Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Alex Kravets
Ted, Graig, So was Struts Shale made to make programmer's life easier in creating Web Applications using MVC Framework? I've read some posts/blogs where people who've used Struts and now use Tapestry say that they will never go back to Struts again. Is this what Struts Shale tries to

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Vic
I know you asked Ted/Craig but Tapestry is a Apache project, like Struts, a good framework that is View centric, home page says: Tapestry is an alternative to scripting environments such as JavaServer Pages or Velocity Accroding to latest market share reportring (by Raible) Struts is like 70%

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Alex Kravets
Well I think 70% is a little bit too much http://www.manageability.org/polls/what-is-the-best-java-web-framework Accroding to latest market share reportring (by Raible) Struts is like 70% of market share. (Having said that, I wish that people that use Struts becuase it's popular go

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Alex Kravets
This should have been a quote: Accroding to latest market share reportring (by Raible) Struts is like 70% of market share. (Having said that, I wish that people that use Struts becuase it's popular go away, one should use own judgment; if everyone used EJB, would you use that too? or would

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Vic
Alex Kravets wrote: Well I think 70% is a little bit too much http://www.manageability.org/polls/what-is-the-best-java-web-framework Yup, agree. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=98268169919293w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=97660305929382w=2 Here are some other

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Hubert Rabago
I guess it depends on which group of 700 people you ask, and also how you ask the question: http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/05/19/2004-survey.html What are you using? (the question asked by OnJava, and is what market share would be based on) is different from What is the best? (asked by

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Woodchuck
hihi all, just want to add my 2 cents i think it's simply a time issue. if i had time, naturally i'd like to evaluate all possible choices before deciding which framework to use. but given the amount of framework spin-offs we have these days, it's a luxury not many ppl will have. think about

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Alex Kravets
True. Choice is good. The whole notion of capitalism is based on this. Choice is a product of competition, and when there is competition better products come out as a result of competition between number of other products. Indeed choice is good. Woodchuck wrote: hihi all, just want to add my 2

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Ted Husted
I don't think anyone is out to prove or disprove anything. Craig saw a cool way to implement a front controller for JavaServer Faces, so he posted some proof-of-concept code. Other people starting making contributions. A community is growing up around the codebase, so we made it a subproject.

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Alex Kravets
Ted, I hope you don't think that we (well me at least) seem to be accusation in our e-mails. That is not the case. I am just sharing my thoughts on where this or that approach might lead in the future. It might sound unappreciative when guys spend thousands of hours perfecting/making better

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-02 Thread Ted Husted
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:31:28 -0500, Alex Kravets wrote:  Ted,  I hope you don't think that we (well me at least) seem to be  accusation in our e-mails. That is not the case. I am just sharing  my thoughts on where this or that approach might lead in the  future. It might sound unappreciative when

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-01 Thread Ted Husted
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:03:09 -0500, Alex Kravets wrote:  So what do you guys think?  http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=31509 An important clarification we'll make to the FAQ is that by doing our job right we mean not break backward compatibility in the ongoing 1.x series.

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-01 Thread Dakota Jack
snip On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:50:13 -0500, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile, another potentially great framework has come along: Shale. Like Struts, Shale is MVC web framework, but it doesn't share any code or architectural hallmarks with Struts 1.x. /ship As Rod Johnson (the

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-01 Thread Vic
Got it! Don't worry, we learn quickly. .V Dakota Jack wrote: snip Please don't respond to this email .. -- Forums, Boards, Blogs and News in RiA http://www.boardVU.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-01 Thread dhay
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Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-01 Thread Vic
It says bellow that ... DHay at LexMark has signature of Dakota Jack if I read it right in the post. (The 2 of them care then). Also known as Michael McGrady http://theserverside.com/user/userthreads.tss?user_id=439796 on the server side as Dakota Jack. Any more ? If so, why? Ah.. you may

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-01 Thread James Mitchell
Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user@struts.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?] It says bellow that ... DHay at LexMark has signature

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-01 Thread dhay
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Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-01 Thread Ted Husted
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:04:16 -0800, Dakota Jack wrote:  Please don't respond to this email by saying that those who do can  do anything they like.  They can, of course, but that does not mean  it makes much sense except for marketing purposes for JSF.  (I  personally think that this will just

Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]

2005-02-01 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:12:49 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any comments, Craig? I know it's a bit flamy, but would be interested in your perspective. Shale actually follows Rod's advice about not mixing metaphors -- that's why it is NOT mixed in with Struts 1.x's