Nacho
How about putting to togetehr a brief guide for developing
components under Avalon and posting it to the Wiki; best
practice develops when people can clearly see alternative and
better ways of doing things!
Thanks
Derek
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beyaNet Consultancy wrote:
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Subject: Re: JXT or XSP?
Hi everyone,
sorry for my irreverent newbie questions.
I'll hopefully be forgiven by the no question is a stupid question
defense.
Doesn't the user often determine whether business objects are
instantiated or not?
Cannot flowscript be my interface between the user and my
and a different approach.
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From: John Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: JXT or XSP?
Hi everyone,
sorry for my irreverent newbie questions.
I'll hopefully be forgiven by the no question is a stupid question
defense
possible to reach consensus on this issue...
Thanks.
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From: Ralph Goers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 3, 2004 15:38
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: JXT or XSP?
John,
I started to write a really long response but though better of it. The
bottom
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: JXT or XSP?
Hi everyone,
sorry for my irreverent newbie questions.
I'll hopefully be forgiven by the no question is a stupid question
defense.
Doesn't the user often determine whether business objects are
instantiated or not?
Cannot flowscript be my interface
Ralph Goers wrote:
I started to write a really long response but though better of it. The
bottom line here, is that what you are doing is not wrong. It is probably
exactly how I would implement your site. However, pardon me for saying so,
your site is fairly simple. As the system grows larger
Ugo Cei wrote:
snip/
Ralph,
while yours is certainly a well though-out rationale, I tend to agree
more with Reinhard's arguments, so I won't repeat them here.
I just wanted to add my 0.02.
It's worth a lot more to me:)
It's undoubtedly true that you can abuse flowscript and implement too
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Asunto: Re: JXT or XSP?
Ralph Goers wrote:
I started to write a really long response but though better of it. The
bottom line here, is that what you are doing is not wrong. It is probably
exactly how I would implement your site. However, pardon me for saying so,
your site is fairly simple
beyaNet Consultancy wrote:
Hi,
as I started this whole kettle of fish discussion, I fully support and
use the sitemap, flowscript, jxt combination. in my opinion trying to
use the sitemap to determine the flow of a site can become too
complicated produce and maintain in a very short time! And
Nacho Jimenez wrote:
Our policy is that putting business logic in the flowscript is to be
considered OK in a prototyping stage. Once the prototype is tested, you
should reimplement it in a Java method or class. Of course, this takes
discipline and sometimes the move-to-Java stage can be postponed
: Saturday, 01 May 2004 18:20
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: JXT or XSP?
You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. Instantiating
the objects
might not be so bad, but the next thing you know you'll be
calling methods
on those business objects because its easy and then you'll
really
: JXT or XSP?
Il giorno 01/mag/04, alle 18:20, Ralph Goers ha scritto:
You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. Instantiating the
objects
might not be so bad, but the next thing you know you'll be calling
methods
on those business objects because its easy and then you'll really
start to
pollute
: JXT or XSP?
Hi,
why use(promote) XSP, when JXT and flowscript is a far more powerful
environment to develop in?
Peter
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a
BetwixtGenerator. This performs very well and keeps the control in
the
sitemap.
Ralph
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From: beyaNet Consultancy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: JXT or XSP?
Hi,
why use(promote) XSP, when JXT and flowscript is a far
.
Ralph
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From: Christian Rosenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 3:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: JXT or XSP?
Hello!
I think in concerns of MVC, the solution Ralph mentioned seems to be the
best. You have a clear seperation between
: Saturday, May 01, 2004 3:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: JXT or XSP?
Hello!
I think in concerns of MVC, the solution Ralph mentioned seems to be
the
best. You have a clear seperation between prsentation, controller and
business logic.
The system would look like this:
Presentation
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From: beyaNet Consultancy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:11 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: JXT or XSP?
Ralph,
is there any particular reason why you don't instantiate business
objects from within flowscript, or is purely preference that you don't?
Peter
On 1 May
Il giorno 01/mag/04, alle 18:20, Ralph Goers ha scritto:
You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. Instantiating the
objects
might not be so bad, but the next thing you know you'll be calling
methods
on those business objects because its easy and then you'll really
start to
pollute the
, May 01, 2004 10:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: JXT or XSP?
Il giorno 01/mag/04, alle 18:20, Ralph Goers ha scritto:
You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. Instantiating the
objects
might not be so bad, but the next thing you know you'll be calling
methods
on those
Hi,
why use(promote) XSP, when JXT and flowscript is a far more powerful
environment to develop in?
Peter
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if at al possible - HTML (or HTML or WML) should only appear
as a result of XSLT step
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004/04/30 01:42:41 PM
Hi,
why use(promote) XSP, when JXT and flowscript is a far more powerful
environment to develop in?
Peter
Derek,
I initially, like i'm sure everyone else, started using XSP as that
seemed to be all there was. Then I discovered JXT and flowscript! What
can I say... I changed all of my XSP over to JXT, which made the code a
lot easier and lighter. XSP seems to be very convoluted for example
Peter
Thanks; what you say makes a lot of sense.
1. It would be very helpful to have at least *something*
written down by someone who has experience in converting
from XSP to JXT [hint, hint] as a way of helping a move to
a better way of doing things.
2. There obviously needs to be a push
, 2004 4:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: JXT or XSP?
Hi,
why use(promote) XSP, when JXT and flowscript is a far more powerful
environment to develop in?
Peter
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This
performs very well and keeps the control in the sitemap.
Ralph
-Original Message-
From: beyaNet Consultancy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:43 AM
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Subject: JXT or XSP?
Hi,
why use(promote) XSP, when JXT and flowscript
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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:17 AM
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Subject: Re: JXT or XSP?
Ralph,
same goes here. Flowscript used to delegate nothing more than the flow
of pages... Hibernate used to handle persistence...
Peter
On 30 Apr 2004, at 16:05, Ralph Goers wrote
With all this talk of JXTemplate, I have become very interested in trying it
out.
I looked around, but other than the link below, I didn't see any real
example app that could help me to get going.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/userdocs/flow/jxtemplate.html
Can anyone point me out an example
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