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On 11/28/2011 04:16 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
Community:
I am trying to run gdb on a program that is crashing and I am getting
messages of:
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Missing separate debuginfos, use debug-install glibc-2.13.2.x86_64
libgcc-4.5.1.fc14.x86_64
Craig White craigwhite at azapple.com writes:
Man, you brought me back from hibernation again ...
...
Considering...
- that you can have your beloved Gnome 2 for at least another 5 years on
RHEL 6 (or various rebuilds thereof),
But you do not have a workable GNOME DE in Fedora. This
Installed Fedora 16 and after setting up account and installing needed
apps (LibreOffice etc) when rebooted I was stuck in text console whit
the screen now going beyond this message:
em1: link becomes ready
Can't use that desktop. Please suggest
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Am 03.12.2011 03:21, schrieb Christopher A. Williams:
PCs will likely never go away, but to say that they will not be greatly
impacted by the coming age of new devices is to stick your head in the
sand and pretend that the change isn't coming. And Linux does very well
in this coming wave...
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 08:12, Gregory Hosler ghos...@redhat.com wrote:
If this is your first time, perhaps don't install the debuginfo for libraries
where you think the problem isn't, and where you think you will not need to
trace into said library(s). If, during debugging, you feel that gee,
Am 03.12.2011 06:02, schrieb Craig White:
- that a significant portion of the Gnome code base had aged and needed
to be re-written was not merely 'Change for the sake of change',
good developers knowing the word refactoring
while you do refactoring the behavior MUST NOT change
bad developers
Hi Swapnil,
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 11:07, Swapnil Bhartiya
swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote:
Installed Fedora 16 and after setting up account and installing needed
apps (LibreOffice etc) when rebooted I was stuck in text console whit
the screen now going beyond this message:
em1: link
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 08:40 +, JB wrote:
Craig White craigwhite at azapple.com writes:
Man, you brought me back from hibernation again ...
was not my intention to do so... take responsibility for your own
actions rather than blame others
That user base (technical and
Repeating your question every 12 hours in a separate thread is not
going to get you any answers. Many even consider this as rude/bad
etiquette.
apologies. keep in mind.
This mailing list is a volunteer effort, if someone feels they can
help you they will get back to your thread when they
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 21:29 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
On 12/02/2011 09:02 PM, Craig White wrote:
- you want to pin some relevance to whatever Linux Torvalds thinks
about Gnome is actually significant to this or any discussion, your
whimpers are laughable. I don't recall seeing you post on
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 20:09:30 +0100, HD (Heinz) wrote:
On 02.12.2011, Michael Schwendt wrote:
Is that the full output or truncated?
It's the full output.
Try
yum downgrade gtk2\*
to cover also subpackages.
I ignored the dependencies, downloaded the according .rpm
I just did a yum update -- no errors, everything went fine, but now my /boot
looks like this:
dr-xr-xr-x. 6 root root 1024 Dec 3 12:23 ./
dr-xr-xr-x. 30 root root 4096 Dec 3 03:27 ../
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 512 Dec 26 2001 boot.0300
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 512 Mar 21
On 2 December 2011 21:08, Lawrence Graves lgrave...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/02/2011 11:18 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 02/12/11 12:04, Ian Malone wrote:
This (in order), moves your current Xorg configuration to a backup
file, uses nvidia-config-display to create a new one, tells the system
not
Can you try to boot with biosdevname=1 parameter and see if it works. If it
does not, I would like to see it reversed i.e biosdevname=0.
This is not any conclusive answer by any means, just an attempt to see
whether it does any good or bad. Also, what is the system where you are
trying to
Am Donnerstag, den 01.12.2011, 16:28 +0100 schrieb suvayu ali:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 15:51, Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote:
Does anybody know what's happened here?
Its a faulty update. Downgrade your gtk2.
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-December/408842.html
Or
On 12/03/2011 05:14 AM, Craig White wrote:
The last visit we had on this topic pretty much concluded that
Fedora's embrace of latest technologies didn't exactly mesh with your
expectations and I remarked that you should probably find a
distribution that does. Craig
Love it or leave it.
