OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Olivier Tremblay
Hello all! Just wondering if some of the readers here were using OFBiz in Canada, or even better, in Quebec! My company is considering the use of OFBiz, and as such I'm in charge of researching on the matter. We would like to hear from your experience! Thank you all. :) Olivier Tremblay

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Harmeet Bedi
- Original Message - From: "Olivier Tremblay" To: "OFBiz Newsletter" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: OFBiz in Canada? Hello all! Just wondering if some of the readers here were using OFBiz in Canada, or even better, in Q

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Olivier Tremblay
: "Olivier Tremblay" To: "OFBiz Newsletter" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: OFBiz in Canada? Hello all! Just wondering if some of the readers here were using OFBiz in Canada, or even better, in Quebec! My company is consid

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Christopher Snow
sletter" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: OFBiz in Canada? Hello all! Just wondering if some of the readers here were using OFBiz in Canada, or even better, in Quebec! My company is considering the use of OFBiz, and as such I'm in

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Olivier Tremblay
very broad and deep. Not sure if you are thinking o using only ecommerce side of it or more or less. Harmeet - Original Message - From: "Olivier Tremblay" To: "OFBiz Newsletter" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/ Canada Eastern S

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Christopher Snow
ot;OFBiz Newsletter" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: OFBiz in Canada? Hello all! Just wondering if some of the readers here were using OFBiz in Canada, or even better, in Quebec! My company is considering the use of OFBiz, and as such I&

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Olivier Tremblay
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/ Canada Eastern Subject: OFBiz in Canada? Hello all! Just wondering if some of the readers here were using OFBiz in Canada, or even better, in Quebec! My company is considering the use of OFBiz, and as such I'm in charge

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Ruth Hoffman
o using only ecommerce side of it or more or less. Harmeet - Original Message - From: "Olivier Tremblay" To: "OFBiz Newsletter" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: OFBiz in Canada? Hello all! Just wondering if some of t

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Christopher Snow
ad and deep. Not sure if you are thinking o using only ecommerce side of it or more or less. Harmeet - Original Message - From: "Olivier Tremblay" To: "OFBiz Newsletter" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: OFBiz in

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Ruth Hoffman
al Message - From: "Olivier Tremblay" To: "OFBiz Newsletter" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:03:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: OFBiz in Canada? Hello all! Just wondering if some of the readers here were using OFBiz in Canada, or even better, in Que

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-11 Thread Christopher Snow
t it has a learning curve. A lot depends on how you want to use it. Our usage of ofbiz is very broad and deep. Not sure if you are thinking o using only ecommerce side of it or more or less. Harmeet - Original Message - From: "Olivier Tremblay" To: "OFBiz Newsletter"

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Ofbiz community seems to be focused on making ofbiz generate as much consulting revenue as possible and not on making ofbiz a great shrink wrapped product. For example, end users having to use svn and patches so to keep their systems up

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Christopher Snow
Are you saying that there are now enough contributors to implement a good release plan? Many thanks, Chris Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Ofbiz community seems to be focused on making ofbiz generate as much consulting revenue as possible and n

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Ofbiz community seems to be focused on making ofbiz generate as much consulting revenue as possible and not on making ofbiz a great shrink wrapped product. For example, end users having to use svn and patches

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Yes we need more solid teams, this is improving... Jacques From: "Christopher Snow" Are you saying that there are now enough contributors to implement a good release plan? Many thanks, Chris Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Ofbiz community se

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Raj Saini
Not having a stable release is certainly a hindrance in OFBiz adapter. Even though we have release branch, there is no released binaries which runs without development time tool chain. I can commit my time to: 1. Write ant target/Maven goals to create a binary only release. 2. Write an nice lo

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Hans Bakker
;>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ofbiz is a fantastic enterprise application development > >>>>>>> framework if you want to create your own apps. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ofbiz needs a lot of customization to f

