Re: Hello to everyone

2011-12-02 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/01/2011 06:56 PM, g wrote: seems that support.mozilla.com only has a page for firefox and solution is same for thunderbird as it is for firefox. I'm not having the slightest trouble with FireFox, and the only two extensions I have on Thunderbird are ImportExport (I only used it once, to

Re: Hello to everyone

2011-12-02 Thread Hiisi
On 2 December 2011 01:57, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: I've been on other lists where it is courtesy to say hello when joining. nothing wrong with courtesy. Damn! I forgot to introduce myself when joining a few years ago. I think it's never late to correct that mistake. Hello, list! --

Re: Gnome and Xfce don't play well together

2011-12-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On 02/12/11 03:09, David wrote: But, you don't have Gnome installed. I thought that was the point? Use Xfce and do not use Gnome. From the OP: When Gnome is configured for a user and then the user tries to use Xfce Dual booting, between both. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded

Re: Hello to everyone

2011-12-02 Thread NOSpaze
On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 09:55 -0500, LinuxIsOne wrote: Hello, I get it. Linux is one, meaning that Debian=Fedora, and we name them differently because or religious matters. Well thought and good one. That means you have a high IQ. Hello and welcome to this list! Going a little bit further, I

Re: Hello to everyone

2011-12-02 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/01/2011 10:32 PM, LinuxIsOne wrote: However, this type of mails are not common (with 'hello') but just I told that to the community, that was however, something personal I felt I should. As I think I wrote, I have no objection to that; it's a nice thing to do. It's just that the

Re: Partition Management SOLVED I Think

2011-12-02 Thread Mike Dwiggins
On 12/1/2011 7:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.12.2011 03:01, schrieb Mark Panen: On 02/12/2011 03:55, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Windows setup craps out with an error message saying the drive is corrupted. The best I can figure is that it can't for some reason overwrite Fedora. Any clues on

Re: GNOME2 support revisited

2011-12-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On 01/12/11 19:49, Bill Davidsen wrote: Now that MINT has both a GNOME2 port and ax extension (plugin, whatever) for GNOME3 to make it usable without user retraining, will these features be available in Fedora17, or has the move to kill GNOME2 become a holy war. I don't believe the Fedora

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-02 Thread John Pilkington
This looks as if it could be another instance of the problems with nvidia 290.10 Try reverting or going to the new 'long-lived' 275.36 Several examples on the atrpms-users list. HTH John P -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: GNOME2 support revisited

2011-12-02 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 02:49:30PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Now that MINT has both a GNOME2 port and ax extension (plugin, whatever) for GNOME3 to make it usable without user retraining, will these features be available in Fedora17, or has the move to kill GNOME2 become a holy war.

Re: nvidia f16 status ?

2011-12-02 Thread Rich Boyce
On 01/12/11 21:12, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: Hi! what is that compatibility status of nvidia drivers in fedora 16? Is it safe to install, update and use nvidia drivers of rpmfusion? I've been using the akmod-nvidia package from rpmfusion and it works for me. Rich -- users mailing list

Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-12-02 Thread Pedro Francisco
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: -snip Just thought I'd chime in that my laptop is still happily using iwl3945 in F16 without noticeable connection problems. (Yes, it's faster if I connect it via ethernet, but I've always expected that.) Thanks if you're

Re: Printing at 600 dpi makes everything twice as big

2011-12-02 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 10:07 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Device: uri = usb://Brother/HL-1440%20series class = direct info = Brother HL-1440 series make-and-model = Brother HL-1440 series device-id = MFG:Brother;CMD:PCL4,PJL;MDL:HL-1440 series;CLS:PRINTER;

Re: Hello to everyone

2011-12-02 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:28 AM, Hiisi wrote: Damn! I forgot to introduce myself when joining a few years ago. I think it's never late to correct that mistake. Hello, list! Hello Hiisi. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:36 AM, NOSpaze wrote: I get it. Linux is one, meaning that Debian=Fedora, Yes,

Need alternative for beesu

2011-12-02 Thread Vishnupradeep
beesu is not working in fedora 16. I need an alternative program. Any other ? Linux Blog: http://xtreme-linux.blogspot.com/ Fedora Blog: http://xtreme-fedora.blogspot.com/ My Blog: http://sharedonweb.blogspot.com/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: nvidia f16 status ?

