December 22, 2006, 4:55:14 PM, you wrote: > http://quality.runrev.com Nice look. I'd be even happier if the email addresses were obfuscated instead of there in plain text. And happier yet if someone had given Ken a heads-up so that a RevZilla update could have been concurrent with

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Mark Schonewille
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Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Bill Marriott
Looks like the password is finally gone. The new Quality Control Center is live now at both the old address and the new one: http://quality.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi, Quality control centre, please make sure that the Bugzilla pages automatically redirect to the correct page of the new system. I am sure it is also possible to redirect addresses like http:// support.runrev.com/bugzilla/bugzilla.php/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 to something like http

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Stephen Barncard
so it isn't me!! sqb ... which you would be able to see if it weren't password-locked! -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to sub

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Bill Marriott
Yup. Looks like I either spoke too soon or children were being microwaved. The password screen you're getting is the general lockout; bugzilla credentials won't work with it. Looking into what can be done (but as it's 8pm Friday in the UK, don't hold your breath). "S

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Bill Marriott
"quality" is shorter! :D Actually, the word "bugzilla" has been purged from the system as much as possible. "Bugs" are now "Reports" in order to encompass both problems and feature requests. The whole thing has been renamed "Quality Control Cente

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Stephen Barncard
there seems to be a password problem with BZ, at least with the current system, using the password I've always used. sqb -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Geir A. Myrestrand
Bill Marriott wrote: I'll be putting together a more formal announcement but I wanted to get this out to you quickly. Go to http://quality.runrev.com Here you'll find the new "Revolution Quality Control Center" which is the replacement for Bugzilla. All your accounts/log

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Bill Marriott
I'll be putting together a more formal announcement but I wanted to get this out to you quickly. Go to http://quality.runrev.com Here you'll find the new "Revolution Quality Control Center" which is the replacement for Bugzilla. All your accounts/logins should work, and

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Ken Ray
On 12/22/06 11:21 AM, "Tereza Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suppose Runtime Revolution will make an announcement soon, but I > discovered that between yesterday and today, Rev's Bugzilla webpage > has been replaced with an announcement of improvements to

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Mark Wieder
Tereza- Friday, December 22, 2006, 9:21:09 AM, you wrote: > I suppose Runtime Revolution will make an announcement soon, but I > discovered that between yesterday and today, Rev's Bugzilla webpage > has been replaced with an announcement of improvements to come in the >

Re: Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Bill Marriott
Bugzilla? What's that? "Tereza Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >I suppose Runtime Revolution will make an announcement soon, but I >discovered that between yesterday and today, Rev's Bugzilla webpage has >been replaced w

Bugzilla down - Revzilla loses its mind

2006-12-22 Thread Tereza Snyder
I suppose Runtime Revolution will make an announcement soon, but I discovered that between yesterday and today, Rev's Bugzilla webpage has been replaced with an announcement of improvements to come in the new year. Ken's Revzilla can't find its info - so all its buttons are

Re: Bugzilla and Revzilla (was: Re: Quality)

2006-11-11 Thread Ken Ray
On 11/11/06 12:59 PM, "chris bohnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You might want to be careful about not creating extra support issues with > this. Port 80 is pretty much the universally accepted indicator of > "Internet Access". To expect users to have access to port 3306 or even be > aware th

Re: Bugzilla and Revzilla (was: Re: Quality)

2006-11-11 Thread chris bohnert
source of confusion. -- cb On 11/11/06, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/11/06 3:48 AM, "Bill Marriott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ken, > > Bugzilla is built on top of MySQL. In fact, there's an explicit attachments > table that you should be able

Re: Bugzilla and Revzilla (was: Re: Quality)

2006-11-11 Thread Ken Ray
On 11/11/06 3:48 AM, "Bill Marriott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ken, > > Bugzilla is built on top of MySQL. In fact, there's an explicit attachments > table that you should be able to write to fairly easily. > > But, poking around in Revzilla, it

Bugzilla and Revzilla (was: Re: Quality)