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Christopher Snow
So it's the chicken-and-egg situtation? There are not enough contributors to focus on making stable releases and documentation. But without stable releases and documentation, new contributors are not attracted to ofbiz. Jacques Le Roux wrote: Yes we need more solid teams, this is improvin

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Christopher Snow" So it's the chicken-and-egg situtation? No : it's improving and the curve is not exponential nor even quadratic but is more than flat. Actually this is very clear since we released 9.04 And maybe the new effort which may happend on SME will increase even more this c

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Hi Raj, This would be surely very appreciated! BTW what about OFBIZ-1560 ;o) Jacques From: "Raj Saini" Not having a stable release is certainly a hindrance in OFBiz adapter. Even though we have release branch, there is no released binaries which runs without development time tool chain. I

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 12, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: > So it's the chicken-and-egg situtation? Well, this is true in some ways: the OFBiz user/contributor base is growing every day but apparently the critical mass that will allow it to maintain and implement a good release plan is still not

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Christopher, Sorry this is maybe a bit a technical answer, but I believe it shows another mindset One of the causes, which is maybe hidden for philosophical and pragmatical reasons, is that we (should) always use RTC mode (Review-Then-Commit) For more on this apect you could be interested by

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Olivier Tremblay
Unrelated: +1 thread hijack :P Back to the discussed matter: As a programmer, I'd be interested to know more about how I can help. I'm not really used to open-source projects, but I'm going to have to implement this solution for my company. Which is why I want to find other Canadian (prefe

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread André Herbst
Hi Olivier, Try this link to give you an idéa: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Contributors+Best+Practices -André > Unrelated: +1 thread hijack :P > > Back to the discussed matter: > > As a programmer, I'd be interested to know more about how I can help. > I'm not really used to op

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Olivier Tremblay" Unrelated: +1 thread hijack :P Yes, but if you read it all you will find that some ideas there matter and are related to the subject Chris submitted This said, sorry for the thread hijack but it was Chris's actually ;o) Jacques Back to the discussed matter: As

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Christopher Snow
Yes, I take the credit for the hijack! Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: "Olivier Tremblay" Unrelated: +1 thread hijack :P Yes, but if you read it all you will find that some ideas there matter and are related to the subject Chris submitted This said, sorry for the thread hijack but it was Ch

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Carsten Schinzer
Well, regarding participation, we just had an excellent Talk about participating in open source - and guess what even more detailed: on ASF - projects here at W-JAX 2009 in Munich. It was especially of interest, since it drew a couple of examples what the motivation of people would be to participa

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Hi Carsten, Theses are very good questions but difficult to answer. For me it's more a felling than numbers. For the moment I only use this metric http://tinyurl.com/yb3h4hv. So you see it's more in survival mode. Also I presume that it would be difficult to organize things (and even more people

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Harmeet Bedi
I feel it is worth looking at the other way too. If ofbiz were to move towards reusing projects like hibernate and spring and generalize some of the cool concepts into reusable libraries packaged through something like Apache Commons or ofbiz subprojects it would drive adoption. By resuable i m

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread jonatan soto
It would be a good idea a full integration of Maven2 on Ofbiz? it is already considered/done? I think it may be helpful to control the release mechanism and also gives the ability to separate everything in modules as Harmet said. For example, Ofbiz core would be the main module and all the compomen

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Ofbiz is an excellent application development framework. I think that any efforts that would focus on selling this aspect would attract newcomers to the project. In the past, I have recommended ofbiz as a development framework to a few architects and senior developers that I have worked with.

RE: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Charles TJ - SELC Sales Div
her Snow [mailto:sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk] Sent: 13 Nopember 2009 15:18 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: OFBiz in Canada? Ofbiz is an excellent application development framework. I think that any efforts that would focus on selling this aspect would attract newcomers to the project.