2011-12-02 Thread Boris Glawe
Hi Adrian, there are two options: - Use Fedora's driver (is it still called nouveau?) - Use rpmfusion's package with the original nvidia driver. The first option *never* worked for me. I'm using a very old graphic adapter, though (Geforce FX5200). Fedora's driver make it to start the Gnome

Re: Re: Re: Tablet Acer Iconia W500, anyone?

2011-12-02 Thread fernando
Hi there, Given the relatively low cost of the hardware these days, it's much more realistic to simply buy both Don´t extrapolate your income levels to the rest of the world. And notice the OP was from Brazil. Hardware costs, when duties and taxes are factored, can be 2x as much, and incomes

Re: nvidia f16 status ?

2011-12-02 Thread Ian Malone
01/12/11 22:12:32, Adrian Sevcenco adrian.sevce...@cern.ch: Hi! what is that compatibility status of nvidia drivers in fedora 16? Is it safe to install, update and use nvidia drivers of rpmfusion? Thanks! On 2 December 2011 11:27, Boris Glawe pub...@boris-glawe.de wrote: Hi Adrian, there

Re: Need alternative for beesu

2011-12-02 Thread Jatin K
On Friday 02 December 2011 04:24 PM, Vishnupradeep wrote: beesu is not working in fedora 16. not working means ?? any error message .? I need an alternative program. Any other ? how about sudo ??? or simply su -l -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri RHCSA,RHCE,CCNA Registerd

Re: Need alternative for beesu

2011-12-02 Thread Ed Greshko
beesu is not working in fedora 16. I need an alternative program. Any other ? Define is not working. Works fine here on F16 i386. What are you doing? How are you doing it? What happens? -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to

Re: Re: Re: Tablet Acer Iconia W500, anyone?

2011-12-02 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 08:39, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: Until now it doesn't look like I can install Fedora and use it on a pure tablet. So I keep my current netbook, which is yet not old. What makes you conclude that it won´t work?. It seems to me you didn´t google enough:

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-02 Thread Ian Malone
access then (again as root), first line is moving the file to a backup with today's date: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup-20111202 nvidia-config-display echo blacklist nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf dracut /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r) This (in order

The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Ed Greshko
I'm a long time KDE user and survivor of the move to KDE 4. Thought some of you may be interested in the view point of Linus Hey, with gnome-tweak-tool and the dock extension, gnome-3.2 is starting to look almost usable. Now I just hope those things become part of the standard gnome shell

Re: F16 unusable with intel 945GME video

2011-12-02 Thread Zoltan Boszormenyi
2011-12-01 22:29 keltezéssel, Konstantin Svist írta: Samsung n130 netbook with Intel 945GME chipset. Fedora 14 worked well enough, but I decided to upgrade. Upgrade got messed up, so I reinstalled from F16 Live CD. With modeset (default), plymouth graphical works but the login screen never

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-02 Thread Lawrence Graves
) If that doesn't help or there's no net access then (again as root), first line is moving the file to a backup with today's date: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup-20111202 nvidia-config-display echo blacklist nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf dracut /boot/initramfs

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-02 Thread John Pilkington
to a backup with today's date: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup-20111202 nvidia-config-display echo blacklist nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf dracut /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r) This (in order), moves your current Xorg configuration to a backup file, uses

Re: SELinux: Proof of tty

2011-12-02 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/02/2011 01:59 AM, Jitesh Shah wrote: I would probably hack up sudo to run a shell that checks to make sure the user is local, I guess on a /dev/tty rather then on a pseudo tty. aah I see. Makes sense. Thanks! Jitesh Also I believe

Re: Re: Re: Re: Tablet Acer Iconia W500, anyone?

2011-12-02 Thread fernando
Hi, Until now it doesn't look like I can install Fedora and use it on a pure tablet. So I keep my current netbook, which is yet not old. What makes you conclude that it won´t work?. It seems to me you didn´t google enough: http://www.entirelyunlike.net/?tag=iconia-tab-w500 He´s got it

Partitioning in allocated space: How to?

2011-12-02 Thread LinuxIsOne
Hello, The computer has Ubuntu LTS installed in some of its memory, it is like: -- Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280

Re: Hello to everyone

2011-12-02 Thread g
On 12/02/2011 07:28 AM, Hiisi wrote: On 2 December 2011 01:57, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: I've been on other lists where it is courtesy to say hello when joining. nothing wrong with courtesy. Damn! I forgot to introduce myself when joining a few years ago. I think it's never late to

Re: Partitioning in allocated space: How to?

