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Scott
On 25/09/2009, at 7:25 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Maybe we can talk further offline. I'm thinking this mailing list
isn't too interested in much of this stuff.
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Hi David:
My goal is pretty simple: introduce the basic, end-user features and
functions of OFBiz e-commerce to new users. I picked e-commerce because:
99% of the people out there know what "e-commerce" is and there is
much interest in open source e-commerce solutions and
OFBiz e-comm
Hi David:
What I meant to say (and yes I am guilty of not proofing my email before
hitting the send button):
"OFBiz 4.x is still better than any other enterprise application
framework, e-commerce, ERP or all of the above, out there."
I didn't mean to imply that 4.x is better than 9.04. Sorry
That's an interesting way of looking at it. What is your goal with
those books, or what do you think they will cause to happen from a
"big picture" perspective? What effect do you think they will have on
OFBiz itself, especially since they document a version that is 2.5
years old?
-Davi
Hi David:
Well, I for one care or I wouldn't have spent much of my very valuable
summer writing two books about OFBiz. BTW, I intend to keep writing with
the goal of getting new users connected with OFBiz. My target audience
is new users and not necessarily project committers.
If the project
Hi Tim:
I couldn't agree with you more: "The fact this project has gotten this
far along without doing this is amazing and a testament to the tools
(and the people) that have been put in place..."
It is a testament to the David's (and his collaborator's) brilliance.
OFBiz's architecture, des
On Sep 24, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
Understood David - but where are these magical elves that come by
and test the entire system? They don't exist - that's the fact of
the matter - or we'd see more business users sitting here and
putting tests in place for the stuff that alre
I think we should 1st fix the bugs, then do other things, isn't that natural ?
That's what I'm trying to do.-
Jacques
From: "David E Jones"
It really is a bad sign. In a community driven project what this means
is that no one cares enough about it to do anything about it... and I
guess th
Understood David - but where are these magical elves that come by and
test the entire system? They don't exist - that's the fact of the
matter - or we'd see more business users sitting here and putting
tests in place for the stuff that already exists.
For my money, it goes back to putting
There are other ways to do this without requiring automated tests for
everything.
For example, if someone cares about quality or more specifically about
a particular thing working a particular way, what is stopping them
from writing and contributing an automated test for it?
In other wo
Being a test-first, test-driven community would still be the best way
to avoid that. Until we take a stance and reject everything that
doesn't do this, then I guess I'd have to agree with David that the
community must not care. The fact this project has gotten this far
along without doing
It really is a bad sign. In a community driven project what this means
is that no one cares enough about it to do anything about it... and I
guess that's sad. Too much committing without testing, or even
running, things. Too much not caring about existing functionality and
creating new th
Hi Adrian:
Thanks for your comments.
Your email exemplifies exactly what I've been trying to say: There is
way too much confusion and conflicting guidance about what a new user
should do. If I step back for a minute and put myself in an OFBiz
novice's shoes and then answer the question again..
Hi Ruth,
Actually my main argument was the help of the community. But on the other hand, it's true that you need less help with R4.0 because
it's more stable (Minerva issue aside)
Jacques
From: "Ruth Hoffman"
Hi Jacques:
I understand and respect where both of you are coming from. But I thin
Hi David:
Thanks for your comments. As usually, they are well thought out and
invaluable in helping furthering the understanding of the OFBiz project.
IMHO, project releases are a really important concern for new users. By
new users, I mean new users of the many and varied applications that
co
I agree with most of what David said.
I disagree that the trunk is more bug free than a release. There have
been many times where a trunk revision won't even compile. At least a
release has a better chance of compiling.
Not too long ago, I upgraded our production server to the trunk and I
en
I wouldn't say release4.0 or release09.04 have "been proven either
through formal release management practices or through actual
experience in the field." In fact, 4.0 was a much more arbitrary
cutoff point and not planned or acted on as much as 09.04.
You mentioned issues in 09.04, could
The received informations are all very useful.
Thanks to all
2009/9/24 Ruth Hoffman
> Hello Olindo:
> IMHO - and not to ruffle any feathers - there are a number of minor but
> very visible bugs (mostly in the presentation layer) in the 9.04 release
> that could easily discourage and frustrate a f
Hi Jacques:
I understand and respect where both of you are coming from. But I think
you need to consider that for new users (and this is only for new
users), they should be guided towards using a stable, proven release.
The 4.x release is the only release that is proven and works
out-of-the-bo
Hi Ashish:
You are correct - but it does get confusing after a while - "trunk" vs.
"releases" vs. whateverAnyhow, I meant to say: "4.x Release". And I
stand by that, especially if you want to evaluate ecommerce features.
As for reporting bugs, I beg to differ. Bug reporting is not for the
I totally agree with Ashish (not surprising) but Ruth is also right to say that we have still some bugs in R9.04, but it's improving
day after day and have a lot more features and a better architecture. For instance there is still issues with Minerva in R4. And
IMO, the main reason is you will no
-1 for starting with OFBiz 4.0 release.
Instead of this I will recommend to start with either Release branch
9.04 or trunk and report any bug found.
The main reason of my recommendation is that the beginner
document(http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/UBE) and some other document best
support to Release B
Hello Olindo:
IMHO - and not to ruffle any feathers - there are a number of minor but
very visible bugs (mostly in the presentation layer) in the 9.04 release
that could easily discourage and frustrate a first time user. I found
this out the hard way while trying to use the 9.04 release as a ba
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Main+New+Features
Jacques
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