Re: MonsieurX's TAOO Tiki is gone!

MisterX wrote: Sorry if this comes as more bad news... I had to take the TAOO Tiki web site down on MonsieurX. The volume of traffic was going to exceed - for "this month" alone and just for the tiki - by 2X the traffic capacity which i've never exceeded in the past years inclu

MonsieurX's TAOO Tiki is gone!

Sorry if this comes as more bad news... I had to take the TAOO Tiki web site down on MonsieurX. The volume of traffic was going to exceed - for "this month" alone and just for the tiki - by 2X the traffic capacity which i've never exceeded in the past years including all my mad

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

On 18 Oct 2005, at 19:44, Richard Gaskin wrote: Is the desire for such a tool prevalent enough to translate into a working tool? Well due to the lack of "stack granularity" in my work - it is a little hard to share right now - but the tools were actually built a couple of years ago. Right

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

david bovill wrote: The most obvious example for me is at the handler level. You make a strong argument for handler-level granularity for your workflow, but I believe that goes beyond what CVS was designed to handle. As I understand it CVS is document-based, and source files often include m

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

On 17 Oct 2005, at 08:36, Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 8:27:55 PM, you wrote: Can you tell us a bit more about projects you've worked on where multiple team members needed to work on different controls in the same window at the same time? First Scenario The most

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

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i dont know any thing about your problems then please don;t send me any e-mail please[ with reagards kiran kumar bye take care On 10/18/05, Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There were four scripts standing at a bar waiting for an object. The > object > tender sent one sliding down and the

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

There were four scripts standing at a bar waiting for an object. The object tender sent one sliding down and the first script grabbed it and began running in place. It had his name on it and he smiled and was happily employed. H. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 10/17/05 11:11 PM, "Dan Shafer" <[E

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

OK, just between us then we'll call it McGiverOOP. LOL Dan On Oct 17, 2005, at 9:16 PM, MisterX wrote: call it OOP by McGiver made with what he's got! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscri

RE: Approach to explaining TAOO [was ANN: New Website for TAOO]

] Subject: Approach to explaining TAOO [was ANN: New Website for TAOO] Xavier, If I truly have got "it" then I can suggest an approach to explaining "it" It seems to me that the problem is that you have spent 15 years building a "do everything I want" program. When you

RE: ANN: New Website for TAOO

call it OOP by McGiver made with what he's got! ;) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Dan Shafer > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:25 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: ANN: New Website for

RE: ANN: New Website for TAOO

ce I know a bit about lots of languages... cheers Xav > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Dave LeYanna > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:31 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

Approach to explaining TAOO [was ANN: New Website for TAOO]

everything you have wanted" for the last 15 years. This is next to an impossible task without writing a book! However, all is not lost. You just need to take us back 15 steps from a technical development point of view. TAOO is built on a conceptually simple idea that supports the

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Todd- Monday, October 17, 2005, 8:11:50 AM, you wrote: > Actually FileMaker 7 (and now FileMaker 8) encourages development in less > files then before. My bad. Typing without thinking again. You're right, of course. And the data/interface separation is definitely a Good Thing. -- -Mark Wieder

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

Maybe he should have said "Add what you need", not "change what you need" whis is what overloading is (I think...) Dave Mark Wieder wrote: xavier- Monday, October 17, 2005, 12:09:02 AM, you wrote: Subclassing is a bit different: You have a mehod called CreateClient that creates clients.

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

xavier- Monday, October 17, 2005, 12:09:02 AM, you wrote: > Subclassing is a bit different: > You have a mehod called CreateClient that creates clients. If you wanted > to use that to createClient > objects or Companies, you copy the method, rename it and change what you > need. I don't see how

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

do different things per object (which will overbloat the function) or you create a subtype creation branching for the different objects that createobject can make. Harder to explain given the number of choices... cheers Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/10/2005 08:44:39: I'm still st

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

xavier- Monday, October 17, 2005, 12:09:22 AM, you wrote: > I'd rather build the same level of ease of FMP into Rev than the opposite > (which is unlikely to happen)... Yes, but why reinvent things? Ideally I'd like to see them each do what they do best. > MS Access is more flexible in this way

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

On 10/16/05 11:45 PM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cool. And that makes sense, now that FileMaker 7 finally allows > separate files instead of the monolithic structure it's always had. > Now if we could just get FileMaker to adopt xTalk to give it a *real* > programming language...

