Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-25 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:26:49AM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: Its one thing to add tablet/phone (metro) mode - its another to make laptops (or desktops) much more difficult to use. You should stop and think about how 'ego-centric' your remarks are. We on this mailing list hardly

Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread Terry Barnaby
Anyone know why the NFS write performance with Fedora14 may be slow (without async) ? I have Gigabit networking which is all working fine and the systems in question have been running Fedora in various forms for many years. Writing a single large file across NFS is fine, about: 32MBytes/sec

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-25 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 12:12 -0700, Craig White wrote: I suspect that touch screens will become prominent for desktop use in the near future. They've always been available but very little software actually made sense of them, thus there's been nothing to drive sales (save for maybe the Wacom

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-25 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2011-09-25 at 11:13 +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote: And all these other 'changes' making laptops much more difficult to use, such as say - the 16:9 format of the screens That depends on the use of the computer. For spreadsheets, which are usually wider than taller, they can be

Re: selinux is a pain

2011-09-25 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 19:43 -0700, Craig White wrote: Your choice not to use it is of course your own but I can assure you that it is indeed possible to use it, create a reasonably effective security layer through it with a minimum level of difficulty - or at least a manageable level of

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-25 Thread Aaron Konstam
As I understand it, there seem to be 2 ways to use skype, ekiga, Bosix, etc and probably google. skype to skype, and skype to telephone. skype to skype is free of charge, that's the one I refer to. For skype to telephone you pay skype in advance by opening an account and can make calls

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-25 Thread Claude Jones
On 09/25/2011 09:20 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: That is one of the things I don't understand. Google has not asked me for money to telephone. I live in San Antonio and I called my son in Chicago. I have no account with Google and as far as I can see the call was free. Can someone explain this?

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-25 Thread Fulko Hew
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As I understand it, there seem to be 2 ways to use skype, ekiga, Bosix, etc and probably google. skype to skype,  and skype to telephone. skype to skype is free of charge, that's the one I refer to. For skype to

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-25 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: Can someone explain this? If you look at this chart, calls to US and Canada are free. You are correct if you are connecting from the US/Canada - but if you connect from elsewhere there is a charge even for calls to the

Re: Lost PSWD - How to recover

2011-09-25 Thread Zadikim Yisrael
I do apologize for not responding quickly.  Fedora Core user pswd is the problem.  They (school) needed to pass large files between admin and instructor.  When my testing was complete, and everything was working, including NX (remote desktop), I wast called to another job. I will perform the

Re: Lost PSWD - How to recover

2011-09-25 Thread g
On 09/25/2011 02:13 PM, Zadikim Yisrael wrote: I do apologize for not responding quickly. Fedora Core user pswd is the problem. They (school) needed to pass large files between admin and instructor. When my testing was complete, and everything was working, including NX (remote desktop), I

Opensource dicom viewer

2011-09-25 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Dear List, Do any of you have an opensource dicom viewer that works on F15? dicom files are customarily used to store radiographic medical images. I have been unable to compile the source code for aeskulap or kradview, and before I tried any more packages I thought I would see if any of you

Re: Opensource dicom viewer

2011-09-25 Thread antoniomontagn...@gmail.com
Gregory P. Ennis ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 25/09/2011 17:08: Dear List, Do any of you have an opensource dicom viewer that works on F15? dicom files are customarily used to store radiographic medical images. I have been unable to compile the source code for aeskulap

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/25/2011 02:13 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: I could probably produce on short notice say about 20 'users' who do not agree with you. And these masses keep the manufacturers (Dell, Lenovo, etc) in business, not us. A lot of them will have little difficulty adapting to Unity/Gnome 3 I'm

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/25/2011 05:49 AM, Tim wrote: Most screens tend to be rather poor resolution, so you have little choice but to run windows full-screen, and with biggish fonts. I've never had a problem with that, and until April, when I had cataract surgery, I was intensely nearsighted. Of course, I do

Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread JB
Terry Barnaby terry1 at beam.ltd.uk writes: ... It would be useful to publish a test for # Test4, defaults: nfs version 3 that is with sync option, so we could see if similar degradation was present with older protocol ? One other thing: it would be interesting to see the results if instead

Re: Opensource dicom viewer

2011-09-25 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Gregory P. Ennis po...@pomec.net wrote: Dear List, Do any of you have an opensource dicom viewer that works on F15?  dicom files are customarily used to store radiographic medical images. I have been unable to compile the source code for aeskulap or

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-25 Thread Tim
Tim: Most screens tend to be rather poor resolution, so you have little choice but to run windows full-screen, and with biggish fonts. Joe Zeff: I've never had a problem with that, and until April, when I had cataract surgery, I was intensely nearsighted. Of course, I do keep my monitor

Re: fans seems to work fine It's not enough that they spin...