2011-12-02 Thread fedora
Apparently you have a running Linux in some of its memory, right? so, boot it, call fdisk /dev/sda and add an extended partition with the needed sub-partitions. then install Linux on those. suomi On 2011-12-02 14:01, LinuxIsOne wrote: Hello, The computer has Ubuntu LTS installed in some of

Re: Partitioning in allocated space: How to?

2011-12-02 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:16 AM, fedora fed...@ayni.com wrote: Apparently you have a running Linux in some of its memory, right? Yes. so, boot it, call fdisk /dev/sda and add an extended partition with the needed sub-partitions. then install Linux on those. Okay I try that. Thanks. --

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-02 Thread Lawrence Graves
), first line is moving the file to a backup with today's date: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup-20111202 nvidia-config-display echo blacklist nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf dracut /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r) This (in order), moves your current Xorg

Re: Re: Re: Re: Tablet Acer Iconia W500, anyone?

2011-12-02 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:36, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: I wan't clear. I expect it to work, but as as it would on any notebook / netbook. The hardware is supported, that's all. So far it looks I can use the touch screen as a pointer device adn rotate the screen. Not a big deal. That

Re: Re: Re: Re: Tablet Acer Iconia W500, anyone?

2011-12-02 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:08, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me you might want to give MeeGo a try. The WeTab tablet (from a German company, I believe) shipped with MeeGo and was an x86 system. Here, $400. But Intel not AMD based (too bad :-/) http://ho.io/wetab FC --

Re: Midnight commander: ALT+ENTER does no longer work

2011-12-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:27:05 +0100, HD (Heinz) wrote: On 01.12.2011, suvayu ali wrote: Its a faulty update. Downgrade your gtk2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-December/408842.html Thanks a lot for clarifying this! Unfortunately, a downgrade is not possible on my

Re: Partition Management

2011-12-02 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday, December 01, 2011 09:31:25 PM Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.12.2011 02:55, schrieb Mike Dwiggins: My wife's machine is a full up FC14 x86_64 and I now have the joy of trying to put windows XP on due to constraints at her work. why dual boot this days? 'Constraints at work' could

Re: Partition Management SOLVED I Think

2011-12-02 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, December 02, 2011 03:41:50 AM Mike Dwiggins wrote: Scary as it sounds [the i686 32-bit version] recognized the built-in wireless equipment and That IS compatable with her work environment. Ah, a wireless network requirement. That's another one to add to the list of things that

Re: nvidia f16 status ?

2011-12-02 Thread Adrian Sevcenco
On 12/02/11 10:57, Rich Boyce wrote: On 01/12/11 21:12, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: Hi! what is that compatibility status of nvidia drivers in fedora 16? Is it safe to install, update and use nvidia drivers of rpmfusion? I've been using the akmod-nvidia package from rpmfusion and it works for me.

Re: Gnome and Xfce don't play well together

2011-12-02 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 17:16 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:49:19 -0600 Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: This happened in F15 and I thought I was just ignorant. Now that it has happened again in F16 I realize it is a software problem. When Gnome is

Re: nvidia f16 status ?

2011-12-02 Thread Rich Boyce
On 02/12/11 16:04, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: On 12/02/11 10:57, Rich Boyce wrote: On 01/12/11 21:12, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: Hi! what is that compatibility status of nvidia drivers in fedora 16? Is it safe to install, update and use nvidia drivers of rpmfusion? I've been using the akmod-nvidia

Re: Gnome and Xfce don't play well together

2011-12-02 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 22:09 -0500, David wrote: On 12/1/2011 3:38 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 01/12/11 18:33, David wrote: snipped Make sure in Xfce: Settings Session Startup Advanced Gnome services is unchecked. Gnome services is unchecked I use the Xfce 'spin' and Gnome does

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-02 Thread Ian Malone
put a $ to indicate each one below (also it should have been nvidia-xconfig, not nvidia-display-config, again fixed this below): $ mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup-20111202 $ nvidia-xconfig $ echo blacklist nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf $ dracut /boot/initramfs

Re: Hello to everyone

2011-12-02 Thread g
On 12/02/2011 07:22 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/01/2011 06:10 PM, g wrote: if you are not on a mozilla email tsl or newsgroup, let me know and i will post for information on how to correct. are you using 'mnenhy' in firefox also? I'm not on any mozilla mailing lists --- not a problem. i

Re: Tablet Acer Iconia W500, anyone?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:12:27 -0300 Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:08, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me you might want to give MeeGo a try. The WeTab tablet (from a German company, I believe) shipped with MeeGo and was an x86 system.

