Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Directory hiding

2008-09-16 Thread J. Greenlees
Nick Kew wrote: On 16 Sep 2008, at 06:57, Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: That may be the case but their recommendation is still: Issue a "404 - Not Found" response status code for a forbidden resource, or remove it completely. Either they're wrong or you're misreading. But I can see what's happe

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SSl question

2008-09-30 Thread J. Greenlees
Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2008 09:04:55 pm manning allan wrote: I have apache set up on my home PC. I handle many domains, many of which are websites located on Tripod or Geocities, and I am just effectively forwarding the name to the current location. I have edited m

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SSl question

2008-09-30 Thread J. Greenlees
manning allan wrote: OK, but I want to make it so that if I input http:// into the address bar, it tells me I have to use https:// I also would like to be able to use http:// for the other domains I use. Do I have to make a fancy entry into the httpd.conf file? yup. the virtual host you wan

[us...@httpd] Virtual Host Performance Oddity

2008-12-31 Thread J. Greenlees
Running Apache 2.2.8 [ Mandriva 2008.1 default build with php5, mod_perl and mod_python over base install ] I set up 3 vhosts, using name based vhosts. all 3 work but the 3rd one has a response time of over 5 minutes. This is just loading a basic html page, so the php, perl and python support shoul

Re: [us...@httpd] Virtual Host Performance Oddity

2008-12-31 Thread J. Greenlees
André Warnier wrote: > J. Greenlees wrote: > [...] > As slightly off-topic, I would like to add a note : > > Because of the way in which VirtualHosts work, with the first-defined > VHost being the one handling all requests which somehow are "wrong", > it is often d

Re: [us...@httpd] How to change https port from 443

2008-12-31 Thread J. Greenlees
sarta53 wrote: > How do I prevent apache from binding to port 443? I want incoming port 443 > available for ssh logins and HTTPS support is not needed so only want apache > to bind to port 80 > > My /etc/apache/httpd.conf has port 80, but no mention of 443 anywhere, yet > netstat reveals it bin

Re: [us...@httpd] mod_ssl Client authentication question

2009-01-16 Thread J. Greenlees
Brian Mearns wrote: > I just want to double check some things because I implement ssl client > auth on my server, to make sure I really understand what I'm doing: > > First, if I use SSLRequire to check various fields in a client's > certificate, is it implied that the certificate has already been

Re: [us...@httpd] One host, two SSL sites

2009-01-20 Thread J. Greenlees
John Oliver wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 09:55:03PM +0100, Miguel Angel Tormo Alfaro wrote: > >> In conclusion, I would go for the virtualhost solution, too much hassle >> otherwise. >> > > OK, so... > > Since two apaches just doesn't seem to want to work, how do I go about > getting t

Re: [us...@httpd] One host, two SSL sites

2009-01-20 Thread J. Greenlees
J. Greenlees wrote: > John Oliver wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 09:55:03PM +0100, Miguel Angel Tormo Alfaro wrote: >> >> >>> In conclusion, I would go for the virtualhost solution, too much hassle >>> otherwise. >>> &

Re: [us...@httpd] Port-based vhosts

2009-03-09 Thread J. Greenlees
Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hello all, > ~snip~ > > > So in short, this does work, until I get into the murky area of > keeping the URL consistent in the browser. For example, let's take > "www.foo.com". I always want visitors to see "www.foo.com" in the > browser URL field. If I set "UseCanonica

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [module] how do I compile a module?

2007-09-18 Thread J. Greenlees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew WC Brown wrote: > I've tired to add the include directory but appears to ignore the one I gave > it: > > apple:/volumes/scratch/dump/httpd-2.2.6/modules/mappers owner$ sudo apxs -c > mod_vhost_alias.c -I/usr/local/apache2/include try: apple:/v

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [module] how do I compile a module?