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
pember 2009 15:18 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: OFBiz in Canada? Ofbiz is an excellent application development framework. I think that any efforts that would focus on selling this aspect would attract newcomers to the project. In the past, I have recommended ofbiz as a developmen

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
ast". >> The Beast for the newcomers, but if we understand the framework, >> you will find "The Beauty of the OFBiz". >> >> - Charles TJ >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Christopher Snow [mailto:sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk] >&g

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Abdullah Shaikh
The Beast for the newcomers, but if we understand the framework, >> you will find "The Beauty of the OFBiz". >> >> - Charles TJ >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Christopher Snow [mailto:sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk] >> Sen

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: If a company start using ofbiz for small applications using just the development framework, they can be very productive within a few weeks. However, if they have to take on board the whole of ofbiz (i.e. the comp

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Abdullah Shaikh
>>> >>>> I am agree with you Chris, the OFBiz is an excellent framework; >>>> OFBiz is like "The Beauty and The Beast". >>>> The Beast for the newcomers, but if we understand the framework, >>>> you will find "The Beauty of the OF

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
o:sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk] Sent: 13 Nopember 2009 15:18 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: OFBiz in Canada? Ofbiz is an excellent application development framework. I think that any efforts that would focus on selling this aspect would attract newcomers to the project. In the past, I ha

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
That's the approach I tried when I ran into dependency problems. This then worried me that if I did fix the dependency problem I found, what other dependency issues would I run into later down the line? A developer learning ofbiz doesn't need to think about component dependencies on top of le

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
ty and The Beast". >>>> The Beast for the newcomers, but if we understand the framework, >>>> you will find "The Beauty of the OFBiz". >>>> >>>> - Charles TJ >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message-

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: > I was thinking about your comment of leaving the components in place even > though they are not used. Does leaving unused components in place have a > performance impact on ofbiz? Do those components consume memory? - they are > certain

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread jonatan soto
gt; >>> > >>> > >>>> I am agree with you Chris, the OFBiz is an excellent framework; > >>>> OFBiz is like "The Beauty and The Beast". > >>>> The Beast for the newcomers, but if we understand the framework, > >&

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: I was thinking about your comment of leaving the components in place even though they are not used. Does leaving unused components in place have a performance impact on ofbiz? Do those components consume memor

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: > Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: >> >> >>> I was thinking about your comment of leaving the components in place even >>> though they are not used. Does leaving unused components in place

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Also, there's the security issues of having code running that isn't required. Anyway, I get the picture. A modular ofbiz is not an option! People in control like ofbiz just the way it is - it suits their business model. No, you didn't get the picture, at all. Please read the messages c

RE: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Zhibin Liang
t: Re: OFBiz in Canada? That's the approach I tried when I ran into dependency problems. This then worried me that if I did fix the dependency problem I found, what other dependency issues would I run into later down the line? A developer learning ofbiz doesn't need to think

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: > >>> Also, there's the security issues of having code running that isn't >>> required. >>> >>> Anyway, I get the picture. A modular ofbiz is not an option! People in >>> control like ofbiz just the way it is - it suits their business model

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Scott Gray
Chris, Very few things are ever not an option, but just because someone turns up on the mailing list out of nowhere and proposes something vague doesn't mean that it is suddenly a valid idea that everyone should take seriously. OFBiz like every other apache project is a meritocracy, the

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Scott, I agree that the community changes ofbiz by committing. And as a non-committer and just and end user, all I have is a voice. I just found the arguments against the proposal to be unfounded and not in the best interests of the ofbiz project. For example, the comment about disk space

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread BJ Freeman
I had the same complaint at one time. I now keep my own version under a different brand name. That is about all you can do. Christopher Snow sent the following on 11/13/2009 2:40 AM: > Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: >> >> >>> I was thinking abo

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
framework; >>>> OFBiz is like "The Beauty and The Beast". >>>> The Beast for the newcomers, but if we understand the framework, >>>> you will find "The Beauty of the OFBiz". >>>> >>>> - Charles TJ >>>> >>>

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
derstand the framework, you will find "The Beauty of the OFBiz". - Charles TJ -Original Message- From: Christopher Snow [mailto:sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk] Sent: 13 Nopember 2009 15:18 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: OFBiz in Canada? Ofbiz is an excellent application de

