Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

Hi Alex, > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:15:48 -0700 > From: Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide > If the intended object does not receive the message, how will you know? -- I'm no expert with understanding all of your dissertation, but I

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

On Feb 8, 2004, at 12:11 AM, Ken Norris wrote: We can plan exactly how and where we want to trap messages and provide callbacks that doublecheck for a proper response, i.e., one that falls within predetermined limits, can't we? Formalize it and be able to explain it to managers and other programme

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So Alex, the bottom line is Transcript gives the developer more options and more options = more opportunity for developer error? Alex, et al: Upon reflection, I will acknowledge that message path issues were one of the most difficult parts of my transition from PL/1, C, & Pascal to HyperTalk.

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Howdy, > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 07:07:27 -0700 > From: Rob Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide > So Alex, the bottom line is Transcript gives the developer more > options and more options = more opportunity for develop

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Your the man, Ken. :-) Tom On Feb 8, 2004, at 8:35 PM, Ken Norris wrote: Howdy, Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 07:07:27 -0700 From: Rob Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide So Alex, the bottom line is Transcript gives the developer more optio

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"Well *I* can write reliable code in transcript". Of course! If we all didn't believe that we would not be using Runrev as our favorite development tool right? I don't mean to be pedantic about this. I want anyone trying to write business apps with runrev to succeed. Before you can succeed you

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:09:01 -0700 > From: Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide > Again: formalize it and be able to explain it to managers and other > programmers. Make a case study for runrev to post on their

RE: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

Alex, You bring up many excellent points...but I really thing you miss some big ones. 1) Your inability to answer a question about messaging does not make RR unfit for work in the Enterprise. Not that I'm saying you aren't smart about these things, I know just the opposite is true, just looking a

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Alex Rice wrote: > The questions I intended to bring up were: > > 1) In a technical interview, or when trying to sell an xtalk solution > to corporate IT dept, you may run into someone who challenges the > xtalk/smalltalk messaging model. I described in a previous post that > interview where the

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

On Monday, February 9, 2004, at 10:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the argument against the xTalk messaging model? Richard, In most any other dev environment, the only "messages" your app gets are mouse and keyboard events, and possibly network events/messages -- otherwise you are in

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Frank Leahy wrote: > In most any other dev environment, the only "messages" your app gets > are mouse and keyboard events, and possibly network events/messages -- > otherwise you are in control of everything else, from what gets drawn > on the screen to what user interaction occurs. ...requiring

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On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:16 AM, Frank Leahy wrote: Richard wrote: What is the argument against the xTalk messaging model? I'll keep repeating it: the argument is you don't know at until runtime if the message goes where you think it will go. One way to state it is "throwing a message out for some ob

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On Feb 9, 2004, at 12:46 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: 1) Your inability to answer a question about messaging does not make RR unfit for work in the Enterprise. I didn't mean to imply that. I said: "I mean where $, property, or safety is actually at stake. ... It's a legitimate question, issue, and (

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2) There are many factors which go into tool selection. Unfortunately for RR, there are many which would seem to disqualify it before even starting. Good points Alex and original poster: Don't give me an "Andy Ihnatko generalities", list these "factors." -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software C

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Alex Rice wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:16 AM, Frank Leahy wrote: > > Richard wrote: >>> What is the argument against the xTalk messaging model? > > I'll keep repeating it: the argument is you don't know at until runtime > if the message goes where you think it will go. One way to state it is

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On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Alex and original poster: Don't give me an "Andy Ihnatko generalities", list these "factors." -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com

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On Feb 9, 2004, at 10:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: My question was: Can you think of a way to address those concerns while retaining the essential flavor of the language? How would you like it to work, and have you submitted an enhancement request for it? I have no solutions. It cannot be so

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Alex and original poster: Don't give me an "Andy Ihnatko generalities", list these "factors." Thanks, Alex... Now can you tell me which thread to search; there are a lot of messages at the URL -- Rob Cozens CCW, Sere

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On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:55 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Alex and original poster: Don't give me an "Andy Ihnatko generalities", list these "factors." Thanks, Alex... Now can you tell me which thread to search; there are a lot

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Where might I locate the SDB/libIPC (to edcuate myself)? K --- On Mon 02/09, Alex Rice < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Alex Rice [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:41:13 -0700 Subject: Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

I sense you feel threatened by this thread because SDB and libIPC are geared towards a more business like, maybe mission-critical applications? Sorry if it comes off looking that way, Alex. As IS manager for several corporate & governmental organizations, I did my home work and provided senior

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Where might I locate the SDB/libIPC (to edcuate myself)? Enjoy! -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "

Re: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: 1. If you have reliability concerns, check with the MetaCard community 2. If you cannot become comfortable with message passing, you will always be uncomfortable with any flavor of X-Talk. Sounds like good advice Thanks, -- Alex Rice | Mindlube

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I sense you feel threatened by this thread because SDB and libIPC are geared towards a more business like, maybe mission-critical applications? Thank you, Alex, for the excuse for a little PR. 1. SDB & libIPC are free and open source 2. My concern is that they do the job for my applications, as

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Alex, My first mission critical app was written in SuperCard! It was a Jumbotron display controller for the NBA called "JIVES" and it controlled the big screen TV's for NBA teams. As many advertisers use the Jumbotron, $$$ were at stake if it didn't work properly. In over 5 years of use, to m

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On Feb 9, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: My first mission critical app was written in SuperCard! It was a Jumbotron display controller for the NBA called "JIVES" and it controlled the big screen TV's for NBA teams. That's a great example. Case study material. Talking with my C programmer

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On Feb 9, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Talking with my C programmer partner Chris, he mentioned that the same messaging path problems are found in Delphi and VB as well with variants of C including C#. So, how does MS and Borland sell their products into mission critical enterprise envir

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RE: mission critical apps; was Re: cross platform ide

Alex, My first mission critical app was written in SuperCard! It was a Jumbotron display controller for the NBA called "JIVES" and it controlled the big screen TV's for NBA teams. As many advertisers use the Jumbotron, $$$ were at stake if it didn't work properly. In over 5 years of use, to my kno