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Mark I'd rather build the same level of ease of FMP into Rev than the opposite (which is unlikely to happen)... MS Access is more flexible in this way... alas... cheers -=- Xavier Bury Clearstream Services TNS NT LAN Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

per object (which will overbloat the function) or you create a subtype creation branching for the different objects that createobject can make. Harder to explain given the number of choices... cheers Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/10/2005 08:44:39: > I'm still struggling a bit to

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Chipp- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 8:07:16 PM, you wrote: > Also, interesting enough, the Filemaker community has picked up on > MagicCarpet and are now starting to use it for their version control as > well. Cool. And that makes sense, now that FileMaker 7 finally allows separate files instead of

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

I'm still struggling a bit to grok TAOO as well, Dennis. We've established that it's not extensible in the Smalltalk sense (i.e., by subclassing and overriding methods). It's more like a collection of Rev libraries that go one step beyond the usual libraries by pro

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 8:27:55 PM, you wrote: > Can you tell us a bit more about projects you've worked on where > multiple team members needed to work on different controls in the same > window at the same time? Sure, but that may be missing the point a bit. The "problem" is that s

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Richard, I agree, but like you, I tend to work alone, or with 1 other programmer. One of the things I really like about Rev, is the longer you program with it, the more it reveals itself as a fundamentally sound architecture. Case in point. The reason I developed MagicCarpet initially was for

RE: ANN: New Website for TAOO

TED]; How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO > > Xavier, > > After reading your new introduction on the wiki page. > Something clicks. If I understand what TAOO is supposed to > be, I can relate it to Forth. Forth is a low level but > extensible lan

RE: Hello science in TAOO [long]

ers Xavier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Richard Gaskin > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:05 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Hello science in TAOO [long] > > MisterX wrote: > >> There i

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Mark Wieder wrote: What I'm interested in, though, is opening up a path to a more granular approach to rev development. If you don't need to get more atomic than one stack-one developer then you're home free. But if you've got complex projects and need to have developers check out an object from

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Mark and Richard, Thanks for the kind words about MagicCarpet. I agree, it's not everything for everybody, but it is used by a lot of Rev'ers to help manage their code. Also, little known about MagicCarpet is it's ability to automate updating of applications via the MGC SplashScreen app. It'

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:55:59 AM, you wrote: > Magic Carpet's been around for a while, and many of us have written ...and it's about time someone posted the url... http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:55:59 AM, you wrote: > Magic Carpet's been around for a while, and many of us have written ...and it's about time someone posted the url... http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

elate to in order to conceptualize the environment provided by TAOO. If this concept is correct, then I would not have any trouble figuring out TAOO and might even be able to explain the concept to others in simple terms. However, if you did not "get" Forth, you might not be able

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

Dennis. Gawd, do I hope you're wrong about the parallel with FOrth! :-D Forth and LISP are the only two programming languages I ever attempted to learn and just gave up on. If TAOO is like Forth, I'm going to go back to programming in object assembler. It'll be less p

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

OK I registered, logged in, and edited the opening portion of "What Make TAOO Interesting?" Read it over and see if it is still accurate. I think you'll agree it reads better. The second item on that page starts "TAOO's goal is provide information at your fing

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:55:59 AM, you wrote: > Magic Carpet's been around for a while, and many of us have written ...and it's about time someone posted the url... http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Richard- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 12:40:59 PM, you wrote: > One man's flow is another man's impedence. ;) LOL > For myself, I think Magic Carpet got it right for the sorts of workflows > I find myself involved in: it's stack-based rather than script- or > object-based, and in the projects I