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Thanks BJ - that's the conclusion I'm starting to reach. Perhaps it would be worth some of us like minded people to getting together? BJ Freeman wrote: I had the same complaint at one time. I now keep my own version under a different brand name. That is about all you can do. Christopher Snow

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Thanks Jacques! Jacques Le Roux wrote: This may help http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies Jacques From: "Christopher Snow" When I tried to remove the unwanted components, I can into dependency problems. A modular approach to using the components

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > Scott, > > I agree that the community changes ofbiz by committing. And as a > non-committer and just and end user, all I have is a voice. > > I just found the arguments against the proposal to be unfounded and not in > the best interest

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Scott Gray
On 14/11/2009, at 12:32 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Scott, I agree that the community changes ofbiz by committing. And as a non-committer and just and end user, all I have is a voice. Time spent in the community and contributions made is what determines how loud a voice is. I just foun

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Raj Saini
; I am agree with you Chris, the OFBiz is an excellent framework; >>>> OFBiz is like "The Beauty and The Beast". >>>> The Beast for the newcomers, but if we understand the framework, >>>> you will find "The Beauty of the OFBiz". >>>>

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Christopher Snow" Scott, I agree that the community changes ofbiz by committing. And as a non-committer and just and end user, all I have is a voice. You can also create Jira and patches... Of course discussing about it before is always better... I just found the arguments agains

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
From the work I have done on creating an Eclipse application, I quite like the OSGi plugin concept. OSGi may help ofbiz in areas like dependency management and hot upgrades. Maven 2 would be suitable as the build tool. There is a lot to learn about OSGi first though... Please feel free to

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread jonatan soto
I would like to get involved on the development prototype for Maven integration. I've worked with it in a few projects and I love it so much. But to be realistic I need more time to improve my knwoledge of the entire framework and Maven too in order to do a good work. I don't want to start the hous

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Raj Saini
Hi Chris, I have created a prototype integration of OFBiz and OSGI at source (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz-osgi/). This runs OFBiz as a framework inside a OSGi Kernal. As of now it loads framework as well as application. I have tested the service engine and entity engine and both wor

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Hi Chris: IMHO: Having watched the project for a long time now, I think it is time for a fork in the road. There are too many competing interests here. This sort of reminds me of Unix before AT& T let BSD birth. No? And look what that spawned :-) Ruth Christopher Snow wrote: Thanks BJ - th

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Raj Saini
I personally feel a binary only distribution will be very helpful which does not need any of the build time tool chain such a Ant, Maven or SVN to pull the sources. It should be like any other standard distribution of Tomcat, Geronimo or any other application. Extending the existing ant script

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Hi Raj, this sounds great! Was there any interest from the ofbiz community? Raj Saini wrote: Hi Chris, I have created a prototype integration of OFBiz and OSGI at source (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz-osgi/). This runs OFBiz as a framework inside a OSGi Kernal. As of now it loads fra

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Hi Raj, I wonder why, if this uses OFBiz only, the doc is at http://opentaps.org/docs/index.php/Ofbiz-osgi-prototype and there is nothing in official Apache OFBiz documentation (wiki) ? Is there any reasons ? Thanks Jacques From: "Raj Saini" Hi Chris, I have created a prototype integrati

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Raj Saini
No, not so far. Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Raj, this sounds great! Was there any interest from the ofbiz community? Raj Saini wrote: Hi Chris, I have created a prototype integration of OFBiz and OSGI at source (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz-osgi/). This runs OFBiz as a framework i

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Hi Chris: > > IMHO: Having watched the project for a long time now, I think it is time for > a fork in the road. There are too many competing interests here. Uh... I am missing your point now: what are the competing interests that you are ment

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Raj Saini
Hi Jacques, Opentap guy has helped in creating the documentation as they are planing to use it for their product. I had created the prototype to develop OFBiz based application for our own products. Integration project itself is Apache 2.0 licensed and does not use any code form Opentaps. It d

