question on iptables, port 631 and CUPS

2012-03-23 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Hello: I am noticing that when I install a printer on my local network, I get an entry added to iptables to the effect of: +++ -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m udp -p udp --dprot 631 -j ACCEPT +++ It actually shows up multiple times, which makes it look like each time I reinstalled the printe

Re: Voting for packages waiting on FE-NEEDSPONSOR state

2012-03-23 Thread Alek Paunov
On 20.03.2012 20:30, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:37 +0200 Alek Paunov wrote: Which is the proper way to vote and describe potential benefits of a new package, with candidate maintainer who needs sponsorship. Voting for what? For the package. As a Fedora user (not a package

extensions

2012-03-23 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, I cannot install any extensions which work. I did what it is said in https://github.com/ojo/gnome-shell-extension-cpufreq but, no extension appear in gnome-tweak-tool in fact I get: (I also tried: sed -i 's/THEME_EXT_NAME = "user-th...@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org"/THEME_EXT_NAM

Re: Help with sound on Fc16

2012-03-23 Thread stan
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:05:26 -0700 don fisher wrote: > I am trying to find documentation on the alsa/pulse audio system. My > goal is to set it up independent of gnome or KDE. This is the default configuration for Fedora out of the box. > If I run KDE the sound works. If I run twm or equivale

Help with sound on Fc16

2012-03-23 Thread don fisher
I am trying to find documentation on the alsa/pulse audio system. My goal is to set it up independent of gnome or KDE. If I run KDE the sound works. If I run twm or equivalent, it does not. Why is the sound configuration buried in the window manager? What do I have to do to implement the same

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 00:19 +1030, Tim wrote: > But much less precise. It's all very well to say "this," "that," and > "the other," need to start after "this thing," is easier to set. But > if you definitely need "this thing," followed by, "this," followed by > "that," followed by "the other," in

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

2012-03-23 Thread stan
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, stan wrote: > > I think pentium 4 is fairly old hardware. I doubt either the kernel > > developers or Fedora developers are using such hardware, and so you > > could be hitting a regression that wasn't caugh

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Chris Rouch wrote: > >> I'd agree that the systemctl syntax is clumsier. But on my machines, >> the boot time has reduced dramatically. > > I agree that boot time seems to have been reduced, > at a guess about 15% in my case. > However, I h

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.03.2012 00:32, schrieb jdow: > The drivers generally exist for MacOS and Windows. So installation is no big > sweat and avoids esoterica such as trying to figure out how to use a mother- > board raid 5 configuration under Linux. why are you doing things permanently wrong instead read manua

Re: Changing timezone configuration

2012-03-23 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 16:45 -0400, Lázaro Morales wrote: > Hello, > > How after a fresh install of Fedora (without UI) it can be changed the > timezone configuration? Is the file `/etc/adjtime` the correct? If is, > What mean each value? > > Thanks in advance, > Lázaro. > > Este mensaje de

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread jdow
On 2012/03/23 15:42, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/23/2012 03:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: the other OSs just work? who told you? My sister's computer has an nVidia card, but she uses Ubuntu, not Fedora. Every time she reboots after a kernel update, she's prompted by the Package Updater to re-install t

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread jdow
On 2012/03/23 15:30, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.03.2012 23:26, schrieb Joe Zeff: On 03/23/2012 02:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: "a lot of money" is laughable speaking about a graphics card most of us on this list are running Fedora strictly on our home machines, not in a production environmen

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread jdow
The drivers generally exist for MacOS and Windows. So installation is no big sweat and avoids esoterica such as trying to figure out how to use a mother- board raid 5 configuration under Linux. (I've done it. It took a lot of reading and a basic understanding of RAID. For Windows - it just works i

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Lawrence Graves
On 03/23/2012 05:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/23/2012 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: if people do not buy crap needing closed surce drivers they would too have no problems Unless I miss my guess, the main reason people are using older hardware is because they've been using it for years and

Re: nouveau KMS regression with kernel 3.3.0-4.fc16.x86_64

2012-03-23 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 03/23/2012 05:06 PM, jdow wrote: > Um, have you looked at what happens if you bring the mouse to the edges > of the screen? It looks like X did not recognize your screen and stuffed > your specified 1920 size screen into a 1600 or smaller size screen which > scrolls around as you move your mous

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: if people do not buy crap needing closed surce drivers they would too have no problems Unless I miss my guess, the main reason people are using older hardware is because they've been using it for years and aren't in a position to upgrade. There's

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

2012-03-23 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, jackson byers wrote: Note:" without making any additional physical media", i.e, no DVD, just the iso Note: "use your existing GRUB boot loader" It assumes that I have grub2. I don't. That is why I didn't use it. I think you are wrong here; the F16 is first to use gru