2006-11-11 Thread Bill Marriott
Hi Ken, Bugzilla is built on top of MySQL. In fact, there's an explicit attachments table that you should be able to write to fairly easily. But, poking around in Revzilla, it seems that you're interacting with the HTML pages. Wouldn't it theoretically be a lot faster and mo

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-03-01 Thread Jerry Muelver
Jim Ault wrote: It would be nice if there was a wiki that would categorize bugs (text-in-fields, icons, standalones, Win32 vs Mac) that would read more like a book or simple outline. You mean, like http://revdocwiki.wikispaces.com/ ? Jerry Muelver _

A Suggestion Regarding Bugzilla

2006-02-27 Thread Rob Cozens
Morning All, It occurs to me that, to be the kind of conscientious Revolutionist I descried in Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla, I must essentially revisit all items that have my votes, review all outstanding items in BZ, reallocate my existing votes, and allocate the majority of

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-25 Thread David Vaughan
ccess the bug reports? While most people seem to value the chance to point out problems and influence future versions, some people regard a public bug list as an admission of failure. Maybe it would be better to restrict bugzilla to members of the improve-rev list or make it by invitation only

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-25 Thread Dan Shafer
Since I started this conversation, I figured i ought to jump back in. In no way do I think Rev should do way with Bugzilla. Publicly disclosing bugs is useful. And it lends an air of credibility to one's products that is hard to attain any other way. Getting the community's input on

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-25 Thread Rob Cozens
Dan, et al: Voting says "This is my relative (among outstanding bugs) priority for fixing the bug." Consider voting as contributing to a proposed budget for RRLtd's R&D + Support: RRLtd gives you the opportunity to distribute $100 [ie 100 votes] among all the outstanding bug reports and e

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-25 Thread Sarah Reichelt
processor should be simple, but they still crash :-) I wonder is the Rev team doing itself a disservice by letting all Rev users access the bug reports? While most people seem to value the chance to point out problems and influence future versions, some people regard a public bug list as an admissi

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-24 Thread David Vaughan
ugs? Their problem is not that they are too customer-driven with BZ, it is contrarily that it is damned hard to get some decent customer input. Even Dan, who is as experienced as anyone, confesses that he does not get motivated to use Bugzilla. Criticality, or priority, does matter. I

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-24 Thread Thomas McGrath III
this list), but I do appreciate your thoughtful analogy. It falls short of our Bugzilla deal, though. Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lazy River Software™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html Meeting We

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-24 Thread Dan Shafer
Rob Fair enough. I hadn't considered that scenario. I stand corrected. On 2/23/06, Rob Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan, et al: > > > If I create a new bug entry in Bugzilla, it would not even occur to me > > to vote for it. By posting it and givi

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-24 Thread Dan Shafer
Garrett. I've spent the better part of my adult life in the software biz and I think your reaction here was really, really extreme. You said: "You don't release products if you know it still contains bugs! You don't upgrade your product unless the upgrade fixes all the prior bugs." I don't

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-24 Thread Gregory Lypny
Hello Tom, Actually, I couldn't make a balance sheet balance for the life of me (no offence to any accountants on this list), but I do appreciate your thoughtful analogy. It falls short of our Bugzilla deal, though. Accountants receive disparate (not desperate; that would be Norte

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-24 Thread Rob Cozens
untime for the product. RR bug reports are directly given to the company by posting a report in the Bugzilla database... preferably after checking to see if the problem has been previously reported. The information recorded [except votes] is the same information that would be asked of you i

RE: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-24 Thread Scott Kane
> Lingo went to c.dot.syntax.hell in a very short fashion... > Please don't let Transcript follow behind Lingo! I'm sure I wouldn't want to ask RR to make Rev use dot notation - but it's a nice way to work when you are used to it. ;-) Scott ___ us

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-24 Thread Judy Perry
Here, here! I agree wholeheartedly, Rob. I mean, y'all know that I have and will likely continue to do more than my own fair share of kvetching... But I also have to say that I have seen responsiveness on most if not all of the issues I kvetch about most: *Reasonable "hobbyist"/IU/educational p

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Judy Perry
Is there any place where the known XP bugs are available for 2.7? I'd forgotten that I was supposed to be thinking about things my students might encounter, not just those things I would (in OS X), but I had one of the brighter students today showing me wonky Rev stuff in XP. NOTE: I also know t