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Hi Jacopo, This is my understanding of the conflict in interest: 1) Ofbiz as an ecommerce focused application with ERP that is developed on top of unstable trunk and kept updated via svn and patches. versus 2) Ofbiz as a stable shrink wrapped ERP application that has professional releases a

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Michael Xu (xudong)
hi Ruth, I do agree with you that it is time for a fork in the road. But before that, maybe it is better to split ofbiz into subprojects, like framework, BI, etc. Then we can choose where to fork. And also the future merge should be easier. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Offi

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Raj Saini
I do not think OFBiz fork would be a best think to do in the interest f community. However, idea of a next generation OFBiz (OFBiz-NG) keep coming to mind. That was the one of the reason I worked on OFBiz-OSGi integration. OFBiz with a micro kernel based on OFBiz and then other building blocks

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
That makes a lot of sense. Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Ruth, I do agree with you that it is time for a fork in the road. But before that, maybe it is better to split ofbiz into subprojects, like framework, BI, etc. Then we can choose where to fork. And also the future merge should be easier.

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Hi Raj, Sure a wiki page would be wecolme, and without any doubts, I will I will put a link from the FAQ! Thanks Jacques From: "Raj Saini" Hi Jacques, Opentap guy has helped in creating the documentation as they are planing to use it for their product. I had created the prototype to devel

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: > Hi Jacopo, > > This is my understanding of the conflict in interest: > > 1) Ofbiz as an ecommerce focused application with ERP that is developed on > top of unstable trunk and kept updated via svn and patches. > > versus > > 2) Ofbiz as

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Remember though that OFBiz has begun and stay as an ERP project... I prefer by far Raj's intentions Jacques From: "Michael Xu (xudong)" hi Ruth, I do agree with you that it is time for a fork in the road. But before that, maybe it is better to split ofbiz into subprojects, like framework, BI,

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Here is the release plan so far http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan Jacques From: "Christopher Snow" Hi Jacopo, This is my understanding of the conflict in interest: 1) Ofbiz as an ecommerce focused application with ERP that is developed on top of unstable trunk and kept upda

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
Michael, why do you think it is time for a fork? It seems to me a crazy conversation... Jacopo On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: > hi Ruth, > > I do agree with you that it is time for a fork in the road. But before that, > maybe it is better to split ofbiz into subproject

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Jacopo, This is my understanding of the conflict in interest: 1) Ofbiz as an ecommerce focused application with ERP that is developed on top of unstable trunk and kept updated via svn and patches. versus 2)

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread malin . nicolas
It smells the same syndrome that Neogia 5 years ago ;) Nicolas > Michael, > > why do you think it is time for a fork? It seems to me a crazy > conversation... > > Jacopo > > On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: > >> hi Ruth, >> >> I do agree with you that it is time for a fork

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Adrian Crum
Christopher Snow wrote: It would be interesting to know how many of the committers for ofbiz that DON'T use ofbiz primarily for ecommerce. I think that would be the main stumbling block to separating the core development framework. My employer does not use OFBiz for eCommerce. We use the Asse

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
This means having also a BD populated, right ? Else OFBiz is useless. I can't see any reasons why we did not make it previsously, but I have the intution there is at least one So far : http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan All good wills are welcome Jacques From: "Raj Saini" I

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Adrian Crum
Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Jacopo, This is my understanding of the conflict in interest: 1) Ofbiz as an ecommerce focused application with ERP that is developed on top of unstable trunk and kept updated via svn and patches. versus 2) Of

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Raj Saini
I think you mean DB right? Yes, indeed that is needed. May be some thing like ofbizsetup component can be run as a default application first time and have a option to load the demo data, seed or setup specific data. Thanks, Raj Jacques Le Roux wrote: This means having also a BD populated, ri

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
I have some clients who use the POS alone Jacques From: "Adrian Crum" Christopher Snow wrote: It would be interesting to know how many of the committers for ofbiz that DON'T use ofbiz primarily for ecommerce. I think that would be the main stumbling block to separating the core development