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

And, of course, it _was_ a joke _ ;-) _ Except for the fact that it was based on a real shampoo commercial. @;-) Judy On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >>Judy wrote: > >> Or, "sell it for what people think it will do for them" ala > >> "use this shampoo and you can have your own '

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

erything. Or as >>>good marketing people put it: >>>"Never list a feature without describing its benefits." >>>What is different about TAOO? And why should I care? >> >> Or, "sell it for what people think it will do for them" ala >> &qu

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

david bovill wrote: So why not go with the flow - horses for courses? Is there a way of combining "Magic Carpet" with the interest to develop an SVN / CVS integration into the Rev environment? One man's flow is another man's impedence. ;) If others like CVS then there's nothing stopping the

Re: Hello science in TAOO [long]

MisterX wrote: There is a ratio of bugs to understandable usefulness. Raise that quotient for TAOO and its adoption rate will change. very nicely said! implacable logic too If that level of effort doesn't seem worthwhile to you, you may have to be content shipping commercialy succes

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

On 16 Oct 2005, at 20:06, Mark Wieder wrote: Funny, I just started down the road of moving my rev version control over to subversion, too. But I'd happily give that up if you can get this running in the next month or so. So your offering to help :) On 16 Oct 2005, at 20:06, Richard Gaskin wro

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

david- Sunday, October 16, 2005, 6:47:08 AM, you wrote: > CVS does not handle binaries so well, so to keep track with the open CVS actually handles binaries *very* poorly, usually resulting in file corruption, in my experience. CVS was explicitly written to deal with text files, and the binary

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Todd Geist wrote: On 10/15/05 3:40 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can solve little things like moving around files and integrating them into the master build as you go. That stuff is easy. The hard part is retaining and utilizing human energy. I think this is exactly

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

On 10/15/05 3:40 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can solve little things like moving around files and integrating > them into the master build as you go. > > That stuff is easy. > > The hard part is retaining and utilizing human energy. I think this is exactly why some ty

RE: Hello science in TAOO [long]

I think we don’t need to wait for 20 percent of the gui to be finished to be able to enjoy the 80% that works! ;) Im about to make a road map into the libraries. It's long overdue. > There is a ratio of bugs to understandable usefulness. Raise that > quotient for TAOO and its adoption rate

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

Xavier, After reading your new introduction on the wiki page. Something clicks. If I understand what TAOO is supposed to be, I can relate it to Forth. Forth is a low level but extensible language and IDE from about 30 years ago. In Forth you write a definition for a named routine

RE: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

isn't that vaporware ? ;) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Judy Perry > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 2:39 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

RE: ANN: New Website for TAOO

ay, October 16, 2005 6:13 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO > > Xavier, > > I just tried again, and this time I can register and log in. Good. > > Dennis > > On Oct 16, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: > > > X

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

Xavier, I just tried again, and this time I can register and log in. Good. Dennis On Oct 16, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: Xavier, All I get is Login error, I tried for 15 min to get in, but had to give up... Dennis On Oct 16, 2005, at 4:02 AM, MisterX wrote: Monsieurx.com

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

Xavier, All I get is Login error, I tried for 15 min to get in, but had to give up... Dennis On Oct 16, 2005, at 4:02 AM, MisterX wrote: Monsieurx.com is being revamped silently into Wiki and without the wacky MisterX's adventure content. You can come and preview the website at http:/

Re: Hello science in TAOO [long]

d the point? There is a ratio of bugs to understandable usefulness. Raise that quotient for TAOO and its adoption rate will change. If that level of effort doesn't seem worthwhile to you, you may have to be content shipping commercialy successfuly software at a rate that leave the r

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Maybe a good place to start with an open source community project would be for to build a RevCVS. Am I crazy or what? Not unless I am :) I used for a year of so CVS built into the Metacard environment I wrote. All script suites were exported into CVS, and individual handlers documented re

