Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-18 Thread Tom Davies
From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 4:28:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 21:41 -0400, Wayne Borean wrote: In that case, you can see

[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-18 Thread plino
@Wayne I think that the BEST option would be to have 3 options available: 1) Classic menu 2) Ribbon and 3) the Future ;) (By the Future I'm referring to this topic http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Impressive-mockups-td2389105.html) The UI could be selected on first use (or later in some

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Tom Davies
really happening with MS? Regards from Tom :) From: Wayne Borean wbor...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 16 April, 2011 22:23:23 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice HI, I'm new here. Pardon me while

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
Glenn, I think he's currently second richest, I can't remember his name, but there's a guy in Mexico who owns a telecom company who is currently richer. Of course at that level, what's a billion or two? Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Glenn glenns...@gmail.com wrote: Wayne, True, I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Wayne Borean wbor...@gmail.com wrote: Glenn, I think he's currently second richest, I can't remember his name, but there's a guy in Mexico who owns a telecom company who is currently richer. Of course at that level, what's a billion or two? On this note, I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Wayne Borean wbor...@gmail.com wrote: Merge Open Office and Libre Office and you kill the competitive pressures that would drive both projects to greater and greater heights. Keep them apart, and you'll end up with projects that will quickly make Apple's IWork

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
Oracle laying off the paid developers wouldn't be good for those people. It's quite possible that we could make a push to get them hired elsewhere. I'm due to send in an article, and they allow me a hell of a lot of freedom on what I write about - can you give me a list of companies which would

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Wayne Borean wbor...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle laying off the paid developers wouldn't be good for those people. It's quite possible that we could make a push to get them hired elsewhere. I'm due to send in an article, and they allow me a hell of a lot of freedom

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Tom Davies
From: Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 17 April, 2011 18:32:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Wayne Borean wbor...@gmail.com

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
In that case, you can see where I'm leading the conversation, and why my concept of 'Free Software Darwinism' could be really important to us, and scary as hell to Microsoft. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: @Wayne Being a biologist, I find your

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread planas
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 21:41 -0400, Wayne Borean wrote: In that case, you can see where I'm leading the conversation, and why my concept of 'Free Software Darwinism' could be really important to us, and scary as hell to Microsoft. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM, plino

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting planas jsloz...@gmail.com: On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 21:41 -0400, Wayne Borean wrote: In that case, you can see where I'm leading the conversation, and why my concept of 'Free Software Darwinism' could be really important to us, and scary as hell to Microsoft. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17,

[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread NoOp
On 04/15/2011 04:21 PM, Vic Dura wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/15/oracle_letting_openoffice_go/ Oracle is turning OpenOffice into a purely community project, and no longer plans to offer a commercial version of the collaboration suite loved by many. I _think_ you are looking

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Rob Smith
Not quite so sure I would agree with that one Dave. I supported a Fortune 100 at one point, and they spent a bundle on MS Office licenses to be sure. They also paid site licenses for all their Windows servers. At the time, Server came with 5 seats. On Apr 17, 2011 10:53 PM, Dave Stevens

[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread aqualung
Very interesting. Quote from article: Although LibreOffice provided an alternative, it's sorely lacking in the kind of brand recognition held by OpenOffice, while as a fork it was within Oracle's power to accept changes in LibreOffice back in the main code base. I was under the impression that

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Tom Davies
: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice Very interesting. Quote from article: Although LibreOffice provided an alternative, it's sorely lacking in the kind of brand recognition held by OpenOffice, while as a fork it was within Oracle's power to accept changes in LibreOffice back in the main

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Tom Davies
From: aqualung xfekdcugj...@mailinator.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 16 April, 2011 7:09:22 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice Very interesting. Quote from article: Although LibreOffice provided an alternative, it's sorely

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Ryan Jendoubi
On 16/04/11 07:09, aqualung wrote: [...] It could be risky for them to reveal much while the situation is in flux. At the same time there are hundreds of thousands of users who are probably quite anxious to find out what's in the cards for their preferred office software. I thought ODF was

[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread plino
Good morning Tom ;) Although I agree with most of your arguments, Microsoft's position on Office has changed a lot lately. First it is almost impossible to buy a new Win7 machine which doesn't have some version of Office bundled. It varies from a Trial version to a Starter version and sometimes

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Brand recognition is building rapidly, more rapidly than Google grew in it's first 6months.  Recognition of the OpenOffice brand is not necessarily a bonus given that many people found it clunky and incompatible

[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread aqualung
Tom Davies wrote: snip It was a cheap way for Oracle to hurt their rival ?? Sun you (Ellison) idiot. Not Oracle, but Sun was the company that owned OpenOffice and did the work of preventing the community from developing the product. Ahem, Tom... Those were my words, so I guess it's

[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread aqualung
Ryan Jendoubi wrote: On 16/04/11 07:09, aqualung wrote: [...] It could be risky for them to reveal much while the situation is in flux. At the same time there are hundreds of thousands of users who are probably quite anxious to find out what's in the cards for their preferred office

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Tom Davies
From: aqualung xfekdcugj...@mailinator.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 16 April, 2011 10:27:36 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice Tom Davies wrote: snip It was a cheap way for Oracle to hurt their rival

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Mike.
On 4/16/2011 at 2:07 AM plino wrote: [snip] | |On a second (and probably more important) front, Microsoft silently retired |the Office Genuine Advantage check which prevented illegal copies to be |updated |http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/microsoft-quietly-shuts-down-office-genu

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Tom Davies
From: plino pedl...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 16 April, 2011 10:07:11 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice Good morning Tom ;) Although I agree with most of your arguments, Microsoft's position

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Wayne Borean
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: plino pedl...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 16 April, 2011 10:07:11 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice Good morning

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Glenn
To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sat, 16 April, 2011 10:07:11 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice Good morning Tom ;) Although I agree with most of your arguments, Microsoft's position on Office has changed a lot lately. First it is almost impossible to buy a new

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-16 Thread Wayne Borean
: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice Good morning Tom ;) Although I agree with most of your arguments, Microsoft's position on Office has changed a lot lately. First it is almost impossible to buy a new Win7 machine which doesn't have some version of Office