2007-09-18 Thread J. Greenlees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew WC Brown wrote: > I receive the same results, also --c doesn't work, only with single hyphen > Then the include path is not right. The error messages say that the files are not where it's looking for them. Jaqui -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE---

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [module] how do I compile a module?

2007-09-18 Thread J. Greenlees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew WC Brown wrote: > As per my image: http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1457/apacheincludetu5.jpg > It shows that the files are where I specified. > Then it could be that the access permissions are not allowing the user account to read them. Jaqu

Re: [us...@httpd] About: NameVirtualHost ... has no VirtualHosts

2009-04-05 Thread J. Greenlees
Eric Covener wrote: > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Developer wrote: > >> Hello, >> I have config file like this: >> >> ... >> >>> Listen [fec0::40]:80 >>> NameVirtualHost myhost.com:80. >>> >>> ServerName myhost.com. >>> ... >>> >>> > >

Re: [us...@httpd] About: NameVirtualHost ... has no VirtualHosts

2009-04-06 Thread J. Greenlees
Krist van Besien wrote: > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 6:18 PM, J. Greenlees > wrote: > > > >> I tried specifying the name in the NameVirtualHost for 3 domains. >> [ one entry per domain, naturally. ] It was only by using the *.:80 in >> the NameVirtualHost d

Re: [us...@httpd] Much More Betterer, but not quite Perfect...

2009-04-13 Thread J. Greenlees
Brian Mearns wrote: ~snip~ > > As for your problem... A useful tool that can help diagnose the issues below is shieldsup on grc.com a port scan that tells you what ports ( if any ) are open. since it's coming from outside the isp it also finds blocked ports from them. > It's hard to say why th

Re: [us...@httpd] Unique Home Page

2009-04-21 Thread J. Greenlees
André Warnier wrote: > Dondi Williams wrote: >> I am running Apache 2.2.9 on a Windows Vista PC and have unique UIDs >> for my >> family members. I want each family member to have their own unique >> home page >> when they login to the PC. How can I enable this within Apache? I also >> have >> PHP

Re: [us...@httpd] Two virtual hosts with 2 different sets of SSL certificates

2009-04-30 Thread J. Greenlees
Nishaliny Thurairatnam wrote: > Hi, > > I've been tearing my hair out over this for quite some time now...so, > this is the scenario: > > I have 2 different virtual hosts, both with different server name's and > aliases, naturally with different sets of SSL certificates. My problem > is, no matte

Re: [us...@httpd] unsubscribe

2009-05-05 Thread J. Greenlees
Brian Mearns wrote: > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM, tdavis wrote: >> unsubscribe >> >> unsubscribe >> >> >> - >> The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. >> See http://httpd.apache.org/userslis

Re: [us...@httpd] authentication question

2009-05-12 Thread J. Greenlees
Ross Boylan wrote: > Suppose I have apache running in front of a web application and > subversion. > > I am thinking of a scenario in which the web application provides a > login page. However, the user may also browse to web pages served by > subversion. > > Is there a way that my app can have

Re: [us...@httpd] Fwd: Home Web Server

2009-05-13 Thread J. Greenlees
Justin Zhang wrote: > My apache web server is connected as the diagram through DLink router,Phone > adapter and Shaw cable modem. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voip-typical.gif > > Question, I can brower my web site by http://192.168.0.100/ within local > network. How can I browse my web

Re: [us...@httpd] Fwd: Home Web Server

2009-05-14 Thread J. Greenlees
Justin Zhang wrote: > Is my cofiguration right? > > Listen 192.168.0.100:80 > ServerName 24.78.136.243:80 > Listen *:8080 ServerName 24.78.136.243 Though the default for the ServerName directive, of not specifying or using it, works better for an apache installation with a dhcp driven ip addres

Re: [us...@httpd] DocumentRoot Directive

2009-07-14 Thread J. Greenlees
howard chen wrote: > In the document: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#documentroot > > It said > >> The DocumentRoot should be specified without a trailing slash. > > However, even I end with a trailing slash, it is ok. > Any other impact? (as the document only told you not to, w

