Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-13 Thread Jan Schenkel
--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I wonder what could be done by integrating with

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-13 Thread Jan Schenkel
--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I wonder what could be done by integrating with

Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, MisterX wrote: The economics is where it's at, not the eye candy... One can bag on Apple endlessly (I do), but for better or worse, they established an approach/appearance with their UI some time ago and ran with it. Part of this approach employs deep masks, and now that

RE: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread MisterX
Surprise: the economics are tied to the eye candy. Regards, Scott Rossi Good arguments Scott, but i disagree still the economics are based on the sales... marketshare... Industry standards... Sure the mac is prettier, like a bmw, but it's still not the bmw they lease for the common

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, MisterX wrote: Surprise: the economics are tied to the eye candy. Good arguments Scott, but i disagree still the economics are based on the sales... marketshare... Industry standards... I don't disagree and I'm not trying to twist the argument. My point was that the eye candy

RE: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Gordon Webster
Mr X has really hit the nail squarely on the head. I often open the rev IDE, wistfully hoping perhaps that somehow it could now magically do what I need it to do. Then I realize it can't and drift away to other development platforms with a sense of regret at what could have been. Now rev 2.6 is

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Jun 7, 2005, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Webster wrote: Transcript has the potential to be so much more than just a cool GUI designer. Well, I can't design a GUI to save my life and I still find lots of things to do with Transcript ;-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Dennis Brown
There are two classes of problems to solve. 1. Develop commercial applications for others to use to solve a problem without knowing how it is done. 2. Write your own tools to solve your own problems. Number 1 is hard and requires a lot of expertise. The user is delighted with a custom

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Dan Shafer
Gordon. While I sympathize with some of your feelings (while I continue to be my most productive self when using Rev and grinning from ear to ear watching my colleagues who use Python, Java, and Basic go through excruciating pains to do what I can do in seconds or minutes in my

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I wonder what could be done by integrating with Java -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Dan Shafer
You mean other than a three-orders-of-magnitude slowdown? ;-) Dan On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Brian Yennie
LOL... (and I try to avoid writing that when it's not true). In all seriousness, though- I'm curious if a selective implementation would be that bad. Java GUI crawls, and so does string manipulation, but not ALL java does. I dislike Java as much as the next guy (the next guy on this list,

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Alex Tweedly
Dan Shafer wrote: The problem, IMNSHO, isn't with Rev, it's with the fact that as far as I know there is no single method of creating and implementing externals that runs on all platforms. I may be wrong about that; DLLs may in fact be more cross-platform than they were last time I looked,

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Gordon Webster
Dear Dan Thanks for the reply. Alas, I am one of those colleagues you describe, since the major part of what I want to do simply doesn't work well with rev. Firstly, rev is far too slow for numerical computation. I did some tests and even byte-optimized Python beats rev for speed in most cases

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Andre Garzia
On Jun 7, 2005, at 8:51 PM, Gordon Webster wrote: And finally, inspired by Richard Gaskin's suggestion ... Compilation to Java bytecodes and integration of Java class libraries into rev ... Ooooh, you might have something there Richard ... java. is. evil. joking. I think that for your

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Dan Shafer
Yeah, I'll give you that. And there may be some value in looking at an implementation like Jython, which uses Python but allows calling Java classes where appropriate. As long as I never have to actually look at Java source. Yuk. On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: LOL...

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Richard Gaskin
Brian Yennie wrote: LOL... (and I try to avoid writing that when it's not true). In all seriousness, though- I'm curious if a selective implementation would be that bad. Java GUI crawls, and so does string manipulation, but not ALL java does. I dislike Java as much as the next guy (the next

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Dan Shafer
That sounds potentially promising. I wonder if there's anyone on the list who has these credentials and the time and interest to look into this. On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: SWIG should be able to do this; it provides wrapper C code to go around C or C++ libraries, and

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Dan Shafer
On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Gordon Webster wrote: Java is stable mature and truly cross (cross cross cross) platform if you use Swing components (Dan :-D) I wish my Java programmers believed that. They claim that although Java 1.5 and SWT have fixed a lot of problems, GUI design is still

Re: Economics Eye Candy

2005-06-07 Thread Monte Goulding
And finally, inspired by Richard Gaskin's suggestion ... Compilation to Java bytecodes and integration of Java class libraries into rev ... Ooooh, you might have something there Richard ... I have also suggested a number of times that RunRev take advantage of Java under certain conditions.