Re: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-30 Thread Ted Husted
On 7/29/07, souravm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I'm still not very sure whether the design approach of Swing/VB is a right fit for a scenario where the underlying technology is http. They are good for a thick client scenario where most of the event handlings happen in client machine

Re: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-30 Thread Hubert Rabago
Sorry, I couldn't resist. On 7/26/07, souravm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding going for JSF due to componentization, I'm again not sure what additional componentizations JSF does compared to struts. Apart from the fact that JSF does not need a layer like Action Classes, all other

Re: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-30 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Mon, July 30, 2007 9:39 am, Ted Husted wrote: On 7/29/07, souravm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I'm still not very sure whether the design approach of Swing/VB is a right fit for a scenario where the underlying technology is http. They are good for a thick client scenario where most

RE: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-30 Thread souravm
My comments embedded. Regards, Sourav -Original Message- From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:20 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ? On Mon, July

RE: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-29 Thread souravm
Hi Frank, Thanks again for the detailed response. I think I've got your points. Yes I'm aware of Swing/VB technology and that analogy helped me a lot to understand the perspective. However, I'm still not very sure whether the design approach of Swing/VB is a right fit for a scenario where

Re: [OT] Re: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-26 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Not nearly as good would be my guess :) -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author of Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology (2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1) and JavaScript, DOM

RE: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-26 Thread souravm
Hi Frank, Thanks again for sharing the anecdotes of those projects which used JSF. I fully agree with your observations/comments regarding RAD tools. I work for a software service provider organization and seen the same things happening (for the projects using RAD tools) many a times.

[OT] Re: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-26 Thread Antonio Petrelli
2007/7/26, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (this was a case of the generated code having to be mucked with to get it right, and it turned into a big, heaping plate of spaghetti in the process). I always wonder what kind of spaghetti have you got outside of Italy :-D Antonio

RE: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-26 Thread souravm
Hi Frank, Thanks a lot for your opinions/inputs. Found it very informative. For me so far I don't see any reason why people should go for JSF except for moving ahead with a standard. As such I don't even see much use of event handling at UI layer - I always like to keep UI layer simple. Now

RE: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-26 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Thu, July 26, 2007 1:23 pm, souravm wrote: For me so far I don't see any reason why people should go for JSF except for moving ahead with a standard. As such I don't even see much use of event handling at UI layer - I always like to keep UI layer simple. But remember that something can be a

Re: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-26 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
souravm wrote: Regarding going for JSF due to componentization, I'm again not sure what additional componentizations JSF does compared to struts. JSF is inherently a component-based framework, meaning you aren't really thinking in terms of pages, your thinking in terms of components of a

Re: Is Struts still a better choice over JSF as on today ?

2007-07-25 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
souravm wrote: Will you consider Struts to be a better choice today compared to JSF ? In *most* cases, for me, yes I would, but that's just my opinion, and I'm about to invalidate it at the end of this :) Especially, given the fact that JSF has better controller flexibility, event