Re: [us...@httpd] Proposal to Optionally Block DNS

2009-08-24 Thread J. Greenlees
Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote: > I propose this upgrade to Apache: > > Options +NoDNS > > Prevents Apache from initiating DNS activity for > any reason. > > I am now running my server with all DNS blocked > by iptables. Performance is thereby substantially > improved. Fortunately, I usually do

Re: [us...@httpd] Apache config assessment

2009-10-14 Thread J. Greenlees
Andre Rodrigues wrote: Hi, I´ve made an apache lab config using ssl, jkmount and other stuffs. But, I have some doubts: 1- How can I improve my config? we cannot answer that without seeing the config 2- Is there anything missing? see above 3- Can I do the same with less config lines?

Re: [us...@httpd] apache-fcgi-mono-sql arrangement stalls under load

2009-10-14 Thread J. Greenlees
Jason James wrote: Hi, I have the following arrangement: Apache 2.2.8 Fcgi 2.3.4 mono 2.4.2.3 with a mysql database (v 5.0) at the back. Does anyone have any ideas why we are experiencing this stalling with fcgi/mono please? I personally suspect that it is because the .NET framework is b

Re: [us...@httpd] Apache config assessment

2009-10-16 Thread J. Greenlees
JkMount /css/* balancer JkMount /img balancer JkMount /img/* balancer JkMount /js balancer JkMount /js/* balancer Thanks, André - Original Message

Re: [us...@httpd] Stealthing a vhost

2010-05-26 Thread J. Greenlees
Peter Horn wrote: On 06:59, Igor Cicimov wrote: > > Have you tried mod_security? It's very configurable so might suite your needs. > ~snip~ I have read the mod_security docs, and it appears that the 'drop' action is not available in my environment (Windows). ~snip~ Peter Then you may h

Re: [us...@httpd] Login too many times??

2010-06-09 Thread J. Greenlees
Tony Anecito wrote: Hi All, I noticed from behind a firewall that I have to log into each Apache virtual host. I do not seem to remember to have to do that when I had my files under 1 host. What happens is I have virtual hosts assigned to specific contexts and when I hit that page I have to l

Re: [us...@httpd] httpd.conf: Invalid argument

2010-06-20 Thread J. Greenlees
Carlos _ wrote: I am working with Apache v2.2.6 and with v2.2.12, but when i try to start Apache i receive de next error message: httpd: Could not open configuration file /usr/local/apache2.2/conf/ httpd.conf: Invalid argument, the file exists and have permissions, The SO is Linux x86_64 x86_64

Re: [us...@httpd] multiple domains served by 1 IP?

2010-07-04 Thread J. Greenlees
Eric Covener wrote: ~snip~ There's no "as well" if you have one IP. You just want name-based vhosts where apache will pick the right virtualhost based on the host requested: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html There is one as well, ssl for the virtual hosts will have to b

Re: [us...@httpd] Refresh issue displaying first page of PDF?

2010-07-12 Thread J. Greenlees
Lee Fisher wrote: Hi everyone, I am running apache HTTPD 2.2.14 on CentOS. We have recently encountered an issue displaying some pdfs served by apache. The first page will show up, but the text and content will not be visible. If I scroll to page 2, the information will be visible and then scroll

Re: [us...@httpd] Location "everything else"?

