Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-30 Thread Denis Noctor
Thanks for that. Will check it out tomorrow. All the best. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > > this test was on demo-next > ordinary "presentation" room was used > users were given only permission to use microphone > > later on all microphones were tu

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-30 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
this test was on demo-next ordinary "presentation" room was used users were given only permission to use microphone later on all microphones were turned ON and everything seems to work I have asked to re-test and try to increase the number of participants (too see how many connections we can handl

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-30 Thread Denis Noctor
Thanks Maxim... I would really love to know more about this. Is there anyone out there that can help with such a set up? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:17 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > > AFAIK there was successful test with 11 users in audio-only room > So multiple KMS servers can

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-30 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
AFAIK there was successful test with 11 users in audio-only room So multiple KMS servers can help ... On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 15:13, Denis Noctor wrote: > Hi there guys. I was wondering if any further thought or considerations > have been given to the whole numbers of user per room (vid cam / aud

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-30 Thread Denis Noctor
Hi there guys. I was wondering if any further thought or considerations have been given to the whole numbers of user per room (vid cam / audio) and number of concurrent rooms per instance / server as it is seems to be one of the biggest issue / limitations regarding the platform. Any feedback wo

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-25 Thread Denis Noctor
Will check. I know Chrome uses a lot of resources and after your message and some googling “chrome meeting uses lot of cpu” there are a lot of links over the last year reporting this... for a number of different browser based meeting platforms. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-25 Thread dww
Check the CPU and network on at least one client device On Wed, 2020-11-25 at 12:32 -0600, Denis Noctor wrote: > I didn’t as I was testing on the open meetings demo next website. > Probably in the logs if they have not been cleared. If it is possible > to view that info I could schedule and conduct

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-25 Thread Denis Noctor
I didn’t as I was testing on the open meetings demo next website. Probably in the logs if they have not been cleared. If it is possible to view that info I could schedule and conduct another test. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 25, 2020, at 11:10 AM, dww wrote: > > Denis, > > Did you check the

AW: AW: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-25 Thread Rohrbach, Gerald
Von: Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. November 2020 09:04 An: Openmeetings user-list Betreff: Re: AW: Users per room client browser scalability Just a guess: if audio and video are 2 different dreams having them on different KMS servers will reduce the number

Re: AW: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-25 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
guess > > It won´t help if one room has much users. The setup will be very complex, > error searching really difficult. > > > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Von:* Denis Noctor [mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com] > *Gesend

Re: AW: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-24 Thread dww
etup will be very > complex, error searching really difficult. > > > Gerald > > > > > > > Von: Denis Noctor [mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com] > > > Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2020 22:44 > > An: user@openmeetings.apache.org > > Betref

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-24 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
ne room has much users. The setup will be very complex, > error searching really difficult. > > > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Von:* Denis Noctor [mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com] > *Gesendet:* Montag, 23. November 2020

AW: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-24 Thread Rohrbach, Gerald
will be very complex, error searching really difficult. Gerald Von: Denis Noctor [mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2020 22:44 An: user@openmeetings.apache.org Betreff: Re: Users per room client browser scalability Thanks for that Maxim. I came across this

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread dww
It seems to me that there are 2 separate stress points. 1. Maximum number of KMS streams (this can be addressed with clustering).2. Maximum number of users with video and audio that can showing live on the client browsers (This may require addressing layout on the browsers). Also when you did your

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread Denis Noctor
Thanks for that Maxim. I came across this... https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/2.2/customize.html (scroll down to "Run three parallel Kurento media servers"). This appears to suggest that 3 KMS (audio, video and screesharing) processes on one server. Maybe this could bring us one step further? Al

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
I just have fixed "refresh" button So audio/video stream can be "refreshed" without page reload both user-list and video-pod buttons are works according to my tests On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 17:08, Peter Dähn wrote: > Hi there, > > *this might be because BBB uses 3+ KMS servers clustered* > *(I was

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread Peter Dähn
Hi there, /this might be because BBB uses 3+ KMS servers clustered/ /(I was unable to find direct link regarding it ...)/ as far as I know, they use freeswitch for audio and kms just for the video streams... BR Peter Am 23.11.20 um 10:53 schrieb Denis Noctor: > Thanks a lot Maxim. I am happy t

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread Denis Noctor
Thanks a lot Maxim. I am happy to help in anyway for future tests. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 23, 2020, at 3:43 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > > Thanks for very detailed report Denis > > couple of thoughts inline: > >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 13:59, Denis Noctor wrote: >> Hi there everyone,

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
Thanks for very detailed report Denis couple of thoughts inline: On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 13:59, Denis Noctor wrote: > Hi there everyone, > > My sincerest apologies for only getting back to you now. As I had > mentioned in my previous email that I was going through a personal issue > and it took

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread Denis Noctor
OM. >> >> I learned a lot about this technology in the last 8 months and OM has moved >> forward really. >> >> For internal use with LDAP it’s simple. >> >> >> >> This forum is really active and the installation documents are nearly &

