BootBlocks.

2006-06-03 Thread Max von Seibold
Hello, Does anyone know of any documentation, or howto's on configuring bootblocks. I have two hard drives in my tower and have DragonFly on one. I want to install debian on the second. I am familiar with GRUB but cannot find anything when I google Bootblocks. Any pointers would be

Re: BootBlocks.

2006-06-03 Thread Marcin Jessa
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:00:01 +0100 Max von Seibold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Hi Max. Regarding the issues of production servers. I would like to point out that as a relative *nix newbie I chose Dragonfly because it was new. OpenBSD and NetBSD seemed daunting and FreeBSD seemed

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Bill Hacker
Danial Thom wrote: My tech tried firing up 1.4 on an opteron MB with an HT1000 chipset and, although it seems to work, the console is literally flooding with stray irq 7 messages. Freebsd at least suppressed these after a few, but when is someone actually going to FIX this in BSD? Someone told

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Vlad GALU
On 6/3/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Bill Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danial Thom wrote: My tech tried firing up 1.4 on an opteron MB with an HT1000 chipset and, although it seems to work, the console is literally flooding with stray irq 7 messages. Freebsd at

Re: BootBlocks.

2006-06-03 Thread Andreas Hauser
talon wrote @ Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:21:38 +0200: Marcin Jessa wrote: On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:00:01 +0100 Max von Seibold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is not especially glorious to install but at least such trivial things are solved by the installer since ages. Anyways the present

Re: BootBlocks.

2006-06-03 Thread talon
Andreas Hauser wrote: The thing is once you installed BSD and learned its ways it gets easy. While on the otherhand the more userfriendly Linux We are explicitely speaking of newcomers here, not of people who have taken pains of reading a several hundred pages handbook, or have previously

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Thats not really a solution as I don't want a :system thats processing 100s of interrupts per :second for no reason. I previously reported that :these were gone, but now that I put another card :in the box (a dual port intel ethernet), they're :back. : :I know I've been told that its a bios

Re: Impressions on DFly and other questions

2006-06-03 Thread Saverio Iacovelli
I suppose removing ipfw would then be a form of natural selection. I agree with this opinion 5) What are the future for the packaging management in DragonFly, or the pkgsrc in DragonFly, or the other solutions? Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale!

RE: Any serious production servers yet?

2006-06-03 Thread Matthew Dillon
I couldn't have put it better myself. Vis-a-vie network performance, my goal for DragonFly is to have 'good' performance. But I think it is a complete waste of time to try to squeeze every last erg out of the network subsystem like FreeBSD has. We aren't trying to compete

Re: BootBlocks.

2006-06-03 Thread Pieter Dumon
On 6/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't forget the BSD besides Desktop BSD don't state as goal to conquer the Desktop of peoples grandmothers. And especially DragonFly aims at Cluster and performance. I understand that. I am also extremely sceptic on the interest of

Re: BootBlocks.

2006-06-03 Thread Andreas Hauser
talon wrote @ Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:06:48 +0200: Andreas Hauser wrote: The thing is once you installed BSD and learned its ways it gets easy. While on the otherhand the more userfriendly Linux We are explicitely speaking of newcomers here, not of people who have taken pains of reading a

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Danial Thom
--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Thats not really a solution as I don't want a :system thats processing 100s of interrupts per :second for no reason. I previously reported that :these were gone, but now that I put another card :in the box (a dual port intel ethernet),

Re: BootBlocks.

2006-06-03 Thread Matthew Dillon
It's irrelevant. You can hardly expect a small project like ours to cover all the bases. Those linux installers have large groups of people DEDICATED to just working on the installer. Short of us dropping everything and putting all our resources for the next year into the

Re: BootBlocks.

2006-06-03 Thread John Von Essen
The KISS method is something rarely followed these days. One of the reasons why I liked FreeBSD's sysinstall is that it is simple, I rarely use all of its features. Just Custom - Minimal - Partition - Commit - and Reboot! The install takes about 3 minutes! I can rollout 20 FreeBSD systems in

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread John Von Essen
These comments are really unfair. You have to consider that people who work on projects like DFly or FreeBSD - they dont have access to every single motherboard every made. And the Bios quirks can be like fixing leaky pipes. You fix a leak in one spot, and it causes a new leak somewhere else.

Re: Any serious production servers yet?

2006-06-03 Thread Vlad GALU
On 6/3/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't have put it better myself. Vis-a-vie network performance, my goal for DragonFly is to have 'good' performance. But I think it is a complete waste of time to try to

bootblocks......

2006-06-03 Thread Max von Seibold
Lots to comment on here... Just for the record I really liked the installer. Just because I am a newbie does not mean that I expected or even wanted a fancy gui display. The guide I found was VERY clear about how to go about things and what (as a newcomer) I found very refreshing is that

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Ben Cadieux
O_o You guys sure waste a lot of time on trolls. Too bad Danial didn't post any official title, he's starting to remind me of the Jerry Taylor incident. It's pretty clear this guy is too ignorant to have 23 years of life experience, let alone that much time using unixes. I vote for the ban :)

Re: Impressions on DFly and other questions

2006-06-03 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
5) What are the future for the packaging management in DragonFly, or the pkgsrc in DragonFly, or the other solutions? I believe that for the near and probably long future, DragonFly will stay with pkgsrc. pkgsrc has over 20 developers who actively help support it (beyond NetBSD). It has

RealTek 3189 network card not detected (dragonfly v1.4.4)

2006-06-03 Thread rmkml
Hi, on my fresh install (sata work), I have two network card, but first is not detected, look pciconf -lv : [EMAIL PROTECTED]:3:0: class=0x02 card=0x093c1462 chip=0x813910ec rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor' device = 'RT8139 (A/B/C/8130) Fast Ethernet Adapter'

typo cvsup on cdrom README file ?