RE: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Scott Kane
Hi Garrett, > I guess I'm not specifically upset with the bug issue, but with > several issues. My views of how things should be are not > that of the > majority. I can be extreme in my views about products should > be free > of bugs and such. And usually "you get what you pay for" >

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Rob Cozens
among them. Until you and I individually commit to do so, the potential of Bugzilla is largely untapped and unknown. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole&

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Rob Cozens
Dan, et al: If I create a new bug entry in Bugzilla, it would not even occur to me to vote for it. By posting it and giving it a rating, I think I *am* voting on it. I find posting and voting have totally different purposes. Example: The last item I posted to BZ had to do with rectangle

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Garrett Hylltun
. I probably would have fired the alpha testing team and the beta testing team, as well as the person who's let the product go to market knowing there were unfixed bugs in it. Jim begins "I don't use Bug or Revzilla." and ends "Bugzilla is not useful for me." D

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Mark Smith
And it seems to me that all problems in the world, big and small, should be fixed, and a simple word to the Whitehouse people should be enough to get the ball rolling. :) Mark On 24 Feb 2006, at 00:38, Gregory Lypny wrote: Seems to me that all bugs, big and small, should to be fixed, and

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Thomas McGrath III
thought the analogy would be close your heart) Regards, Tom On Feb 23, 2006, at 7:38 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote: Well put, Dan. But I don't see the point of Bugzilla at all. Seems to me that all bugs, big and small, should to be fixed, and a simple word to the Revolution people ought to

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Gregory Lypny
Well put, Dan. But I don't see the point of Bugzilla at all. Seems to me that all bugs, big and small, should to be fixed, and a simple word to the Revolution people ought to be enough to get the ball rolling. Gregory Lypny Associate Professor of Finance

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Alex Tweedly
Garrett Hylltun wrote: On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: This provided me with an opportunity to say something I've been meaning to say for some time but never had a "trigger" for. Ditto! Yeah - I tried to respond to Sarah's email saying more or less the same thing, but jus

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Rob Cozens
Garrett, Dan, Jim, et al: I can understand setting priorities depending on the severity of the bug, but having the users rate and vote? I thought I was purchasing a product, not getting married to a second wife! Bugzilla seems like it relies far too much on the users and not enough on the

RE: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> While I am absolutely certain that RR doesn't rely solely or > even primarily on Bugzilla to set its bug-fixing agenda, I am > equally sure they do take it into account. And that's a shame > because the reality is that the number of people who use Rev > regula

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
Garrett Hylltun wrote: I'm sorry for being a bit over the edge, but I've been in this business myself, and this really makes me mad. You don't release products if you know it still contains bugs! You don't upgrade your product unless the upgrade fixes all the prior bugs. How many known bugs

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Thomas McGrath III
hat any bug report sent to them would be taken seriously and that it would be actively followed up by the company. I can understand setting priorities depending on the severity of the bug, but having the users rate and vote? I thought I was purchasing a product, not getting married to

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Garrett Hylltun
would be taken seriously and that it would be actively followed up by the company. I can understand setting priorities depending on the severity of the bug, but having the users rate and vote? I thought I was purchasing a product, not getting married to a second wife! Bugzilla seems like it

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Peter T. Evensen
I would also like to point out that 2.7 no longer contains a link to Bugzilla. The support option in Help (on Windows) goes to http://support.runrev.com/ which does not have a link to http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla/, so there isn't even a good way to get to bugzilla without using the

Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Jim Ault
On 2/23/06 11:07 AM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be all for making Bugzilla far more useful. I even have some ideas > for how to do that. But frankly that's up to RunRev, not the > community, and my guess is that they have enough To Do Lists th

On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla

2006-02-23 Thread Dan Shafer
In another thread, Sarah Reichelt made the following observations about Bugzilla in response to Xavier's complaints about stability of 2.7 on WinXP: > I have looked at your list of reported bugs in Bugzilla. I find 126 > unfixed bugs reported by you (though some seem to be duplicates

Re: Revolution is not Tablet PC compliant [bugzilla #]

2005-12-02 Thread Rob Cozens
Walton, et al: Please post your bugzilla ( http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/ ) number when you have it. Tablet PC compliance is bugzilla #3252, and has five votes from moi. I agree that Rev seems unique in not supporting the tablet very well, and that tablets and Rev should have a

Re: Bugzilla REALLY works !!