On 12/03/2011 04:30 AM, Scott van Looy wrote:
Isn't there supposed to be an initramfs for 3.1.2-1?
My system has:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15945815 Dec 1 21:24
initramfs-3.1.2-1.fc16.x86_64.img
So yes, you should have one.
Is this a bug?
Depends. If you used preupgrade to move from f15
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:26 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
On 12/03/2011 05:14 AM, Craig White wrote:
The last visit we had on this topic pretty much concluded that
Fedora's embrace of latest technologies didn't exactly mesh with your
expectations and I remarked that you should probably find
very convincing and well-grounded in facts. The *majority* of Internet
connected devices will definitely be in the smartphone and tablet
category in the next 3 years. That does not mean they will be the *only*
That's very questionable. The majority of internet connected devices
*with a user
On 01.12.2011, suvayu ali wrote:
The problem is a regression in gtk2.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649098
Downgrading to gtk2-2.24.7-2.fc16.x86_64 resolves the issue.
I can confirm the bug on my F16 systems. Downgrading gtk2 helps.
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On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 07:42, Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote:
On 01.12.2011, suvayu ali wrote:
The problem is a regression in gtk2.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649098
Downgrading to gtk2-2.24.7-2.fc16.x86_64 resolves the issue.
I can confirm the bug on my F16
Olav Vitters wrote:
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 02:49:30PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Now that MINT has both a GNOME2 port and ax extension (plugin, whatever) for
GNOME3 to make it usable without user retraining, will these features be
available in Fedora17, or has the move to kill GNOME2 become
Alan Cox wrote:
[...snip...]
that were once solely the domain of PCs. Tablets are quickly displacing
laptops in the business world. The main barrier is that they are more
I don't know where you got that from, but worldwide tablet sales hardly
back that up.
There is one point that
On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to
see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like
impudent children stammering and jumping up and down and shouting... I
want that toy.
Finally, someone
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 01:29:49PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
That's a good idea, I think it represents a minimal effort to ask, and would
be
a start. But I think the GNOME2 stack is desirable, there's a lot of stuff
depending on that mindset.
Not sure why you bring up GNOME 2 to me,
Anyone tell me what to install to get screensaver setup in gnome3?
Specifically to use slide show and my own picture folder?
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On 12/03/2011 02:20 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
bad developers are throwing all away, starting from scratch, getting
frustrated after a while because they recognize how much work would
it be to write all the existing things again
In the case of Gnome 3, I get the impression that they threw out
Sanjay Arora wrote:
Hello all
I have a question. Can a kvm virtual machine, a linux or windows guest,
generated of fedora, be transfered to a rhel machine and started? or
vice versa?
Please note, I am not talking of live migration. Just transferring files
generated on one OS running on
Craig White wrote:
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:26 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
On 12/03/2011 05:14 AM, Craig White wrote:
The last visit we had on this topic pretty much concluded that
Fedora's embrace of latest technologies didn't exactly mesh with your
expectations and I remarked
On 12/03/2011 03:13 PM, Soham Chakraborty wrote:
Can you try to boot with biosdevname=1 parameter and see if it works. If
it does not, I would like to see it reversed i.e biosdevname=0.
This is not any conclusive answer by any means, just an attempt to see
whether it does any good or bad.
On Saturday 03 December 2011 07:37:21 Scott Doty wrote:
If you want to have your ideas respected, I suggest you come up with
respectable ideas. Stop using Fedora is not one of them. Linus'
opinion doesn't matter is not one of them.
Respect on this list is obtained by providing high-quality
Craig White wrote:
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote:
Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is
a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by
those who felt his dis' of Gnome 3
On 3 Dec 2011, at 15:56, Scott Doty wrote:
On 12/03/2011 04:30 AM, Scott van Looy wrote:
Isn't there supposed to be an initramfs for 3.1.2-1?
My system has:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15945815 Dec 1 21:24
initramfs-3.1.2-1.fc16.x86_64.img
So yes, you should have one.
Is this a
On 3 December 2011 14:18, Lawrence Graves lgrave...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 December 2011 21:08, Lawrence Graves lgrave...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/02/2011 11:18 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 02/12/11 12:04, Ian Malone wrote:
Ian Malone wrote:
It's just this series of 4 commands, run as root.