2006-06-03 Thread rmkml
Hi, on dragonfly v1.4.4 cdrom, I found README file, on this file: # get the CVS repository ... cvsup /usr/share/examples/cvsup/DragonFly-supfile but this file not found, maybe /usr/.../DragonFly-src-supfile ? Regards Rmkml

Re: Any serious production servers yet?

2006-06-03 Thread walt
James Mansion wrote: [...] Actually I work in a rather large bank and I write trading systems... The most important thing I've learned from reading this thread is that DragonFly continues to attract attention from an amazing variety of bright people all around the world. Even though I don't

Re: Reading Postscript on the Terminal

2006-06-03 Thread Sascha Wildner
John Duncan wrote: Hi there, Could some kind soul save me trying all the postscript converters in existence and recommend a nice way of reading a postscript document without Xorg installed ? I am getting into groff for printing etc. but have had to rely on old Unix books from

Re: bootblocks......

2006-06-03 Thread Scott Ullrich
Max von Seibold wrote: Lots to comment on here... Just for the record I really liked the installer. Just because I am a newbie does not mean that I expected or even wanted a fancy gui display. The guide I found was VERY clear about how to go about things and what (as a newcomer) I found

RE: Any serious production servers yet?

2006-06-03 Thread James Mansion
jemalloc scales great on SMP, see Jason's BSDCan paper. I'll search for it. I note that nedmalloc does well, there's a new ptmalloc, and the latest nedmalloc seems to be based on a new DLMalloc that I think's not public yet. And the google malloc seems to work pretty well, though I've not

Re: Any serious production servers yet?

2006-06-03 Thread Danial Thom
--- Vlad GALU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/3/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't have put it better myself. Vis-a-vie network performance, my goal for DragonFly is to have 'good' performance.

Re: Any serious production servers yet?

2006-06-03 Thread Vlad GALU
On 6/4/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vlad GALU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/3/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't have put it better myself. Vis-a-vie network performance, my goal for

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Danial Thom
Thats why you need a substantial staff to do what you're attempting to do. Whats going to happen when your customer base grows to beyond the 32 guys who think you're God? You've clearly made the problem worse, and you'll have to decide whether you want to fix it, or have people reject using your

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Dmitri Nikulin
On 6/4/06, Ben Cadieux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O_o You guys sure waste a lot of time on trolls. Too bad Danial didn't post any official title, he's starting to remind me of the Jerry Taylor incident. It's pretty clear this guy is too ignorant to have 23 years of life experience, let alone

Re: Any serious production servers yet?

2006-06-03 Thread Danial Thom
--- walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Mansion wrote: [...] Actually I work in a rather large bank and I write trading systems... The most important thing I've learned from reading this thread is that DragonFly continues to attract attention from an amazing variety of bright

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Gergo Szakal
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:50:25 +1000 Dmitri Nikulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is no point in DragonFly working to be a user-friendly desktop OS now, since such efforts often get in the way of Real Work like the heroic effort Matt has applied to the kernel architecture, and so would defeat the

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Danial Thom
Talk about wasting a lot of time! lol --- Dmitri Nikulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/4/06, Ben Cadieux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O_o You guys sure waste a lot of time on trolls. Too bad Danial didn't post any official title, he's starting to remind me of the Jerry Taylor

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Scott Ullrich
Gergo Szakal wrote: FYI, the leader of m0n0wall, talking about the feature of his OS mentioned that DragonFlyBSD is not even taken into consideration by him to base his system on, 'cause it's 'desktop oriented.' Actually that is partially untrue. Fred Wright said this... Manuel still

Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006

2006-06-03 Thread Scott Ullrich
Scott Ullrich wrote: Gergo Szakal wrote: FYI, the leader of m0n0wall, talking about the feature of his OS mentioned that DragonFlyBSD is not even taken into consideration by him to base his system on, 'cause it's 'desktop oriented.' Actually that is partially untrue. Fred Wright said

Re: typo cvsup on cdrom README file ?

2006-06-03 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Hi, :on dragonfly v1.4.4 cdrom, I found README file, :on this file: : # get the CVS repository ... : cvsup /usr/share/examples/cvsup/DragonFly-supfile :but this file not found, :maybe /usr/.../DragonFly-src-supfile ? :Regards :Rmkml You said the keyboard was locked, so I guess you can't

What is DF aimed at?

2006-06-03 Thread Gergo Szakal
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:25:37 -0400 Scott Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Ullrich wrote: Gergo Szakal wrote: FYI, the leader of m0n0wall, talking about the feature of his OS mentioned that DragonFlyBSD is not even taken into consideration by him to base his system on, 'cause it's

Re: Any serious production servers yet?

2006-06-03 Thread Jason Watson
On Jun 3, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Danial Thom wrote: Many, many large network appliances (load balancers, bandwidth managers, firewalls, security filters) are based on linux or BSD. The reason is that CISCOs and mega-gigabit routers have no extra CPU power to do things like filtering and shaping at

Re: What is DF aimed at?

2006-06-03 Thread Scott Ullrich
Gergo Szakal wrote: On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:25:37 -0400 Scott Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Ullrich wrote: Gergo Szakal wrote: FYI, the leader of m0n0wall, talking about the feature of his OS mentioned that DragonFlyBSD is not even taken into consideration by him to base his