I dunno, but even my wintel students all complain about XP being
bloatware...
(Sorry for the late reply -- our server's apparently been down a while...)
Judy
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Marian Petrides wrote:
What is the problem using XP Home Edition for development?
I develop on Mac, then port,
FWIW, I also ran VPC w/XP on a dual G4... kinda painfully slow.
FWIW, if your user is using an older PC with specs that match Rev's
lower-limit official specs for deliverables, this is kinda like what VPC
is like on my dual G4, so, in a way, using VPC does you the favor of
knowing how dreadfully
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
But, I would be running VPC on OSX G4 dual-processor desktop model, (in
another room) to upgraded to a G5 soon... so I think the speed will be
acceptable.
I have three physical PCs (Win XP, ME, and 95) and one copy of Virtual
PC running on my
You might want to check out www.qemu.org.
On Aug 24, 2004, at 1:11 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
But, I would be running VPC on OSX G4 dual-processor desktop model,
(in
another room) to upgraded to a G5 soon... so I think the speed will be
Hi All,
FWIW [virtually nothing, since the product is now discontinued],
there is an alternative that was consistently rated 4 to 5 times
faster than VPC: SoftWindows.
Whereas VPC emulates the entire Intel instruction set, SoftWindows
translates some instructions directly to Mac OS calls.
On Aug 24, 2004, at 12:07 PM, Rob Cozens wrote:
Once again, the better product bites the dust...flattened by the
Microsoft juggernaut.
Better might depend on what the user has in mind for testing. Using a
real OS has advantages.
Wasn't it last year that Microsoft bought VPC? When did
When did SoftWindows bite the dust?
Hi Dar,
The product's still listed on Amazon.com; but is no longer on fwb's website.
--
Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.
from The Triple Foole by John Donne
Wow - that is so different from the web statistics on my server. I have
never seed that many Macs! I see 3% Mac OS and 90% Windows XP with linux and
other as the rest.
Do you have a lot of access from France? I understand that there are a lot
of Macs there as well as in Australia.
On 8/21/04
Le 21 août 04, à 12:38, Wouter a écrit :
Interesting..., even if M$ is so much often like the weather ;-)
But if you read links like this one, may be something will come up
after the release of the new Xbox.
http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,61065,00.html
M$ bought VPC and they killed Real
M$ bought VPC and they killed Real PC.
They are going to use the powerpc chipset in their new Xbox.
And they are going to use VPC as emulator.
Sounds like Steve Jobs and PowerComputing to me ;)
Besides, VPC compared to VMWare is like a toy car compared to
a real car. HP sells VPC as
Besides, VPC compared to VMWare is like a toy car compared to
a real car. HP sells VPC as a virtual server now if this puts
you in the picture. We use it a work to validate clusters and
run experimental system installs. But vmware doesn't work on
macs unfortunately.
If you primarily develop
Sivakatirswami wrote:
Thanks for everyone's input. As always, many ways to describe an
elephant..
Our Apple repair-lady was here today. She said Forget VPC, you will
not only waste time but destabilize your whole system if you plan to do
anything else on that machine.
But, I would be running VPC
On Aug 21, 2004, at 8:08 AM, MisterX wrote:
Besides, VPC compared to VMWare is like a toy car compared to
a real car.
Some time ago I evaluated VMWare and VPC on W2K (or maybe an early XP).
Though VMWare described some better features, they did not work well.
VMWare attempts to use the host OS
in the
far east or US for sure!
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Sivakatirswami wrote:
Thanks for everyone's input
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Besides, VPC compared to VMWare is like a toy car compared to
a real car. HP sells VPC as a virtual server now if this puts
you in the picture. We use it a work to validate clusters and
run experimental system installs
On 21/8/04 6:00 pm, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MS already removed the linux side of things in VPC. The xbox SDK will
surely run under it, so you seriously still should consider getting a PC.
No one should ever seriously consider buying a PC!
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On 21/8/04 6:00 pm, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MS already removed the linux side of things in VPC. The xbox SDK will
surely run under it, so you seriously still should consider getting a
PC.
No one should ever seriously consider buying a PC!
I'm coming to a point where it's imperative that we see how things look
on Windows machines. Up to now have just been winging it. But that
won't do in the long run.
Question: Is Virtual PC on the Mac a reliable representation of the
user experience on a real PC running Windows?
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I'm coming to a point where it's imperative that we see how things look
on Windows machines. Up to now have just been winging it. But that
won't do in the long run.
Question: Is Virtual PC on the Mac a reliable representation
Virtual PC is probably fine but a cheap windows box cost less than Virtual
PC (without monitor - you can use an existing monitor with a switch). The
other advantage is the windoz machine can run stuff off the network without
tying up your real working machine that you are coding on. But why
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Subject:OT: Virtual PC vs Real PC
I'm coming to a point where it's imperative that we see how things look
on Windows machines. Up to now have just been winging it. But that
won't do in the long run.
Question
On Aug 20, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
Does Virtual PC really do a good enough job? Or do I need to
requisition a cheap Dell running windows 2000. The lo-end Windows
user experience would be the target.
For checking it out, Virtual PC is good. It can be slow on Mac. The
No, I don't think you mentioned how absolutely, pathetically,
ridiculously slow VPC is. ;-
Besides a cheap low-end WinTel box (the one I use to test low end
configurations is a P2, 300 mHz laptop running Win98) is probably not
a whole lot more than what VPC would cost.
M
On Aug 20, 2004,
On Aug 20, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
Question: Is Virtual PC on the Mac a reliable representation of the
user experience on a real PC running Windows?
BTW, speaking of options. I was at the Microsoft site the other day
and saw a remote desktop client that ran on OS X.
No, I don't think you mentioned how absolutely,
pathetically, ridiculously slow VPC is. ;-
Yeah, I'd rather eat a cup of boogers collected from the attendees of the
EuroRevDevCon on Fear Factor!
-- Sorry 'bout the mental image people. --
~Roger
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On Aug 20, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
Does Virtual PC really do a good enough job? Or do I need to
requisition a cheap Dell running
On Aug 20, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
Question: Is Virtual PC on the Mac a reliable representation of the
user experience on a real PC running Windows?
From a look and feel perspective it is, yes. From a performance level,
no, of course not. If you have a very powerful
Le 20 août 04, à 21:16, Marian Petrides a écrit :
No, I don't think you mentioned how absolutely, pathetically,
ridiculously slow VPC is. ;-
In my remind, Virtual PC 2 was, in 1997 and under a G3 266, running
Win95 faster than VirtualPC 6 is running Win2000 Pro under my actual
PWB G4 1 Ghz
I finished my second very large media project in Rev in MacOSX and the
PC side was checked only in Virtual PC (Windows XP and Windows 2000).
So far I have not had any responses about issues or problems.
So far it works for me.
Tom
On Aug 20, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
I'm
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