Re: Partition Management

2011-12-02 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:34 AM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 12/01/2011 09:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: why dual boot this days? windows XP on due to constraints at her work sounds not like playing 3d games and all other things are running fine in a virtual machine, most time

Re: F16 unusable with intel 945GME video

2011-12-02 Thread Konstantin Svist
On 12/02/2011 04:51 AM, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote: 2011-12-01 22:29 keltezéssel, Konstantin Svist írta: Samsung n130 netbook with Intel 945GME chipset. Fedora 14 worked well enough, but I decided to upgrade. Upgrade got messed up, so I reinstalled from F16 Live CD. With modeset (default),

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-02 Thread Ian Malone
/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup-20111202 # nvidia-xconfig # echo blacklist nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf # dracut /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r) -- imalone -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https

Re: Partition Management

2011-12-02 Thread les
On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 18:55 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote: My wife's machine is a full up FC14 x86_64 and I now have the joy of trying to put windows XP on due to constraints at her work. I figured no problem, Install windows from scratch and constrain the partition size and reinstall Fedora.

Re: Midnight commander: ALT+ENTER does no longer work

2011-12-02 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 02.12.2011, Michael Schwendt wrote: Is that the full output or truncated? It's the full output. Try yum downgrade gtk2\* to cover also subpackages. I ignored the dependencies, downloaded the according .rpm and downgraded by force now... -- users mailing list

Boot Error- em1: link becomes ready

2011-12-02 Thread Swapnil Bhartiya
Hi, I am new to Fedora, been using Ubuntu for 5 years and now want to switch for good. On my desktop I am facing this issue, everything was fine after installation but after second reboot I can't boot screen is stuck at this message: em1: link becomes ready Please suggest. I am running Fedora

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

2011-12-02 Thread Lawrence Graves
the start of each line): # mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup-20111202 # nvidia-xconfig # echo blacklist nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf # dracut /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r) I am very sorry but it didn't work. I got the same read out results. I uninstall

FC16 update problems - more info

2011-12-02 Thread Elliott Chapin
I hope this helps break up my logjam. Following is amended output from yum update and yum update --skip-broken: Skipped (dependency problems): firefoxx86_64 8.0-3.fc16 updates 18 M xulrunner

Fedora 16 preupgrade problem?

2011-12-02 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
I have a test machine with Fedora 15 x86_64 and ran preupgrade and all seemed to go fine. But after reboot, it comes up with the grub menu and option to upgrade to 16, but then selecting it just results in a blinking cursor in the upper left. No messages on screen, no disk activity.

Numlock warning on password entry boxes

2011-12-02 Thread Chris Bredesen
Why does GNOME warn me that numlock is on? I get warning for capslock; you can unknowingly botch a password. But numlock? Are there keyboards for which the non-numeric keys on the d-pad can type valid characters? Seems odd but I don't want to file a bug until I understand why it is the way

Re: Numlock warning on password entry boxes

2011-12-02 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 16:02 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: On every non-laptop keyboard I've ever used, those keys are arrow keys, and the corner keys have special uses. Try turning off numlock when you're editing a document and see what they do; they're quite useful, in fact, and I prefer to work

Re: Numlock warning on password entry boxes

2011-12-02 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/02/2011 04:18 PM, Tim wrote: I've never seen the point of that. On every non-laptop keyboard that I've seen (*), those special keys actually have dedicated keys right next to the numberpad (the page up and down, print screen, etc., keys). So turning off numlock gives you a second set of

Re: FC16 update problems - more info

2011-12-02 Thread Elliott Chapin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/02/2011 06:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: remove weak supported external packages for the upgrade Specifically? and make sure that package-cleanup --problems gives no Done, already posted. warning - -- clients.teksavvy.com/~echapin

Re: Numlock warning on password entry boxes

2011-12-02 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 12/02/2011 02:18 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote: Why does GNOME warn me that numlock is on? I get warning for capslock; you can unknowingly botch a password. But numlock? Are there keyboards for which the non-numeric keys on the d-pad can type valid characters? Seems odd but I don't want