2010-07-22 Thread J. Greenlees
John Oliver wrote: I want to pass a directive to all but one or two locations. How do I do that? Like: xxx xxx YYY I suspect that if you pass the location to everything, then remove it from /1 and /2 it will work better. as in: YYY -YYY XXX -YYY XXX

Re: [us...@httpd] mod_ssl in Apache 2.2.15

2010-08-02 Thread J. Greenlees
jackie.w...@barclayscapital.com wrote: Hi, I have downloaded the source of apache 2.2.15 and compiled it with openssl. Then I downloaded mod_authz_ldap 0.29 from http://authzldap.othello.ch/ and compiled it with no issues. I did specify apr-1-config, apu-1-config, apxs and openssl when runnin

Re: [us...@httpd] mod_ssl in Apache 2.2.15

2010-08-03 Thread J. Greenlees
jackie.w...@barclayscapital.com wrote: Thanks for your reply. Yes, I have. Is there anyway I can check to see if it is correct? You can test the ssl layer, see if you can reach https without errors. the browser dialogues if a self signed cert will contain any errors if that is the source. -

Re: [us...@httpd] "Expect: 100-continue" bug in 2.2.14?

2010-08-06 Thread J. Greenlees
Eric Covener wrote: Expect: 100-continue Can you log %{Expect}i from apache and include the output in an attachment? Wondering if there's some subtle thing in the string being missed, or a failure to trim whitespace, etc. something like their app working with utf-8 and the apache proxy worki

Re: [us...@httpd] multiple authentication methods in a

2010-08-08 Thread J. Greenlees
Terry wrote: Hello, I am using auth_pam to authenticate local users to a directory as such: Options None AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all AuthType Basic AuthName "Nagios"

Re: [us...@httpd] suexec for another user

2010-08-12 Thread J. Greenlees
David Ricar wrote: Hello, ~snip~ So my concept is based on two basic users for every website - one for ftp and another for suexec run. Homedir of both is one level above any website data and it is owned by root, ftp is chrooted there. If suexec would be able to just check if code is in users

Re: [us...@httpd] how to needed for apache

2010-08-18 Thread J. Greenlees
James Godrej wrote: I am looking for some good how to's if maintained by Apache foundation. Some time ago I was told that the documents here are just technical references. Can any one tell who maintains how to's for Apache. The documentation for the HTTP server, and all other Apache Software F

Re: [us...@httpd] Conundrum

2010-08-22 Thread J. Greenlees
James Coyle wrote: Ever since I reinstalled Snow Leopard on my Mac, i've had some serious Apache issues. Judging from this diagnostic information: httpd: Syntax error on line 54 of /private/etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Cannot load /private/etc/apache2/libexec/apache2/mod_authn_file.so into server:

Re: [us...@httpd] Conundrum

2010-08-22 Thread J. Greenlees
James Coyle wrote: But as far as I know, Apache is part of the standard Snow Leopard installation so it would not need to be reinstalled right? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:15 PM, "J. Greenlees" wrote: James Coyle wrote: Ever since I reinstalled Snow Leopard on my

Re: [us...@httpd] What IP address is this log entry coming from? (Is "::" a valid IP address?)

2010-09-02 Thread J. Greenlees
Jeff Trawick wrote: ~snip~ %a is supposed to be an IP address, so what IP address is "::"? I'm only somewhat familiar with IPv6 but I've never seen "::" before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_address#Notation One or any number of consecutive groups of zero value may be replaced with two colo

Re: [us...@httpd] What IP address is this log entry coming from? (Is "::" a valid IP address?)

2010-09-02 Thread J. Greenlees
Jeff Trawick wrote: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:40 PM, J. Greenlees wrote: Jeff Trawick wrote: ~snip~ %a is supposed to be an IP address, so what IP address is "::"? I'm only somewhat familiar with IPv6 but I've never seen "::" before. http://en.wikipedia.org/w

Re: [us...@httpd] OT: Yahoo web mail

2010-09-05 Thread J. Greenlees
Doug McNutt wrote: Since January 2009 I have accumulated over 1000 messages to groups, that arrived with improper 0A (UNIX line ends without a preceding 0D) in the body of the message. In order to reply to such a message I have to remove them manually to avoid rejection by my SMTP server. It's

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: Problem with mode_expires module

2010-09-15 Thread J. Greenlees
Vijay Shanker Dubey wrote: I am very Sorry joost; I will take care of that next time alway, Regards, Vijay Shanker Dubey ~snip~ when a resource is cached for the 1 year, it should not be asked for again till the time it is not expired. Is this right? This is usually configurable in the bro

Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: Re: [us...@httpd] Redirect public server to internal server

2010-09-23 Thread J. Greenlees
augustocasagra...@gmail.com wrote: Done , but still the same. host2:~ # w3m www.example.com/share/ Index of /share Icon Name Last modified Size Description[DIR] Parent Directory - Apache/2.2.0 (Linux/SUSE) Server at www.example.com Port 8 What Eric was saying is ServerName is the domain part

Re: [us...@httpd] Untainting module for Apache

2010-09-30 Thread J. Greenlees
Nick Kew wrote: ~snip~ Either of those might find a use for it. Running it on a proxy has the advantage of being the first port of call, so long as nothing bad can come from behind the proxy. I guess that's a similar question to authentication at the proxy. The "what are you protecting again

Re: [us...@httpd] Untainting module for Apache

2010-09-30 Thread J. Greenlees
J. Greenlees wrote: Nick Kew wrote: ~snip~ Either of those might find a use for it. Running it on a proxy has the advantage of being the first port of call, so long as nothing bad can come from behind the proxy. I guess that's a similar question to authentication at the proxy. The

Re: [us...@httpd] apache server not starting - Please help decipher an additional clue!

2010-10-05 Thread J. Greenlees
David Southwell wrote: ~snip~ This makes it seem as though there is something wrong with the ssl configuration for apache22. Can anyone please point me in the right direction I have to ask, did you also rebuild mod_ssl? ] some times rebuilding the modules is forgott

Re: [us...@httpd] Options for multiple SSL domains on 1 server

2010-10-06 Thread J. Greenlees
Grant wrote: > > ... > SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/www.example1.com.crt > SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/apache2/ssl/www.example1.com.key > ... > > > > ... > SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/www.example2.com.crt > SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/apache2/ssl/www.example2.com.key > ... > no

Re: [us...@httpd] Options for multiple SSL domains on 1 server

2010-10-06 Thread J. Greenlees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/www.example1.com.crt >>> SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/apache2/ssl/www.example1.com.key >>> ... >>> >>> >>> >>> ... >>> SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/www.example2.com.crt >>> SSLCer

Re: [us...@httpd] Options for multiple SSL domains on 1 server

2010-10-06 Thread J. Greenlees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant wrote: > It was ServerName. I had ServerName defined as www.example1.com in > Gentoo's /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/default_vhost.include. I removed it > from there and added it to each of my SSL VirtualHost blocks and now > everything works. I noti

Re: [us...@httpd] Options for multiple SSL domains on 1 server

2010-10-07 Thread J. Greenlees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant wrote: >>> >> actually, it's a good item to have in the vhost, the server uses it to >> present names in the urls instead of ip addresses > > I'm surprised it's necessary since I'm not using name-based virtual > hosting. Should I have ServerNa

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: possible to add multiple locations for the document root

2010-10-26 Thread J. Greenlees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 e-letter wrote: > I deliberately changed permission just to get the service working. Of > course, security will need to be improved in future. :) > > Below is extract from the file '/etc/httpd/logs/error_log': > > [Mon Oct 25 12:35:59 2010] [notice]

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: possible to add multiple locations for the document root

2010-10-26 Thread J. Greenlees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 e-letter wrote: ~snip~ > file://localhost/var/www/phppgadmin/login.php try http://localhost/phppgadmin if it is NOT http then it will never work right. no login.php or anything, you need to just point the browser to the folder. > The browser shows

Re: [us...@httpd] Why do apache-devs not provide the x64 version of httpd binary?