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

Yep, I can see it, but can't navigate anywhere. I get "Login Error" everywhere. Firefox on WinXP Pierre Sahores wrote: Aloha Xavier, Link seems broken ;-/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subs

Re: ANN: New Website for TAOO

Aloha Xavier, Link seems broken ;-/ Best, Pierre Le 16 oct. 05 à 10:02, MisterX a écrit : Monsieurx.com is being revamped silently into Wiki and without the wacky MisterX's adventure content. You can come and preview the website at http://monsieurx.com/wiki I think you will like it, it

ANN: New Website for TAOO

Monsieurx.com is being revamped silently into Wiki and without the wacky MisterX's adventure content. You can come and preview the website at http://monsieurx.com/wiki I think you will like it, it's more to the point and I'll be working hard to make it easier to understand... your comments are

RE: Hello science in TAOO [long]

s in the MoireX program, TJFrame found one in 2 clicks after he started using the app! ouch! cheers Xavier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Richard Gaskin > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:10 AM > To: H

Re: Hello science in TAOO [long]

MisterX wrote: I get frustrated after about 10 minutes and throw whatever it is in the trash and think that I will wait until you have it fixed and then look at it. Only problem is that the story never seems to change. That's because "VERY VERY FEW" people will reply with the issues encount

RE: Hello science in TAOO [long]

Hi Dennis Thanks for looking into it and for your time in writing this down. As I appreciate your (and everyone's) comments, don't take my tone wrong. I'll just "reply" factually... > Xavier, > > I have kept quiet about my opinion of TAOO until now. But >

RE: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

Paul > Xavier, > 1. Give me an example of a stack more easily made in TAOO than in Rev. DiscreteBrowser, TAOO documentation, Science... Different applications, same GUIs > 2. Show me a specific example of "auto-organizing" The "category" or keyword or link based i

RE: on the topic of TAOO

I'll try to give a few short answers as this starts to really get detailed or repetivive one way or the other... ;) First, I want to thank all those who had written back. Andre wrote > maybe the "problem" with TAOO is that it's so tuned to your > workflow and the way

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

not the steak." > What it "is" counts for little, what it "does" is everything. Or as good > marketing people put it: > "Never list a feature without describing its benefits." > What is different about TAOO? And why should I care? ___

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

Xavier, 1. Give me an example of a stack more easily made in TAOO than in Rev. 2. Show me a specific example of "auto-organizing" 3. Show me an example of "auto-relating" I really don't know what you are talking about. Paul Looney -Original Message- From: Miste

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Alex Tweedly wrote: I think it's an interesting characteristic of Rev - there is a huge amount freely given "open source" Rev stacks. But, as far as I know, there have been few examples of successful, completed *collaborative* open source developments in Rev. The MetaCard IDE has been mainta

Re: Hello science in TAOO [long]

Xavier, I have kept quiet about my opinion of TAOO until now. But with all the stuff flying around, I figured I could weigh in without being the center of controversy. I am not a fast typist, so I hope you can appreciate my efforts at providing some constructive criticism. Every time

on the topic of TAOO and other solo projects.

Xavier, maybe the "problem" with TAOO is that it's so tuned to your workflow and the way you think, that we're not able to understand it due to the fact we're not you. Sometimes we build software to serve our own necessity and those softwares are the hardest to e

RE: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

- journaling might be more interesting a mechanism to research? Incremental or block updates are also planned for remote clients as well as macro-creation and more. Not a big barrier... The more clients TAOO gets, the more this is going to be a necessity or yet another set of features... Cheers

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

t;Sell the sizzle not the steak." What it "is" counts for little, what it "does" is everything. Or as good marketing people put it: "Never list a feature without describing its benefits." What is different about TAOO? And why should I care? Paul Looney Paul if

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

On 10/14/05 7:03 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the lack of a RCS / CVS / > subversion equivalent makes multi-developer efforts so much harder in > Rev than in other languages that it just hasn't happened. I don't know much about CVS, so I am going to ask the dumb question. Why

RE: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

> Or as good marketing people also say: > "Sell the sizzle not the steak." > What it "is" counts for little, what it "does" is everything. > Or as good marketing people put it: > "Never list a feature without describing its benefits."