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 23:42, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 03/23/2012 03:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> the other OSs just work? >> who told you? > > My sister's computer has an nVidia card, but she uses Ubuntu, not Fedora. > Every time she reboots after a kernel > update, she's prompted by the Package Updat

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 03:42 PM, jackson byers wrote: I think you are wrong here; the F16 is first to use grub2, yes. But the f16 doc says to use your*existing* GRUB boot loader, which for your F14 is your legacy GRUB. If you upgrade to F16, you'll have grub2 installed, but you'll still be using le

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 03:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: don't get me wrong but if someones life depends on the money a working graphis card these days will cost he has enough other problems than a computer and solve them first And sometimes, keeping an older computer limping along until you have the mone

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

2012-03-23 Thread stan
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, stan wrote: > > I think pentium 4 is fairly old hardware. I doubt either the kernel > > developers or Fedora developers are using such hardware, and so you > > could be hitting a regression that wasn't caugh

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

2012-03-23 Thread jackson byers
>> Note:" without making any additional physical media", i.e, no DVD, just the >> iso >> Note: "use your existing GRUB boot loader" >It assumes that I have grub2. I don't. >That is why I didn't use it. I think you are wrong here; the F16 is first to use grub2, yes. But the f16 doc says to us

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 03:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: the other OSs just work? who told you? My sister's computer has an nVidia card, but she uses Ubuntu, not Fedora. Every time she reboots after a kernel update, she's prompted by the Package Updater to re-install the binary blob. She clicks OK, it

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 23:26, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 03/23/2012 02:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> "a lot of money" is laughable speaking about >> a graphics card > > most of us on this list are running Fedora strictly on our home machines, > not in a production environment the way you do, and that means

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 02:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: "a lot of money" is laughable speaking about a graphics card When you're barely making enough money to pay the bills and put food on the table, any money spent on a new graphics card is too much. I know; I've been there more than once over the las

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
the other OSs just work? who told you? they only do because the manufactoror put a driver CD in the package or the OS is preinstalled install windows without additional drivers on a brand new Sandy Brdige machine and i bet half of the hardware will not work - install linux and ALL hardware is wor

Re: [SOLVED FOR REAL:] Re: recover from a bad F16 install

2012-03-23 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 3/21/2012 9:59 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 3/21/2012 4:58 AM, Tim wrote: If a power supply is sagging, other things may have started working, *then* a drive may try starting up, afterwards. This changes the load on the power supply, and the output from a failing power supply may drop (vo

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

2012-03-23 Thread Michael Hennebry
I really hate it when the assumption that I am stupid gets in the way of communication. On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, jackson byers wrote: Michael, Your responses have me more and more confused as to exactly what you are trying to do: Install F16. My machine can still boot from my FC13 installation

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread jdow
When you are on social security with "unpopular" or "orphan" disabilities and a mortgage to meet even $25 is a big lump to have to pay. You're presuming too much of your peers here. Help is getting something working not telling somebody to throw it all away and start over unless that really is th

Re: nouveau KMS regression with kernel 3.3.0-4.fc16.x86_64

2012-03-23 Thread jdow
On 2012/03/23 10:08, Ian Pilcher wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806091 Anyone have any ideas what I can do to debug/correct/workaround this? Thanks! Um, have you looked at what happens if you bring the mouse to the edges of the screen? It looks like X did not recognize yo

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
who cares the leading desktop OS i PRAY it will never be, there were made way too much mistakes to satisfy user who are not willing to learn and think what they are doing if you buy hardware which is not supported by your OS who the hell is resposible for your mistakes? "a lot of money" is laugh

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread jdow
Reindl, the solution to Linux problems should not including spending a lot of money on new hardware. No wonder Linux is not the leading desktop OS. {o.o} On 2012/03/23 07:43, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves: I don't know what happened but I am now unable to

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

2012-03-23 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, stan wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:23:54 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, stan wrote: >> I have noticed that all my kernels end in .PAE . >> Could that be significant? Oops. I should have written .PAE.img Kernels don't end in .img, that's the

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 21:49, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >> most machines where systemctl is relevant do not evem have any DE >> so what. > > Presumably you are talking about Fedora, since you are contributing > to a Fedora newsgroup. > I would have thought an overwhelming majo

Re: Changing timezone configuration

2012-03-23 Thread Maciek Borzecki
try man 8 tzselect -- Maciek Borzecki 2012/3/23 Lázaro Morales : > Hello, > > How after a fresh install of Fedora (without UI) it can be changed the > timezone configuration? Is the file `/etc/adjtime` the correct? If is, What > mean each value? > > Thanks in advance, > Lázaro. > > Este mensaje