2005-08-11 Thread Hershel Fisch
t > the 5 million files i need to classify quick and dirty? > > Without web, your cool gui is in a box! Of course, the licensing > is gonna be different in Kevin's eye - one more license to profit. > > > out of 150+ outstanding bugzillas, Mark, above all nee

RE: Bugzilla REALLY works !!

2005-08-11 Thread MisterX
#x27;s clients had 3X more clients? (i know 3X is not relativistic but...) out of 150+ outstanding bugzillas, Mark, above all needs the biggest applause though! I see the right dedication to making rev great and his bugzilla feedback is quite speedy. Hip Hip... regards, Xavier http://monsieurx.com

Re: Bugzilla REALLY works !!

2005-08-11 Thread Peter T. Evensen
I was delighted to see some of my bugs had feedback, including one that was my misunderstanding of how revSetStackFileProfile works with the modal command. Way to go RunRev! At 11:59 AM 8/11/2005, you wrote: I just thought I'd let the sceptics know that Bugzilla (aka Rev engineering &

Bugzilla REALLY works !!

2005-08-11 Thread Bob Earp
I just thought I'd let the sceptics know that Bugzilla (aka Rev engineering & support) REALLY works!! Now saying that may indicate that I was a sceptic too, well maybe ;-) After posting [Bug 2931] "Wrong/Omitted Revolution version number" a very short time time ag

Re: bugzilla bug?

2005-07-27 Thread Charles Hartman
Wow, yes, RevZilla is very cool indeed. Thanks! Charles On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 7/26/05 7:09 PM, "Charles Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari? Whenever I try I get an error mes

Re: bugzilla bug?

2005-07-27 Thread Devin Asay
You can't search Bugzilla in Safari. Use Firefox instead. Devin On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari? Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page you opened redirected you to a

Re: bugzilla bug?

2005-07-26 Thread Ken Ray
On 7/26/05 7:09 PM, "Charles Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari? > Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page you > opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported b

Re: bugzilla bug?

2005-07-26 Thread Timothy Miller
Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari? Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page you opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported by Safari." It adds, "Safari can't open the page because it cannot redirect t

bugzilla bug?

2005-07-26 Thread Charles Hartman
Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari? Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page you opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported by Safari." It adds, "Safari can't open the page because it cannot redirect t

Add it to Bugzilla

2005-06-24 Thread Eric Chatonet
Hi all, List traffic increases each day. Many posts end in a "bugzilla it" (between 1 and 5 each day...) As if Bugzilla was the panacea :-) Overloading Bugzilla is not efficient for all of us and Runrev guys either. I have some experience with Rev and I found out many times that t

Bugzilla bugs ate my cookies!

2005-06-18 Thread MisterX
Every time, but every time i got to bugzilla, i have to: - relogin - reconfirm my password each time i: search or submit a new bug, or save a new bug, or change a bug, or anything... This is in FireFox on Windows 2000-3. I've reset all my cookies. I dont remember explorer being more better

Re: Bugzilla not updated for 2.6

2005-06-07 Thread Mark Waddingham
Hi Peter, You can now enter 2.6 as a version in bugzilla. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com Runtime Revolution ~ User-Centric Development Tools

Bugzilla not updated for 2.6

2005-06-07 Thread Peter T. Evensen
2.6 needs to be added to bugzilla. I was going to enter a bug, but I can't. If you close and remove a stack from memory, the Application Browser pops up if you don't have it open. Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-80

Re: Bugzilla?

2005-05-11 Thread Björnke von Gierke
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/ Bugzilla can also be accessed via Revzilla, a stack written in runrev by Ken Ray: http://sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla/ RevZilla202.zip On May 11 2005, at 20:06, John Ridge wrote: I'd be very grateful if someone could help

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