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

On 15 Oct 2005, at 04:03, Alex Tweedly wrote: It may be (puts on 'optimist' hat) that Rev is so much more productive that an individual can do so much more or it may be (puts on 'pessimist' hat) that the lack of a RCS / CVS / subversion equivalent makes multi-developer efforts so much

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

Or as good marketing people also say: "Sell the sizzle not the steak." What it "is" counts for little, what it "does" is everything. Or as good marketing people put it: "Never list a feature without describing its benefits." What is different about

RE: Hello science in TAOO

let's start with the components: the menubar: this is managed by the GIM stack http://monsieurx.com/hyper/xos/Managers/GIM.rev Once active, the stack can be resized no problem (TAOO auto-loads GIM so you don’t have to do this activate business in general). Rev shares many features which TAO

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

ots to be done still but the goal remains: idea to GUI and information at your fingertips in the increasing more capable and least effort possible.. Now, that could be from: RealBasic Flash .NET others as well. Doesn't tell me anything. Here's something that would get me interested: &qu

Re: Hello science in TAOO

Leaving aside for the moment the fact that there's a lot in this demo that just doesn't work, the question I'd ask you to answer is: where, specifically, is TAOO in all of this? Show me the library (there isn't one as far as I can tell) or the code or the objects that

Simplifying the TAOO Explanation

to colorbuttongroup except that this one that deals with and reports the forecolor of the button. In Smalltalk or some other OO environment, I'd subclass colorbuttongroup and override the two methods that deal with the color. How would I do this in TAOO in a reusable way so that i

RE: Hello science in TAOO

of a wiki server somtime soon and make things easier... lots to do as you can imagine ;) cheers Xavier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:51 PM > To: Use Revolution List >

Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

Stephen Barncard wrote: TAOO! i just wished i knew how to get people intersted in collaborating in this open source manner and project because so far that seems nearly impossible in this rev market... ??? H... I have a folder full of 'open source' freely given cod

Re: Hello science in TAOO

On 10/14/05 1:27 PM, "MisterX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just can't do a simpler example than this which I prepared long ago, based > on yahoo encyclopedia data, so maybe this will show TAOO better on a > meta-flat level (only inter-relational lookups)... >

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO

Xavier, why don't you do like simple rules, for example create a small resume of TAOO, in plain english, like the kind of text undergrads could understand. Then create a blog kind of page where you document TAOO little by little, with pratical examples. Then maybe you could gather

RE: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO

another try Alex inspired... TAOO is to rev as PHPNuke is to php and sql. But that's just the language of it... and it's not like any of you haven't done it at least once! TAOO is (in plainwords), how to make this happen everytime! but it's not there yet without your

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO

t any potential collaborator. "I'm doing an open-source, freely licensed version of Unix - it will be library and API compatible so all your code, shell scripts and general usage will work on it." TAOO doesn't, as far as I know, have that. That's the first line on my

Hello science in TAOO

gals and guys, I just can't do a simpler example than this which I prepared long ago, based on yahoo encyclopedia data, so maybe this will show TAOO better on a meta-flat level (only inter-relational lookups)... http://monsieurx.com/hyper/xos/Groups/Science.rev 600KBs Please see the simil

RE: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

here rev really gives TAOO a kick is at the art of manipulating events and objects in its manager and master hierarchy respectively. Taoo is the middleware between the user and the data... Tan(x) richard... > To get a feel for how it works, are there > similarities/differences with Apple

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [LONG]

Dan Shafer wrote: There is a vague sense of excitement about what you offer here. Your passion is obvious. That you've developed this architecture across many languages over the years is impressive. But at the end of the day, a busy programmer cannot easily figure out what this beast is an