2010-11-07 Thread J. Greenlees
Sharl.Jimh.Tsin wrote: > You know,run 32bit httpd on windows server 08 r2 datacenter is bad enough. > > Want the answer. All windows builds are donated, not provided by the Apache Software Foundation team developing the HTTPD project. > Best regards, > Sharl.Jimh.Tsin (From China **Obviously Ta

Re: [us...@httpd] mod_cgi: multibyte characters in REQUEST_URI can't converted to correct PATH_INFO

2010-12-01 Thread J. Greenlees
LiuYan 刘研 wrote: > Recently I setup Apache-2.2.17 on Windows Server 2003, and config viewvc in > CGI > mode, viewvc works fine except browsing repository entry which contains > Chinese > characters, it will return HTTP 404 when browsing these entryies, I asked in > viewvc-users mailing list, t

Re: [us...@httpd] Apache2 | One Virtualhost for 80 AND 443

2010-12-18 Thread J. Greenlees
Eric Covener wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:50 AM, King Holger (CI/AFP2) > wrote: >> Hi Apache2 group, >> >> is there a possibility to use JUST one VirtualHost for accessing it via HTTP >> and HTTPS. > > No. > not even if it is ipbased vhost rather than name based? ipbase vhost being the bet

Re: [users@httpd] Domain Ownership Certificate - .COM registrations

2011-02-13 Thread J. Greenlees
Jeroen Geilman wrote: ~snip~ > > If it's for encryption and validation purposes, those are never free. > > http://www.cacert.org/ also, self signed only a time cost. the lack of inclusion in the idiotic trusted ca list [ cause they issue certs for cash, not trusted is a better default ] is the

Re: [users@httpd] Newsgroup is down!!

2011-03-02 Thread J. Greenlees
DW wrote: > > > This NG seems to be down again. I posted several replies and none of > them have come thru!! > this email list has been slow today, but it's not down. - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTT

Re: [users@httpd] Problem in configuring two httpd services on one machine with two IPs

2011-03-04 Thread J. Greenlees
Nishit Shivnani wrote: > Hello Team, > > I need some help from the Apache experts. > I have a machine with Red Hat Linux OS and Apache HTTP Server 2.2.3. This > machine has another IP installed on it. > Now I need to have httpd service listening on port 80 and 443 for both the > IPs of the server.

Re: [users@httpd] How do I keep Virtural hosts from seeing the others document root?

2011-03-06 Thread J. Greenlees
Jim Walls wrote: ~snip~ > > Did I just answer the question or am I completely missing the question? > > and with no ftp server installed you can point a web bowser to ftp://xyz.com and httpd will allow ftp protocol read access. to stop that you need to do as earlier posters described. ---

Re: [users@httpd] SSLFIPS invalid, rebuild httpd and openssl compiled for FIPS

2011-03-11 Thread J. Greenlees
Keith Theman wrote: > Thank you. but can you tell me, or point me to the directions to build > the fips canister and openssl together ? >>> ./config fipscanisterbuild --prefix=/u01/openssl >>> make >>> make install fips sources and openssl sources in the same tree, with executables being ins

Re: [users@httpd] upgrade mod_ssl on Apache

2011-03-11 Thread J. Greenlees
Edwards, Denise wrote: > Hi, > > > > I'm upgrading the Apache HTTP from 2.2.10 to latest version (2.2.17). We > normally use the openSSL that comes bundled with the Apache install > package. The latest Apache comes bundled with OpenSSL v0.9.8o and I need > to upgrade it to v0.9.8p. How do you u

Re: [users@httpd] Httpd process multiplying

2011-03-21 Thread J. Greenlees
Goel, Rohit wrote: > Hi, > I am using apache 2.2.17, it was working fine but now suddenly the httpd > process keeps multiplying, any help? it does that when there is enough traffic to the site to need the extra processes. - The

Re: [users@httpd] Re: Apachie to collect URL variables

2011-03-23 Thread J. Greenlees
Igor Cicimov wrote: > Nothing wrong with the idea but can't see what does it have to do with > Apache? You need CGI script like PHP,PERL,Python etc that will store the URL > parameters in the database so this is programing task not Apache > configuration task. something like mailman [ python mail l