Re: FC16 update problems - more info

2011-12-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.12.2011 01:24, schrieb Elliott Chapin: On 12/02/2011 06:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: remove weak supported external packages for the upgrade Specifically? the kmod-packages and the crap listed which was built against the old ffmpeg-libraries and no update available signature.asc

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 20:38 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: I'm a long time KDE user and survivor of the move to KDE 4. Thought some of you may be interested in the view point of Linus Hey, with gnome-tweak-tool and the dock extension, gnome-3.2 is starting to look almost usable. Now I

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.12.2011 02:38, schrieb Craig White: Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert maybe some of the self called ui-experts should take a deep breath for one or two years and left the users in peace with their next big

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Scott Doty
Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Fri, Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by those who felt his dis' of Gnome 3 or apparently now his receptiveness actually matters. Yes of

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote: Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by those who felt his dis' of Gnome 3 or apparently now his receptiveness actually matters. So this is what I

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 02:50 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Three years ago over 95 percent of the devices connected to the Internet were personal computers. Three years from now that number will probably be less than 20 percent. More than 80 percent of the devices connected to the Internet

Re: FC16 update problems - more info

2011-12-02 Thread Elliott Chapin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/02/2011 08:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.12.2011 01:24, schrieb Elliott Chapin: On 12/02/2011 06:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: remove weak supported external packages for the upgrade Specifically? the kmod-packages and the crap

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote: Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by those who felt his dis' of Gnome 3 or apparently now

Re: FC16 update problems - more info

2011-12-02 Thread Elliott Chapin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/02/2011 08:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.12.2011 01:24, schrieb Elliott Chapin: On 12/02/2011 06:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: remove weak supported external packages for the upgrade Specifically? the kmod-packages and the crap

Re: FC16 update problems - more info

2011-12-02 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 22:07 -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: On 12/02/2011 08:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.12.2011 01:24, schrieb Elliott Chapin: On 12/02/2011 06:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: remove weak supported external packages for the upgrade Specifically? the

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Scott Doty
On 12/02/2011 07:10 PM, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote: Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by those who

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/03/2011 04:10 AM, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote: Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by those who

Re: FC16 update problems - more info

2011-12-02 Thread Elliott Chapin
On 12/02/2011 10:17 PM, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 22:07 -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: On 12/02/2011 08:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.12.2011 01:24, schrieb Elliott Chapin: On 12/02/2011 06:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: remove weak supported external packages for the upgrade

Re: Numlock warning on password entry boxes

2011-12-02 Thread Hiisi
On 3 December 2011 04:57, Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/02/2011 02:18 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote: Why does GNOME warn me that numlock is on?  I get warning for capslock; you can unknowingly botch a password.  But numlock?  Are there keyboards for which the non-numeric keys on the

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 19:40 -0800, Scott Doty wrote: On 12/02/2011 07:10 PM, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote: Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is a kernel developer, not a

Re: Numlock warning on password entry boxes

2011-12-02 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/03/2011 08:18 AM, Tim wrote: I've never seen the point of that. On every non-laptop keyboard that I've seen (*), those special keys actually have dedicated keys right next to the numberpad (the page up and down, print screen, etc., keys). So turning off numlock gives you a second set of

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Craig White writes: I think his opinion matters as much as anyone else (and I gather that in the eyes of Gnome developers, not so much). You know my feelings as I too am a KDE 4 survivor ;-) To make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. I think there is a core of long time Linux users who

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Scott Doty
On 12/02/2011 08:48 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: In Gnome 2 I had a usable panel widget that showed my sensors CPU temperature, a small weather widget, and a power management widget that actually showed the watt-hour capacity of my laptop battery, so I can observe it degradation, with every

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Scott Doty
On 12/02/2011 09:02 PM, Craig White wrote: - you want to pin some relevance to whatever Linux Torvalds thinks about Gnome is actually significant to this or any discussion, your whimpers are laughable. I don't recall seeing you post on this list before tonight. Are you a longtime Fedora user?

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Scott Doty
On 12/02/2011 09:02 PM, Craig White wrote: - you want to pin some relevance to whatever Linux Torvalds thinks about Gnome is actually significant to this or any discussion, your whimpers are laughable. I don't recall seeing you post on this list before tonight. Are you a longtime Fedora user?