Re: [appfuse-user] J2EE fundamentals

2007-10-02 Thread meisam4910
Dear John i start with simple jsp and servlet and learn about the new things like J2EE fundamentals as well at the same time, i hope i could finish all the things that i need in a good period and hope to understand the J2EE soon. I appreciate your nice comments and advices, i am motivated now to

Re: [appfuse-user] J2EE fundamentals

2007-10-02 Thread meisam4910
I suppose I need to do a lot of things, and I must prepare myself for a long way, for sure I dun give up. :) thank you John. John Kwon wrote: > > Meisam, it's a wide world of frameworks and J2EE - don't give up. > It's going to take time - but you don't have to give up one thing for > another in

Re: [appfuse-user] J2EE fundamentals

2007-10-02 Thread John Kwon
Meisam, it's a wide world of frameworks and J2EE - don't give up. It's going to take time - but you don't have to give up one thing for another in terms of studying. Read up on the fundamentals - then pick up a few frameworks. Using the frameworks is instructive - and that's why tools like AppFus

Re: [appfuse-user] J2EE fundamentals

2007-10-02 Thread meisam4910
SO as a conclusion to our discussion, I would say: I start JSP and servlet first, then J2EE fundumentals, then Struts, then appfuse... is that still ambitious list ? ;-) but how about my DMS :-( can i use existing DMSes but in a way that no body understands I have used them ? (sorry to say this

Re: [appfuse-user] J2EE fundamentals

2007-10-02 Thread meisam4910
Thanks a lot for encouraging me and thank you for your nice advices. as Jhon said: >But show them a framework, and they're immediately lost. im exactly the instance of this group of people, i am lost in a big world of J2EE and its frameworks, I did take your advices and have picked up some tutor

Re: [appfuse-user] J2EE fundamentals

2007-10-01 Thread John Coleman
Meisam, Let me second what Nathan said - you are in the right place! Don't feel bad at all about asking questions - if no one did that we'd still be working in a cgi-lib directory writing perl scripts or compiling C code. I *really* meant it when I said "don't give up!" A Java web app c