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
> Christopher Snow wrote: >> It would be interesting to know how many of the committers for ofbiz that >> DON'T use ofbiz primarily for ecommerce. I think that would be the main >> stumbling block to separating the core development framework. > Most of our clients makes use of several differe

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Sorry for the top post :/ From: "Jacques Le Roux" I have some clients who use the POS alone Jacques From: "Adrian Crum" Christopher Snow wrote: It would be interesting to know how many of the committers for ofbiz that DON'T use ofbiz primarily for ecommerce. I think that would be the mai

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Carsten Schinzer
Hi all, in case you waited for my 0.02 EUR : I tend to agree with Jacques: OFBiz is a ERP framework (with loads of ecommerce capabilites, I agree, but think of all the queries 1-2 months ago on this list about configuring for manufacturing workflow etc.) I do miss more comments and advancement in

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Snow
Adrian Crum wrote: Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Jacopo, This is my understanding of the conflict in interest: 1) Ofbiz as an ecommerce focused application with ERP that is developed on top of unstable trunk and kept updated via svn and pa

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Carsten Schinzer" [snip] I would be very much in favour of a bi-annual release schedule, say a spring and an autumn release. (I think that's not a surprise to anyone). And I think that's feasible, wouldn't it? Actually OFBiz is big, and it's take time to backport to 2+ releases for each

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-13 Thread Chuck Matthews
This issue is beyond dead. Can we please move on? On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> >> On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Christopher Snow wrote: >> >>> Hi Jacopo, >>> >>> This is my understanding of the conflict in interest: >>> >>> 1) Ofbiz as an ecomm

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-22 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 13/11/2009 08:42, jonatan soto a écrit : It would be a good idea a full integration of Maven2 on Ofbiz? it is already considered/done? I think it may be helpful to control the release mechanism and also gives the ability to separate everything in modules as Harmet said. For example, Ofbiz co

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-22 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: > > > Le 13/11/2009 08:42, jonatan soto a écrit : >> It would be a good idea a full integration of Maven2 on Ofbiz? it is already >> considered/done? I think it may be helpful to control the release mechanism >> and also gives the ability t

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-22 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 22/11/2009 11:59, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: At Nereide, we are developping an add-on manager, which gives the possibility to extend OFBiz with addons. It is made to add quickly features to an OFBiz instance. The goal is also to

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-22 Thread Tim Ruppert
This seems like a great improvement Erwan - is this something that will be making it's way into OFBiz proper or something you guys are working on just in the derivative? No stress, just wondering as it seems like it has great potential. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://ww

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-23 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 23/11/2009 05:51, Tim Ruppert a écrit : This seems like a great improvement Erwan - is this something that will be making it's way into OFBiz proper or something you guys are working on just in the derivative? No stress, just wondering as it seems like it has great potential. Thanks ! We ar

Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-23 Thread Tim Ruppert
Awesome - great news Erwan and looking forward to it. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:30 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: Le 23/11/2009 05:51, Tim Ruppert a écrit : This seems like a great improvement Er

Community and Motivation (was Re: OFBiz in Canada?)

2009-11-21 Thread David E Jones
Carsten, Thank you for a well thought out email, and for the specific recommendations you included. Without those sorts of things discussion isn't really possible. That said, I think in general you confusing a centrally planned and manage organization with an all volunteer community. I'l

Release strategy and community WAS Re: OFBiz in Canada?

2009-11-12 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
Hi Carsten, On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: > Well, regarding participation, we just had an excellent Talk about > participating in open source - and guess what even more detailed: on ASF - > projects here at W-JAX 2009 in Munich. > > It was especially of interest, since it

Community, Releasing and Forking... oh my! (was Re: OFBiz in Canada?)

2009-11-21 Thread David E Jones
Anyone can certainly create a forked project at any time. Some have even done so, with varying levels of success. BTW, if you look at the actual experiences of projects that have forked from OFBiz, be careful to recognize what is marketing material intended to attract users, and what repr