[libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-07 Thread Carl Paulsen
Just a rant here from someone who is reasonably sophisticated at both LO/OO and MS Office. I've had to use MS Office for work lately, and I've run into a TON of frustrations. Biggest recent frustrations: 1. The auto-fill and other "aides" in MSO make it much HARDER to construct formula field

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-07 Thread anne-ology
Can you go into the properties to turn off the auto-fills? - that's always been my solution. [see further comments interspersed below] From: Carl Paulsen Date: Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:04 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes To: "users@global.libre

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-07 Thread Carl Paulsen
On 2/7/14 4:24 PM, anne-ology wrote: Can you go into the properties to turn off the auto-fills? - that's always been my solution. True enough. But my point is it's set up to work oddly. 1. The auto-fill and other "aides" in MSO make it much HARDER to construct formula fi

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-07 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 02/07/2014 02:04 PM, Carl Paulsen wrote: > Just a rant here from someone who is reasonably sophisticated at both > LO/OO and MS Office. I've had to use MS Office for work lately, and > I've run into a TON of frustrations. Biggest recent frustrations: > > 1. The auto-fill and other "aides" in

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-07 Thread null
Hello, I thought I should add to the rant: If you think Microsoft Excel not being able to import formats it exports is bad, consider Microsoft's disastrous "OpenXML" standards. Notice I said standards, not standard. .docx, .pptx, and other files with x at the end are stored in the Microso

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-07 Thread James Knott
Mark LaPierre wrote: > MS is lost in the concept of making all interfaces look the same on > Windows Phone, Surface, and desktop. MS Office 2013 totally ignores the > setting and scheme that you have on your desktop. I'm talking serious > eye strain. People have been complaining about it for mor

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-07 Thread marianne-x
On 2/7/2014 9:10 PM, Carl Paulsen wrote: The biggest problem is that if the formula doesn't meet MSO's standards, you can't leave it in place to work on later. I've had formulas which took me days to work out, and if I can't leave them in place even when faulty, then I have to re-create them e

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-07 Thread Carl Paulsen
OK, to this and other recent posts, please note that my intent wasn't to open a rant-fest. I have found myself wondering about the claims about file structure being a problem even for MSO itself. My original post was intended to provide one example of a case where Excel saved a specific file

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-07 Thread Carl Paulsen
I suppose you're right. With some work I could have found a workaround, and I appreciate your idea. My issue is much more about the way MSO is set up by default, and changes to that are not especially apparent. But your point is well taken. Carl On 2/7/14 11:26 PM, marianne-x wrote: On 2/7

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Look i'm sure we are all quite sophisticated MS Office users, as Carl probably is too. I, for one, have often taught people how to use MSO and marked exams for ECDL and other training courses. I know for certain at least 1 other here has too and i'm reasonably certain that almost everyone e

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

2014-02-08 Thread anne-ology
sounds like an easy work-around; which would also work as a bookmark to show where you left off ;-) From: marianne-x Date: Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 2/7/2014 9:10 PM, Carl Paulsen wrote