2005 14:28
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs
I very much like the ease of use of struts (yes it need some
improvements still) and everytime I encounter a lack of functionality
building my JSP I will have to ask myself if this is lack of
functionality or simply an attempt
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Subject: RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs
Amen, brother! Like I said when I began this thread...Struts is dead
and Java is a C# wannabie.
~mark
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From: Gregory Seidman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:17 PM
To: user@struts.apache.org
u missed the obvious innuendo and half-assed attempt at humor
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From: Larry Meadors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:32 PM
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IMO, the IDE bigots are engaged in some sort of
Amen, brother! Like I said when I began this thread...Struts is dead and Java
is a C# wannabie.
~mark
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From: Gregory Seidman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:17 PM
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs
So I hate to feed
I have never liked IDEs. I have never used an IDE that didn't get in my way
more than it helped. VS.NET is no exception. Below I'll give you some
reasons why .NET is popular that have nothing to do with the quality, or
lack thereof, of VS.NET as an IDE.
...
That said, ASP.NET beats the p
enough!
only on fridays. and if particapate!
.V
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Hi Gregory:
C# is a simple, clean yet very powerful language. I love it. I admit it is a
bit painful to do the
front develpment in J2EE. But we have JSF now which is just as good as
ASP.net's server controlls.
I believe it is better than ASP.NET 1.1. I like the idea of externalizing
something(n
So I hate to feed the trolls, but...
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 02:35:50PM -0700, Yan Hu wrote:
} Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took
} only 20% of the server side market. Now it is creeping up to 40%. .Net is
} better or faster than Java? Nah.. Some .Net zealots o
;he' often disagrees with 'me'. Code
completion is a God send, and I swear that my CTRL and space keys are
wearing out.
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From: Larry Meadors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 June 2005 22:32
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Subject: Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs
woch, 29. Juni 2005 23:48
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> > I use VS.NET - it is a turd with icing.
> This is an empty statement without any hard evidence to back it up.
>
>
> > Better than just a turd, b
woch, 29. Juni 2005 23:48
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> > I use VS.NET - it is a turd with icing.
> This is an empty statement without any hard evidence to back it up.
>
>
> > Better than just a turd, b
> I use VS.NET - it is a turd with icing.
This is an empty statement without any hard evidence to back it up.
> Better than just a turd, but still not a brownie.
The market says the turd is good... So you will have to eat it or lose 40% of
the pie and that
number is still going up. Thanks t
lysis which to choose for the future.
Regards
Leon
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Yan Hu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 23:36
> An: Struts Users Mailing List
> Betreff: RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs
>
> Look at the job market for the se
lysis which to choose for the future.
Regards
Leon
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Yan Hu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 23:36
> An: Struts Users Mailing List
> Betreff: RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs
>
> Look at the job market for the se
I use VS.NET - it is a turd with icing.
Better than just a turd, but still not a brownie.
Larry
On 6/29/05, Yan Hu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took only
> 20% of the server side
> market. Now it is creeping up to 40%. .Net is b
Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took only 20%
of the server side
market. Now it is creeping up to 40%. .Net is better or faster than Java?
Nah.. Some .Net zealots
otained some benchmarks on Tiger and .Net1.1 using linPack. Tiger outperformed
.Net. But why is
.
IMO, the IDE bigots are engaged in some sort of Freudian phallic compensation.
I am confident enough to code with vi (it is even smaller than emacs).
So...what does that say about people who use "WebSphere Application
Developer" or "Sun Java Studio Creator 2004Q2"?
Think about it...
Larry
On
I just asked one of our analysts about this and she said, "Don't be silly, it's
ALL about the TOOL!" When I asked her what she meant, exactly, she replied,
"The bigger the tool, the more room for error." "And that's a GOOD thing?" I
asked astounded. She assured me that the best programmers sh
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Monochrome 80x25 ADM31A or Hazeltine 1510 w/ 9600 baud serial link.
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Do not exagerate...
80x25 is too big a 20x4 lcd-display is big enough
also because: no modem back to acoutstic-coupler at 300 baud
are thow them back to the teletyper
Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE wrote:
How exactly do you fix a worst programmer? Take away their keyboard?
Actually, with all this auto-generation stuff, you'll have to take their
mouse too.
Monochrome 80x25 ADM31A or Hazeltine 1510 w/ 9600 baud serial link.
Dave
--
Brian Lee wrote:
I've also noticed that programmers who talk about how other
programmers are the worst, are the worst programmers. Real programmers
are too busy fixing the worst programmers to complain.
No no, we must take complain-breaks in order to keep from pulling our
own heads off.
Da
Don't forget this one:
http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html
My personal favorite: Creative Miss-spelling!
Long live VI!!!
Larry
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> I've noticed over the years that people who start IDE threads
> are unappreciated.
>
> I've also noticed that programmers who talk about how other
> programmers are the worst, are the worst programmers. Real
> programmers are too busy fixing the worst programmers to
> complain.
How exactly
I've noticed over the years that people who start IDE threads are
unappreciated.
I've also noticed that programmers who talk about how other programmers are
the worst, are the worst programmers. Real programmers are too busy fixing
the worst programmers to complain.
BAL
From: "Mark Galbrea
Yan,
Us "old" guys still know a quiche-eater like you when we see one:
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html
http://www.multicians.org/thvv/realprogs.html
If you can't debug with Lint, get the hell off the keyboard.
~mark
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