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

As a novice to both Rev. and certainly TAOO (but not SQL, data modeling or RADs) perhaps it may be useful for me to take the data modeler's equivalent of an advanced "Hello World" and work with you to produce a tutorial that shows the complete process of developing a "N

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

ple grow up with legos, I discovered Fisher Tecknics and didn't even try the other sets because FT's did it all before Legos did more than just houses... In HyperCard I built Duplos, then legos than FTs... TAOO is an art of manipulating objects... And it's not about navigation alon

RE: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

n just houses... In HyperCard I built Duplos, then legos than FTs... TAOO is an art of manipulating objects... And it's not about navigation alone. And this I don't make clearer for the reader as you point out! consider user + computer computer = applications + data user = need + inform

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [LONG]

Xavier. I know you're frustrated. I have been excited about TAOO in Rev ever since you first mentioned it, as you know. I have downloaded all the pieces you've sent me. I've looked at them. I've cut them open and probed their internals. I've read their code whe

RE: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO

> H... I have a folder full of 'open source' freely given > code for Rev -- libraries and examples. this doesn't count? If you share and port them in into the "natural" taoo format sure, hence also rev friendly, all is possible ;) That's how it works

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO

TAOO! i just wished i knew how to get people intersted in collaborating in this open source manner and project because so far that seems nearly impossible in this rev market... ??? H... I have a folder full of 'open source' freely given code for Rev -- libraries and examples

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO

or. > > "I'm doing an open-source, freely licensed version of Unix - it will be > library and API compatible so all your code, shell scripts and general > usage will work on it." > > TAOO doesn't, as far as I know, have that. That's the first line

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO

cripts and general usage will work on it." TAOO doesn't, as far as I know, have that. I've not managed to get a good "feel" for what TAOO does, or what it would be like to use, or how it would change the everyday tasks to be done in developing an app using TAOO. And

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO

The only difference i see between Ajax and TAOO is that Ajax is loaded from the web whereas TAOO is running on the disk. Not that TAOO can't be downloaded, updated online (which is not done yet)... So what reproachs there are ni Ajax, Rev makes up for it. I pull that off the link and info

RE: Basic Object Address Question - and wrapper answers sauce a la TAOO

mand in the revdocs ;)] Test it a bit... to avoid lengthy checking of what went wrong try first to get -- eg "get the time" do it If you breakpoint after the "get", you can easily see the command that is going to be fed to the compiler... eh, sorry, interpreter... Dyn

Drooling yet for TAOO?

Hi good people, This is just a taste of the GUI of TAOO... http://monsieurx.com/hyper/xos/screenshots/TAOOScreenShot.png Im almost done with the "visual" part of it... im in heaven, most of it works sorry, i couldn't resist sharing it! Now comes the "objects&quo

RE: TAOO/XOS for education

Marielle, There is nothing wrong with TAOO for education. As a matter of fact (usually i pronounce this as smatofactly) my licensing terms (as i wish they would be) is that TAOO be free for personal, non-commercial and non-for-profit educational institutions. If this world needs anything, it&#

TAOO/XOS for education

Hi Xavier, Thanks very much for the reply and comments (should appear soon on this list, hopefully). As expressed in a private reply to you and to others previously, I am interested in your framework in the context of the following projects, all under a same hood:

RE: TAOO

Hi Marielle, Interesting - i was quite amazed at the "directness" of that quote! You could term TAOO a design pattern by definition using that defenition. But... Given the object-associative nature, it's hard to coin as just a pattern since the associative and object approach a

RE: TAOO

[resend] Hi Marielle, Interesting - i was quite amazed at the "directness" of that quote! You could term TAOO a design pattern by definition using that defenition. But... Given the object-associative nature, it's hard to coin as just a pattern since the associative and obje

TAOO

Xavier, I finally got the time to read your paper on the TAOO... What's the difference with Design Patterns? "A pattern is a recurring solution to a standard problem. When related patterns are woven together they form a ``language'' that provides a process for the orderly re

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