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread seba.wag...@gmail.com
ood time for stress tests. > > > > > > Gerald. > > > > > > > > *Von:* Denis Noctor [mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com] > *Gesendet:* Montag, 23. November 2020 07:58 > *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org > *Betreff:* Re: Users per room client browser scalabi

Re: AW: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread Denis Noctor
Gerald. > > > > Von: Denis Noctor [mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2020 07:58 > An: user@openmeetings.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Users per room client browser scalability > > Hi there everyone, > > My sincerest apologies for onl

AW: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-23 Thread Rohrbach, Gerald
[mailto:denisnoc...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2020 07:58 An: user@openmeetings.apache.org Betreff: Re: Users per room client browser scalability Hi there everyone, My sincerest apologies for only getting back to you now. As I had mentioned in my previous email that I was going through a

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-21 Thread Denis Noctor
My sincerest apologies. I have had quite a few covid distractions this week... and last. But that doesn’t mean I haven’t been reviewing all the forum messages ... and direct emails (:)) that I have received over the last week or so. I am usually very quick to respond / reply... but for personal

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-20 Thread dww
Hello all, I had one other idea on how Zoom is handling this. I watched a Zoom conference where there were up to 37 participants. The participants were spread over 2 internal Zoom pages. The first page was in a 5x5 array (25) and the second was also in a 5x5 array that including the remaining 12 p

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-17 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 20:55, dww wrote: > I apologize for accidently sending this twice. > > On Tue, 2020-11-17 at 08:40 -0500, dww wrote: > > Hello Denis, > > I was looking forward to your feedback soon. > > It seems there are mainly 2 major stress points. > > One, is the stream number limit pe

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-17 Thread dww
I apologize for accidently sending this twice. On Tue, 2020-11-17 at 08:40 -0500, dww wrote: > Hello Denis, > I was looking forward to your feedback soon. > It seems there are mainly 2 major stress points. > One, is the stream number limit per kms instance of about 200. That > should allow about 10

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-17 Thread dww
Hello Denis, I was looking forward to your feedback soon. It seems there are mainly 2 major stress points. One, is the stream number limit per kms instance of about 200. That should allow about 10 or 11 users in a room with both video and microphone but this can be overcome by clustering starting w

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-16 Thread dww
Hello Denis, I was looking forward to your feedback soon. It seems there are mainly 2 major stress points. One, is the stream number limit per kms instance of about 200. That should allow about 10 or 11 users in a room with both video and microphone but this can be overcome by clustering starting w

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-13 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 at 14:24, Denis Noctor wrote: > Hi there Maxim... I did a test with 8 computers and 2 tablets last night > (spread across 2 WiFis)... please don’t delete the logs on the OM demo > server (next)... > I just backup the logs > I will come back to you all with some feedback and

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-13 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 at 05:59, dww wrote: > One possible stress test would be for someone to create a room on one of > the demo servers and send an invitation to the mailing list. for the > meeting around a certain time. Everyone could choose to start up with the > bash script with a "fake" camera

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-12 Thread Denis Noctor
Hi there Maxim... I did a test with 8 computers and 2 tablets last night (spread across 2 WiFis)... please don’t delete the logs on the OM demo server (next)... I will come back to you all with some feedback and pics later tomorrow (if that’s okay)... however, for reference... I started the proc

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-12 Thread dww
One possible stress test would be for someone to create a room on one of the demo servers and send an invitation to the mailing list. for the meeting around a certain time. Everyone could choose to start up with the bash script with a "fake" camera. There would be some challenge around coordinatin

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-11 Thread Maxim Solodovnik
Hello All, I'll try to answer in one email :) On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 at 20:32, dww wrote: > However, Denis, I think your experiment with multiple devices would be > valuable as then there is only one browser tab or window with the OM > room open as a guest on each device. Perhaps that will make a

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-11 Thread dww
However, Denis, I think your experiment with multiple devices would be valuable as then there is only one browser tab or window with the OM room open as a guest on each device. Perhaps that will make a difference. Dennis On Wed, 2020-11-11 at 08:24 -0500, dww wrote: > Thanks, Denis, > > Back on

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-11 Thread dww
Thanks, Denis, Back on Oct. 17 Maxim provided the following Bash script to be run on the machine with a client side browser for the psuedo guest users. ( Use another machine to create the room administratively and send invitations) This is a far simpler way to stress test the client side browser.

Re: Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-10 Thread Denis Noctor
Hi there everyone, this seems to be the “elephant in the room” discussion, while there has been a HUGE amount of development and progress in OM since March (thank you so much @Maxim) ... there is the whole issue of, for example, the number of users per room... which seems to be about 5-6 (and ma

Users per room client browser scalability

2020-11-09 Thread dww
Hello Maxim, A couple of weeks ago there was an email thread about the 5 total users for one room, each user with video/microphone under the Subject: "docker container clustering experiments #1". In this case it appears the bottleneck is the CPU usage on the client machine with the browser. In a