2011-09-25 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 13:12 -0700, Linda McLeod wrote: If the tower is set near a hot air vent, the fans will pull-in heat, and heat what they're supposed to be cooling... Or, even just in a location with poor circulation... Warm air already in the room, and the computer's exhaust sucked back

Re: strange behaviour of my desktop

2011-09-25 Thread antonio montagnani
Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 22/09/2011 22:35: On 09/23/2011 03:42 AM, antonio montagnani wrote: after two hours of operation my Fedora 15 shuts down and system reboots byitself suddenly: I was thinking that it was at the end of his life, but I noticed after

Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 09/25/2011 04:39 PM, JB wrote: Terry Barnabyterry1at beam.ltd.uk writes: ... It would be useful to publish a test for # Test4, defaults: nfs version 3 that is with sync option, so we could see if similar degradation was present with older protocol ? One other thing: it would be

Re: fans seems to work fine It's not enough that they spin...

2011-09-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/25/2011 09:47 AM, Tim wrote: It needs forced cooling, yet uses a technique that is prone to failure, and requires maintenance by unskilled owners. A friend of mine suggests leaving an empty slot between each two cards whenever possible for better ventilation. -- users mailing list

Re: fans seems to work fine It's not enough that they spin...

2011-09-25 Thread Don Quixote de la Mancha
32-bit ARM or PowerPC systems don't need fans. If you want a quiet computer, buy an old PowerPC Mac used and run a PowerPC Linux distro on it. Doesn't Fedora support PowerPC? However 64-bit PowerPC requires fans that sound like jet engines. I don't think there are 64-bit ARMs yet but I

Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread Don Quixote de la Mancha
Are you using userspace NFS or the kernel NFS? The kernel NFS _should_ be faster. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote: I wonder if NFS is doing a complete sync() to disk on each file close ?? If you are using the userspace NFS, the strace command will show

Re: Opensource dicom viewer

2011-09-25 Thread fred smith
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:08:27AM -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: Dear List, Do any of you have an opensource dicom viewer that works on F15? dicom files are customarily used to store radiographic medical images. I have been unable to compile the source code for aeskulap or kradview,

Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread JB
Terry Barnaby terry1 at beam.ltd.uk writes: ... # Test1, defaults: nfs version 4, sync Server /etc/exports: /data *.kingnet(rw) Client /etc/fstab:king.kingnet:/data /data nfs defaults 0 0 dd if=/tmp/data.bin of=/data/tmp/data.bin bs=102400 32.9 MB/s dd if=/data/tmp/data.bin

Evince prining problem -

2011-09-25 Thread Bob Goodwin
Suddenly I can't print the Sunday crossword puzzles! Firefox prints the pdf files via evince and something has gone wrong there. I have two Brother laser printers, an HL-5124 and an HL-2170W, printing to either one from Evince causes the Paper light to come

Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread Don Quixote de la Mancha
Try writing to a different type of filesystem. It might be the filesystem's fault. MacTCP on the Classic Mac OS got a real bad rap because FTP writes were very slow, but it was easy to show that the problem was in the Heirarchical Filesystem. Is your destination filesystem journaled? Maybe

Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 09/25/2011 06:13 PM, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: Are you using userspace NFS or the kernel NFS? The kernel NFS _should_ be faster. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Terry Barnabyter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote: I wonder if NFS is doing a complete sync() to disk on each file close ?? If

Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 09/25/2011 06:41 PM, JB wrote: Terry Barnabyterry1at beam.ltd.uk writes: ... # Test1, defaults: nfs version 4, sync Server /etc/exports: /data *.kingnet(rw) Client /etc/fstab: king.kingnet:/data /data nfs defaults 0 0 dd if=/tmp/data.bin of=/data/tmp/data.bin bs=102400 32.9 MB/s

Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 09/25/2011 07:03 PM, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: Try writing to a different type of filesystem. It might be the filesystem's fault. MacTCP on the Classic Mac OS got a real bad rap because FTP writes were very slow, but it was easy to show that the problem was in the Heirarchical

Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance

2011-09-25 Thread JB
Terry Barnaby terry1 at beam.ltd.uk writes: ... Anyway a test with local nfs: time tar -xf /tmp/jpgraph-3.5.0b1.tar real3m27.320s ... Do it for both, NFS v3 and v4. It may provide an additional regression case. Filing BZ report will get you some answer from an NFS dev. JB --

Re: Opensource dicom viewer

2011-09-25 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Gregory P. Ennis ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 25/09/2011 17:08: Dear List, Do any of you have an opensource dicom viewer that works on F15? dicom files are customarily used to store radiographic medical images. I have been unable to compile the source code for aeskulap

Re: Evince prining problem -

2011-09-25 Thread antonio montagnani
Bob Goodwin ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 25/09/2011 19:42: Suddenly I can't print the Sunday crossword puzzles! Firefox prints the pdf files via evince and something has gone wrong there. I have two Brother laser printers, an HL-5124 and an

F15: Erased rpm database!! What now?

2011-09-25 Thread sean darcy
Doing something really silly, which erased /var/lib/rpm/. Sigh. Found http://www.sharp-tools.net/archives/000765.html which talks about recovering from an erasure by using a log file /var/lib/rpmpkgs that a cron job did on his system. Can't find any such file on my system. Any suggestions

Re: F15: Erased rpm database!! What now?

2011-09-25 Thread Clive Hills
Reinstall! or restore from backups , you *do* have backups ? Clive -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: F15: Erased rpm database!! What now?

2011-09-25 Thread g
On 09/25/2011 08:15 PM, sean darcy wrote: Doing something really silly, which erased /var/lib/rpm/. Sigh. Found http://www.sharp-tools.net/archives/000765.html which talks about recovering from an erasure by using a log file /var/lib/rpmpkgs that a cron job did on his system. Can't find any

Re: F15: Erased rpm database!! What now?

2011-09-25 Thread antonio montagnani
sean darcy ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 25/09/2011 22:15: Doing something really silly, which erased /var/lib/rpm/. Sigh. Found http://www.sharp-tools.net/archives/000765.html which talks about recovering from an erasure by using a log file /var/lib/rpmpkgs that a cron job

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-25 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2011-09-25 at 09:32 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As I understand it, there seem to be 2 ways to use skype, ekiga, Bosix, etc and probably google. skype to skype, and skype to telephone. skype to skype is

Re: F15: Erased rpm database!! What now?

2011-09-25 Thread g
On 09/25/2011 08:18 PM, Clive Hills wrote: Reinstall! ridiculous. or restore from backups , you *do* have backups ? that is a last resort. you need to run; man rpm or info rpm also. 'man --initdb' is a much easier way, and would be more accurate than backups. most _users_ who make

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-25 Thread Néstor
I use Google Voice all the time and I have use Google chat. When you make a call with Google Chat you can actually see the credit you have in Google Voice. I actually made a phone call from the Phillipines to San Diego using Google Chat and it was free. I do not know how. I do know that phone

grub-install /dev/sda problems.

2011-09-25 Thread retired
F15 Setup F15 hard drive on a different computer /dev/sda and sent hard drive to a friend to put in his computer as /dev/sdb , behind WindowsXp and went into the rescue mode to run grub-install /dev/sda , getting a error message; Does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. Drive is

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Néstor writes: « HTML content follows » I use Google Voice all the time and I have use Google chat.  When you make a call with  Google Chat you can actually see the credit you have in Google Voice.  I actually made a  phone call from the Phillipines to San Diego using Google Chat and it was

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:58, Michael Ekstrand mich...@elehack.net wrote: * Call quality - Skype's call quality is somewhat better than Google's VoIP offerings in my experience. That´s a popular myth. A SIP voip call goes computer-to-computer or device-to-device over the IP cloud. Voip

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 23:58, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: That´s a popular myth. A SIP voip call goes computer-to-computer or device-to-device over the IP cloud. Let me rephrase can go... voipstuff.net.au/IPDialling.html FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To