Changing timezone configuration

2012-03-23 Thread Lázaro Morales
Hello, How after a fresh install of Fedora (without UI) it can be changed the timezone configuration? Is the file `/etc/adjtime` the correct? If is, What mean each value? Thanks in advance, Lázaro. Este mensaje de correo electrónico ha sido procesado por el servidor de Frioclima -- user

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Reindl Harald wrote: > most machines where systemctl is relevant do not evem have any DE > so what. Presumably you are talking about Fedora, since you are contributing to a Fedora newsgroup. I would have thought an overwhelming majority of Fedora users are running services, and also have a DE

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

2012-03-23 Thread jackson byers
Michael, Your responses have me more and more confused as to exactly what you are trying to do: >My machine can still boot from my FC13 installation disk. >I copied FC13's vmlinuz to a hard drive and >tried again with the grub command line. >I have F14 installed, but F13 is the most recent DVD I

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:40:26 -0600 Lawrence Graves wrote: > I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers > downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem until the latest kernel was > introduced. Please advise or help. You need to ask Nvidia, it's their driver and only

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 18:36, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 23.03.2012 10:26, schrieb Timothy Murphy: >>> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service >>> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such >>> file or directory. See system logs and 's

Re: [389-users] Repair replication

2012-03-23 Thread Rich Megginson
On 03/23/2012 11:09 AM, Herb Burnswell wrote: Thanks for the reply David. >> 1. How can I find out which system(s) is/are master, consumer, hub, etc? You should be able to determine the role of the Directory Server for each system by logging into the LDAP console under "Configurat

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 18:42, schrieb Frank Murphy: > On 23/03/12 17:37, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote: >>> no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this >>> rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui. >> >> Assuming, of course, that your D

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

2012-03-23 Thread stan
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:23:54 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, stan wrote: > > > Perhaps Grub2 is using it somehow? These suggestions are longshots. > > grub2 is not installed on my machine. > If it's packaged with the install kernel, > then I would expecct them to be

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 07:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: get rid of nvidia graphics Sure; glad to, provided that you're going to buy me the new card. It's always easy, isn't it, to throw somebody else's money at a problem. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subs

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On 23/03/12 17:37, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote: no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui. Assuming, of course, that your DE has something like that. Not all Fedora users run Gnome,

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote: no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui. Assuming, of course, that your DE has something like that. Not all Fedora users run Gnome, you know. -- users mailing list u

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 23.03.2012 10:26, schrieb Timothy Murphy: >> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service >> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such >> file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service' >> for details. >> [

Re: [389-users] Repair replication

2012-03-23 Thread Herb Burnswell
Thanks for the reply David. >> 1. How can I find out which system(s) is/are master, consumer, hub, etc? You should be able to determine the role of the Directory Server for each system by logging into the LDAP console under "Configuration->Replication". The role is either "Single Mast

nouveau KMS regression with kernel 3.3.0-4.fc16.x86_64

2012-03-23 Thread Ian Pilcher
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806091 Anyone have any ideas what I can do to debug/correct/workaround this? Thanks! -- Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com "If you're going

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Lawrence Graves
On 03/23/2012 09:40 AM, John Wendel wrote: On 03/23/2012 08:31 AM, John Horne wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:47 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote: On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves: I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Lawrence Graves wrote: I agree, I believe it is time for me to scrap my Dell 9400 Inspiron with its FX2500m The FX series chips are not supported by the 295.33 driver. You have to use the legacy driver, which has not been updated for kernel 3.3 AFAIK. I'm using the 295.33 driver with my 9000

Re: Compiling wine i686 on x86_64 system

2012-03-23 Thread Fedora User
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:33:35 +0200 Pasha R wrote: > > > > Do you mind if I ask why? The 64-bit package works perfectly for > > things like TweetDeck and Picassa. > > Latest 64-bit wine packages require their 32-bit counterparts to be > installed, too. They don't take up much space; They don't c

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread John Wendel
On 03/23/2012 08:31 AM, John Horne wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:47 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote: On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves: I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers downloaded from nvidia.com.