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote:
Anyone tell me what to install to get screensaver setup in gnome3?
Specifically to use slide show and my own picture folder?
GNOME 3 no longer includes built-in screensaver support, but you can
still use the legendary
On 03Dec2011 19:13, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote:
| On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 07:42, Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote:
| On 01.12.2011, suvayu ali wrote:
| The problem is a regression in gtk2.
| http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649098
[...]
| Please checkout
I think the tablet is a valuable tool, but it doesn't exist in the same space
as
a PC.
Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
style software. That will change.
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On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote:
Linus is a kernel developer and not a UI developer. Thus, his opinion
does not matter.
Since Linus is not a UI developer, he is only an end user. Thus, the
opinions of end users don't matter.
I think his opinion
On 12/03/2011 01:46 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 3 December 2011 14:18, Lawrence Graveslgrave...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 December 2011 21:08, Lawrence Graveslgrave...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/02/2011 11:18 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 02/12/11 12:04, Ian Malone wrote:
Ian Malone wrote:
It's just
On 3 December 2011 13:31, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like
impudent children stammering and jumping up and down and shouting... I
want that toy.
The real flamebait here was Ed's original post in the thread about
I have done a F16 new install on an HP Pavilion g series. When I did a
first boot the system advised me it was going to switch to gnome
fallback mode. Is this something I am going to need to live with or is
their a way to retry gnome 3.2. Sure would appreciate your help.
Greg Ennis
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On 12/03/2011 02:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
style software. That will change.
Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a
spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop or laptop's
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 10:24 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
Change for the sake of being different is not progress, it's marketing.
Changing
the way things work to break the old tools so people will ue YOUR tools
instead
the 3rd party stuff is how MSFT got big, it is less
Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
style software. That will change.
Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a
spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop or laptop's
available? I know a number of
I've been playing with 3.2 a bit today an F16.
The F16 installer is a trainwreck - crashes if an old disk has a partial
raid array on it, then crashes when you try and report the crash. Try
again and it decides my install options contain a conflict, go back to
fix it and it hangs. It eats 750MB
On 12/03/2011 12:14 PM, Scott van Looy wrote:
On 3 Dec 2011, at 15:56, Scott Doty wrote:
On 12/03/2011 04:30 AM, Scott van Looy wrote:
Isn't there supposed to be an initramfs for 3.1.2-1?
My system has:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15945815 Dec 1 21:24
initramfs-3.1.2-1.fc16.x86_64.img
So
Am 03.12.2011 23:58, schrieb Alan Cox:
Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
style software. That will change.
Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a
spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop or laptop's
Hi Swapnil,
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 20:49, Swapnil Bhartiya
swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it was caused by some script from fedora utils.
This is the second time I have heard on this list fedora-utils screw
up an install. Please consider reporting this to the fedora-utils
author.
On 12/03/2011 02:31 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
However it would still be better to pursue pushing for positive change
through the bug reporting system since that is where the developers
certainly will be much more likely to read input than here?
Agreed, as well as joining the Gnome usability
On 12/04/2011 12:17 AM, suvayu ali wrote:
Hi Swapnil,
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 20:49, Swapnil Bhartiya
swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it was caused by some script from fedora utils.
This is the second time I have heard on this list fedora-utils screw
up an install. Please
On 12/03/2011 01:01 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
GNOME 3 no longer includes built-in screensaver support, but you can
still use the legendary xscreensaver software to get a slide show
screensaver.
Oh, good. I never liked the gnome screensaver and always used
xscreensaver. One of the
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 14:13 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Gnome 2 is dead save for any
reasonable efforts to fork it (which I doubt will ever occur).
Before you claim that I take that sentence out of context, it was
part
of a paragraph about
flame-bait, and was out of
Ok, for some reason (probably because I'm using an old KVM switch) my Fedora
16 system is not detecting what monitor I have and is refusing to give me a
usable resolution. I have a Dell E2210H wide-screen monitor and it's capable
of 1920x1080 resolution, but I can't get that in Fedora.