Re: nvidia-installer

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Reed
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:24:28 -0600 Lawrence Graves wrote: > I believe there is something wrong with the nvidia-installer and I > don't know where to begin to troubleshoot this problem. Will someone > advise. There is a patch out there but I don't know how to install it > or where to install it. P

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread John Horne
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:47 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote: > > > On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves: > > > I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers > > > downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem > >

nvidia-installer

2012-03-23 Thread Lawrence Graves
I believe there is something wrong with the nvidia-installer and I don't know where to begin to troubleshoot this problem. Will someone advise. There is a patch out there but I don't know how to install it or where to install it. Please help. -- Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Ian Chapman
On 03/23/2012 01:26 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: There is way less wonky bash scripting in the new service file, because it is mostly declarations, rather than code. As an added bonus, the old postgrey init script never worked properly for me (it did not kill cleanly, no idea why), but th

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Lawrence Graves
On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves: I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help. in other words this h

Re: [389-users] Problems logging in with 389-console

2012-03-23 Thread Rich Megginson
On 03/22/2012 10:47 AM, Mike Mercier wrote: Hi, Sorry for the delay... /var/log/dirsrv/admin-serv/access 127.0.0.1 - cn=Directory Manager [22/Mar/2012:12:43:32 -0400] "GET /admin-serv/authenticate HTTP/1.0" 401 478 /var/log/dirsrv/admin-serv/error [Thu Mar 22 12:43:26 2012] [notice] caught SI

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves: > I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers > downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem > until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help. in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3 well, i g

Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

2012-03-23 Thread Lawrence Graves
I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help. -- Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraprojec

Re: Compiling wine i686 on x86_64 system

2012-03-23 Thread Pasha R
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Fedora User wrote: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:37:19 +0200 > Pasha R wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to compile latest wine rpm on my F14 64-bit system. > > Do you mind if I ask why? The 64-bit package works perfectly for things > like TweetDeck and Picassa. Latest

Re: Compiling wine i686 on x86_64 system

2012-03-23 Thread Pasha R
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Pasha R wrote: >> >> Are there any additional options I missed? > > > You need to use mock if you want to do this. > > mock -r fedora-16-i386 wine.src.rpm > > Give it a long time. You'll eventually get your RPMs out. > Thanks. That work

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 14:49, schrieb Tim: > But much less precise. It's all very well to say "this," "that," and > "the other," need to start after "this thing," is easier to set. But if > you definitely need "this thing," followed by, "this," followed by > "that," followed by "the other," in that pre

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:25 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > The init system used a series of hard-coded numbers in the init > scripts to judge which services were to be started in which sequence, > which was a horrible mess. Yet, worked well. > You had to make sure the service X's priori

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 13:58, schrieb Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak: > On 03/23/2012 08:32 AM, Craig White wrote: >>> As TM has been told elsewhere in this thread, this doesn't work for >>> openvpn, because of its need for a pointer to a specific configuration >>> file - you have to make a manual link, or use

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
On 03/23/2012 08:32 AM, Craig White wrote: As TM has been told elsewhere in this thread, this doesn't work for openvpn, because of its need for a pointer to a specific configuration file - you have to make a manual link, or use some other odd syntax. This is definitely a weird quirk that is not h

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:17 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > On 03/22/2012 04:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 03/22/2012 01:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query: > >> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak? > > >

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 10:39 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > > The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with > > grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub > > manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl > >

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
How they were started does not seem to have much to do with chkconfig. The init system used a series of hard-coded numbers in the init scripts to judge which services were to be started in which sequence, which was a horrible mess. You had to make sure the service X's priority of 37 was in b

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
On 03/22/2012 04:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/22/2012 01:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query: How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak? I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this: systemctl enable openvpn

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 11:52, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves: > On 03/23/2012 07:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> "systemctl restart httpd.service" is a joke compared with "service >> httpd restart" - a msart developer would have made .service as >> default-fallback and only "httpd.socket" as example would need ful

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/23/2012 07:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > "systemctl restart httpd.service" is a joke compared with "service > httpd restart" - a msart developer would have made .service as > default-fallback and only "httpd.socket" as example would need full > q

Re: is freedesktop.org dead? Any official desktop standard?

2012-03-23 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/22/2012 10:30 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > Bryn, thanks for info. http://www.freedesktop.org/ seems totally > inaccessible yet, what is suspicious too. I will waiting when this > site will be up. It's working fine here (I get the redirect to

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Alan Cox
> The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with > grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub > manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl > commands can be handled via 'system-config'services' Thats one of the diseases Fedora s

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/23/2012 05:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Joe Zeff wrote: > >>> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query: >>> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak? >> I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this: >> >> systemctl start openvpn.service >

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Craig White wrote: > The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with > grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub > manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl > commands can be handled via 'system-config'services' That sounds ab

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 10:26, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service > Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such > file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service' > for details. > [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo sys

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/23/2012 05:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Joe Zeff wrote: > >>> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query: >>> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak? >> I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this: >> >> systemctl start openvpn.service >

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Joe Zeff wrote: >> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query: >> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak? > > I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this: > > systemctl start openvpn.service > > will start it running and > > systemctl enabl

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 03:36, schrieb Craig White: > The move to grub2 & systemd/systemctl really has nothing to do with the > user command line interface which you should already understand since > you said you understand the motivations. right - and that is why hey need not to be hanged in the first f