Under
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 13:48 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Alan Cox wrote:
[...snip...]
that were once solely the domain of PCs. Tablets are quickly displacing
laptops in the business world. The main barrier is that they are more
I don't know where you got that from, but worldwide
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 19:04 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Saturday 03 December 2011 07:37:21 Scott Doty wrote:
If you want to have your ideas respected, I suggest you come up with
respectable ideas. Stop using Fedora is not one of them. Linus'
opinion doesn't matter is not one of them.
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:37 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to
see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like
impudent children stammering and jumping up and down
sometimes this whole discussions feels like i am the only one who
is using development-tools, a desktop machine for virtual-machines
used as wlan access point, router, audio-server and so much other
this you can NEVER achieve on a tablet
*current* tablet. Half of that you couldn't do on a PC
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 19:21 -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
Smartphones are starting to displace even desktop computers and
do actually handle most of the basic tasks (e-mail, basic Web, etc.)
that were once solely the domain of PCs.
Though, only if you are doing *BASIC* email. Just
To some Fedora 3 is a new technology , to others it is a
$ sed -i 's|Fedora 3|Gnome 3|g' To some Fedora 3 is a new technology , to
others it is a
Right?
Fedora 3 was released long time ago, If I remember correctly Nov 2004 :)
road to
madness. But one can hardly completely blame Fedora.
Hi List
New thread-old topic, sick of the old one! Sorribouthat.
I've been watching the discussion of Linus's thoughts and Gnome 3.2 and
after all can't see what the problem may be.
Some like some not, some are devs, engineers and system ops, some not,
each to his own.
I played with, I think
I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium
and completes it's md5sum and stops.It also cannot format and erase.This
is on an FC16 i686 install.
Any ideas.
david
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On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 12:35 +1030, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 19:21 -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
Smartphones are starting to displace even desktop computers and
do actually handle most of the basic tasks (e-mail, basic Web, etc.)
that were once solely the domain of PCs.
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:17 +1100, Roger wrote:
Of some curiosity is the adjacent discussion about tablets.
It seems tablets are mainly portrait and monitors are landscape, maybe
this is why the devs put the icons down the side, gotta be some reason.
There's room for both. I couldn't do
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:19 +1000, david walcroft wrote:
I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium
and completes it's md5sum and stops.It also cannot format and erase.This
is on an FC16 i686 install.
Any ideas.
Places to check for errors...
(as root)
Of some curiosity is the adjacent discussion about tablets.
It seems tablets are mainly portrait and monitors are landscape, maybe
Most serious artists I know use a wacom tablet and with a pressure
sensitive stylus, these tablets could reasonably give you the essential
Cintiq type of
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:17 +1100, Roger wrote:
The Gnome3.2 discussion is, to me, a classic example of the reasons
for top posting if only to reduce the clutter.
How exactly does it reduce the clutter? In my experience top-posters
*never* trim the quotes, so they just grow exponentially. Just
On 12/02/2011 03:29 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
I have a test machine with Fedora 15 x86_64 and ran preupgrade
and all seemed to go fine. But after reboot, it comes up with the
grub menu and option to upgrade to 16, but then selecting it just
results in a blinking cursor in the upper left.
On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote:
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:19 +1000, david walcroft wrote:
I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium
and completes it's md5sum and stops.It also cannot format and erase.This
is on an FC16 i686 install.
Any ideas.
On 12/03/2011 10:38 PM, david walcroft wrote:
On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote:
Places to check for errors...
[...]
Craig
I have looked in 'dmesg' and '/var/log/messages',there are no error
messages.
I tried the remove and reinstall trick but nothing changed.
Thanks
On 12/04/2011 05:12 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
On 12/03/2011 10:38 PM, david walcroft wrote:
On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote:
Places to check for errors...
[...]
Craig
I have looked in 'dmesg' and '/var/log/messages',there are no error
messages.
I tried the remove
On 12/03/2011 11:17 PM, david walcroft wrote:
I have just upgraded from FC12 where it worked reasonably.
david
David:
Thanks for the info. Through this list, I learned about k3b and
installed it on F14. I haven't had any problems. I am offering this info
if there does prove to be a problem
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